Apollo2323,

True I just moved my gaming PC to Linux and wow!! Almost all of my games run on Linux. Thank you for everyone working so hard.

the1bobcat,

This is the main reason, other than gog’s lack of support, for not going full Linux.

julianh,

You can use a launcher like Heroic to play games you have on gog or epic.

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot,

Also Lutris. I haven’t actually tried Heroic so I don’t know how they compare, but Lutris is a pretty good launcher.

rikudou,
@rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

I buy mostly GOG games (like 90%) and with Heroic it’s quite easy.

newIdentity,

But it’s not as good as simply using steam

rikudou,
@rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

Nope, not yet. But it’s getting there. And at least for me it’s worth it.

avidamoeba,
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

Also thank Valve and buy a Valve game.

hperrin,

Or a Steam Deck. :)

rikudou,
@rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

Honestly, if you have the extra money, buy it. It’s just a great device.

CaptDust,

Anticheat is about to force this progress backwards years as publishers push drm

parpol,

Publishers who do this make shit games anyway. I see the publishers slowly fading while indie studios continue to shape the new standard of video games.

OswaldBuzzbald,

Are we watching a “changing of the guard” where the studios that used to bring out the hits are dying, shedding their talent and new indie projects are blooming in the fallout? I remember Bioward being a fantastic studio during the Mass Effect (and prior) years. They’re a shell of their former selves now. I see this happening with Bethesda now too, although Starfield is not that bad. It’s just nowhere near as epic and fun as Skyrim was. Then you have studios like CDPR that seemed poised to take the crown with CP2077, and although it’s a great game, they certainly fumbled hard at launch. It’s an interesting time in the game industry.

kebabslob,

Hey pro tip, if a game isn’t nearly as epic and fun as one that was released like 12 years ago, then its OK to call it a bad game. Cuz that’s certainly not good

OswaldBuzzbald,

To be honest, I think if I were to go back and try Skyrim now, I’d probably feel pretty similarly about it as to how I do about Starfield. I still enjoy gaming, but it doesn’t enthrall me quite the same as it used to. Part of adulthood I suppose.

Jimbo,
@Jimbo@yiffit.net avatar

I would say the same, but only because the standards of current Gen games has definitely gone up since then. There just weren’t games like Elden Ring and TotK around when Skyrim was released

swab148,
@swab148@startrek.website avatar

Should I give TotK another chance? I just find the building mechanic very tedious, even with Autobuild. Is the storyline really worth it? I’ve gotten as far as beating the first four temples, if that helps.

rikudou,
@rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

It’s not about the storyline at all. If you don’t enjoy the mechanics, you won’t enjoy the game. I’m in the same boat - I’d really like to like it, but I play games mainly to tell a story, BOTW and TOTK don’t deliver on that front.

swab148,
@swab148@startrek.website avatar

I liked BotW, I just can’t get into TotK. It’s like they took an okay thing, and heard all the complaints about that, then turned those into features. I wish I hadn’t downloaded it, at least if I’d gotten a physical copy I could get some money back.

kebabslob,

Try playing Yakuza

batmangrundies,

Indie Devs haven’t even begun to fully leverage all the new tools offered by recent Blender / Unreal / Godot.

And AAA studios are too big to leverage them effectively.

I think we’re going to see continuing leaps forward in workflow and tools, allowing smaller teams to make whatever they want at any scale. We’re kind of already there honestly, it just about applying it all meaningfully.

rikudou,
@rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

I still have faith in CDPR, they had one excellent game, one that they fucked up a bit and few relatively unknown but overall good games.

OswaldBuzzbald,

You know, I really do too. I actually had a lot of fun with CP2077 when it came out, but had to quit on the last 1/3 of the game because of a permanent sound glitch. I am very excited to jump back in.

Huschke,

I’ve recently picked up CP2077 again and let me tell you the experience is night and day. The gameplay is actually fun now and the story is also enjoyable since they got rid of the game breaking bugs. While the current version does not excuse the extremely subpar launch version I don’t think CD Projekt Red deserves a spot on your list.

A company that definitely fits your criteria is Blizzard. All the people I know that worked there quit and a lot of them told me about a huge brain drain that was happening which judging by what we know about the code of Diablo 4 sounds reasonable. At this point the company only exists because of nostalgia and even the gamer dads are getting more and more frustrated with them.

atmur,

Publishers who do this make shit games anyway.

As someone who really wants to see desktop Linux grow, I try not to think like this because I know others care about these games…but goddammit if I don’t completely agree with you on the inside. I do not understand the obsession with these games products, they’re exclusively designed to keep you playing and paying for as long as possible to avoid fomo for digital garbage.

There are a tiny handful of non-live service games that still use anti-cheat, and most of those have already enabled support for Proton. Dragon Ball FighterZ is literally the only exception that I can think of, and even that’s playable offline IIRC.

BURN,

There’s yet to be a good major fps game from an indie studio. Once that happens maybe there’s a chance, but fps games make up a massive portion of the industry

newIdentity,

Actually most anticheat now also supports Linux with Proton

NegativeLookBehind,
@NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social avatar

Good, ditching windows entirely is in my near future.

bruh_momento,

Finally did it a few days ago. Not only gaming (and emulation in general) is more fluid, but the sheer amount of customization available makes me never want to go back to Windows.

AlmightySnoo,

And to say that there used to be a time when “Linux gaming” was an oxymoron as it at most meant SuperTuxKart or mindlessly watching glxgears.

atmur,

Mindlessly watching glxgears is the greatest experience a GPU can render.

rikudou,
@rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

They’re so smooth when you buy a high end graphics card.

AlmightySnoo,

Windows gamers will never understand the joy that glxgears gave us

avidamoeba, (edited )
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

Been playing Warcraft 3 / DotA and Counter-Strike on Linux since 2005. Still playing Dota and Counter-Strike. Are there other games worth playing? 😂

redcalcium,

Is there something like vulkangears now?

russjr08,
@russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net avatar

vulkangears

I know that the vulcan-tools package has vkcube in it. Someone did make vulkangears as an example, along with some other examples, but I don’t think its a published package in any distro repos so it’d need to be manually compiled to run it.

Anafabula,
@Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

vkcube exists in most repositories I guess

Edit: Looks like there is a vkgears too

SoleInvictus,
@SoleInvictus@lemmy.world avatar

I remember when Linux gaming meant Nethack.

circuskid,

I mean, Nethack is still great…

cheery_coffee,

Bzflag was pretty fun too!

Twospoons,

If only Linux wouldn’t Bork my whole install when I try to switch to 144hz on my monitor.

atmur,

That’s a weird one. I’ve been running a 165hz primary monitor and a 144hz secondary for a while on AMD, Nvidia, and Intel GPUs. I’ve never had any trouble with them.

Were you using Wayland or X11?

euphoric_cat,
@euphoric_cat@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

never had any trouble either, with 240hz here

Twospoons,

Honestly don’t remember which I was running. Was a new install of testing Endevour OS with an Nvidia card. Changed the refresh rate through the display settings to 144 and it went black and never came back. Fixed it back to 60 through cli boot eventually but it never liked changing it off that.

BURN,

I can verify I’ve had this exact problem. Never found a solution. My Linux box has been changed to Manjaro so it’ll work now

kebabslob,

You’re not supposed to run “rm -rf /” to change refresh rate

hperrin,

Are you using some weird video setup? I’ve had some issues with DisplayLink but never anything worse than needing to reboot before it will work again.

rasensprenger,

Borking an entire install by pressing buttons on a monotor is pretty difficult. What exactly were you doing? Did you ask your OS’ community for support?

be_excellent_to_each_other,
@be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social avatar

Yeah, sounds like a PEBKAC problem to me. 😁

rasensprenger,

Well even if the user doesn’t really know what they’re doing, things shouldn’t easily break, that’s just bad.

be_excellent_to_each_other,
@be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social avatar

I'm not convinced this is a valid statement:

If only Linux wouldn’t Bork my whole install when I try to switch to 144hz on my monitor.

If he says his install is borked I believe him. If he says it's "just" because he tried to switch to 144hz on his monitor, eh...

Edit: Also sounds like nvidia binary blob driver. Odd to me that he didn't get the "do you want to keep these settings" prompt, and that it didn't revert when he didn't click yes though.

BURN,

Setting any of my monitors to 4k or 144hz just resulted in a completely black screen that persisted through reboots. Only solution I found was to plug into a completely separate, lower resolution monitor.

No clue what caused it, but it’s not isolated to just op

be_excellent_to_each_other,
@be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social avatar

Out of curiosity, nvidia blob driver also? (I, too, run the blob driver, but I'm just curious if it's a common denominator)

BURN,

I think so. It’s been a while since I set it up.

Since I can’t remember setting up the proprietary ones, I’d assume it’s the blob

Twospoons,

All I did was on first install go to display settings and change to 144hz in the OS and screen then goes black and never came back. Force a shutdown and boots back to a black screen after login.

I was eventually able to change things back to 60hz and working through booting to cli but 144 never wanted to work (am admittedly using Nvidia card).

So not completely borked but not ideal at all.

rasensprenger,

Ah yeah nvidia can be painful, especially if you want wayland. But this seems to be a simple modesetting issue, I’m sure there are some known workarounds. You can also report driver bugs directly to nvidia, but I don’t know if that will do much.

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

In the time I have been a Linux gamer, it has gone from “here is a list of games that work in Linux” to “here is a list of games that do not work in Linux.” Which some dictionaries define as “progress.”

atmur,

That’s a perfect way to put it. From constantly relying on ProtonDB to occasionally checking areweanticheatyet.com.

RubberElectrons,
@RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

Oh I’d never even heard of that second site haha.

Synnr,

That’s crazy! When I was last trying to run Linux full time in ~2014, you had WINE and then a commercial version of WINE (not by the WINE devs, but because WINE is licensed the way it is and is open source…) that would run a few more things, but I don’t remember what it was called.

So glad to hear it’s progressing this quickly and far.

atmur,

a commercial version of WINE

That would be CrossOver by CodeWeavers. They’re actually a huge contributor to upstream Wine and have worked with Valve (and I think Collabora?) several times over the past few years. I’m kind of tempted to buy a copy of CrossOver to support them even though I’d never use it, lol

DJDarren,

I think that a good chunk of Apple’s GPTK is based on the work that CodeWeavers have done, which has made me tempted to shell out for Crossover too. £60 is a fair old chunk just to play games on my Mac though.

Synnr,

That’s right! That’s what it was. Seemed like WINE with some pre-set tweaks per game, but they were clearly doing a lot more.

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

I started out in 2014, and pretty much what I did was look to see if there was a Steam logo on the Steam store page to indicate Linux compatibility. With Proton in the last few years, I just don’t really worry about it. I will say my tastes have just about always lined up with the kinds of games, the kinds of studios, that are likely to publish for Linux, the nerd shit like Kerbal Space Program and Factorio. I don’t play Call of Fifa, Modern Fortnite or whatever.

Chee_Koala,

What about Red Theft Autoredemption, or Overwatch of Legends? 😆

aard,
@aard@kyu.de avatar

“Did Loki port it?”, which was a very short list, plus a few exceptions like Quake.

cloudy1999,

In 2003, it was my dream to play FF7 in Linux. In 2019, my dream came true. Thanks Proton, Codeweavers, Wine, Valve, et al for helping me finally put down Sephiroth right.

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot,

There’ve been good PlayStation emulators in Linux since long before 2019.

cloudy1999,

Very true, but the graphics and performance aren’t nearly as good as the PC version.

Gemini24601,

Imagine a completely different OS running software made for your OS better than your actual OS could. This is Microsoft Windows

gornius,

Not only OS - written using 3D APIs closed source available only for your OS.

hperrin,

Proton literally got me into PC gaming again. I switched to Linux in 2008, and stopped playing PC games. For a decade, I missed so much. Valve is awesome!

sederx,

i mean that was your choice i was playing Wow on linux in like 2008

RTRedreovic,

Yeah until you find a game which doesn’t run only because of its dogshit Anti Cheat System Service.

Dark_Blade,
@Dark_Blade@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck anti-cheat, the bane of gamers everywhere.

DoneItDuncan,

I think they’re a necessary evil, nothing ruins multiplayer more than cheats.

Dark_Blade,
@Dark_Blade@lemmy.world avatar

Then multiplayer should be its own app. Making a whole single-player game unplayable just so you can push anticheat cruft into everything.

Clbull,

Punkbuster, VAC and EAC support Linux now.

It’s the truly invasive anti cheats like Vanguard, GameGuard, etc that won’t run.

Pofski,

If I as an older person would like to start using linux, where would you recommend to start? Is there an easy guide I can follow on how to use linux?

Petter1,

As noob, who is not interested in learning the core of linux, but only want it to just work, I would recommend the new openSuse slowroll (based on own experience with tumbleweed which should in theory be less stable than slowroll) and for apps I recommend going for flathubs. I’m not sure if slowroll already released.

UndercoverUlrikHD, (edited )

Linux Mint is often touted as the most similar looking GUI to windows, so if you want Linux, but looking like windows that might be your best bet. You will find many guides for how to install Linux. If you want to just try it out first (and not just overwrite windows), you’ll need to free up some disk space and create an empty partition to install Linux on.

gaiussabinus,

Linux mint is just nice to deal with. I distro-hopped to see what was out there but I came back to mint. It plays my games and runs my AI and works with whatever old garbage i plug in without needing to download shifty drivers from a shifty site like with windows.

imAadesh,

I’ll recommend NobaraOS. It comes with everything set up out-of-the box and you can change interface to Windows or macOS style.

DO NOT SWITCH, until you’ve found that every software you use has a Linux version… Or an alternative which works on Linux as well as for you.

ALSO DO NOT SWITCH if you have the 30 or 40 series NVIDIA cards. Or any NVIDIA card for that matter.

YouTube channel recommendations - The Linux Experiment, Tech Hut, Gardiner Bryant (old videos, he just makes Steam Deck content now)

Tippon,

ALSO DO NOT SWITCH if you have the 30 or 40 series NVIDIA cards. Or any NVIDIA card for that matter.

Why? I’ve got a 3060, and it’s running perfectly under Mint. It’s worked on the half a dozen or so other distros I’ve live booted too.

Huschke,

If I had to guess OP is probably talking about DLSS 3+ which is not supported on Linux at the moment. And what other reason is there to buy an Nvidia 30 or 40 series card if not for that?

Tippon,

Anything that uses CUDA for a start

Tankton,

I had issues with my 4060 on the latest mint, but everything worked fine on Ubuntu 23.04. Everything can be fixed but Ubuntu worked out of the box.

Tankton,

Honestly, your question will get a ton of different answers because it’s so open to people’s preferences. It’s like asking “I want to start using a car, which one should I buy?” There will be so many different answers that it’s practically useless, from people recommending a toyota aygo since it’s cheap, easy and reliable to people recommending a Abrams tank “because it can handle everything”.

imo, try Linux Mint or Ubuntu since they are accessable and bring most software out of the box. But it’s up to you, you cannot really lose when picking a distro.

mr_MADAFAKA,
@mr_MADAFAKA@lemmy.ml avatar

Linux Mint or wait for SteamOS

sederx,

or wait for SteamOS

good luck with that

ComradeKhoumrag,
@ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub avatar

If you go down this route, even as a noob, whatever tech issues you may run into, it will likely be easier to find command line interface [CLI] solutions that you can copy and paste into your terminal aka console.

I know it seems extra and harder because it looks like something a hacker would do. But telling someone where to click a mouse over and over again is so much harder than “copy this into a terminal app, and send back the output”

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

As a fellow older gamer who is also technical, I’m using Fedora with KDE, and I install the Steam client and the Bottles app for non-Steam games.

If you’re not technical, then I would suggest something like Linux Mint or Ubuntu, but KDE gives you the closest experience to a Windows desktop regardless of which version of Linux you’re using (vs Gnome).

But as others have said, it doesn’t really matter (for the most part) which version of Linux you use, it really comes down to using Steam and Bottles for the game support.

Killing_Spark,

And I honestly love valve for taking wine which is an impressive project on it’s own and making it even better.

IRQBreaker,

Absolutely! I play mainly two games. DayZ and Eve Online. Both run way faster on my Debian 12 rig compared to running on Windows 11.

Granted, it took a while to figure out how to self-sign the Nvidia driver (secure boot). But once that was sorted it was smooth sailing.

caustictrap,

But as a person who uses both windows and linux, Windows is a super stable os if you do some powershell tweaks (for bloat, ads, updates) and you can also bring the best things from the linux world like package managers, stability etc.

Windows can run all games and i dont have to worry if a game is going to have proton problems.

1847953620,

It can run all the telemetry and jankyass untested updates, too

Aux,

Just like Linux! But sadly Windows doesn’t deliver 3rd party backdoors and viruses automatically yet.

QuazarOmega,

…yeah, Windows prefers delivering 1st party backdoors and viruses.
Jokes aside, what are you referring to with that, where are you pulling your packages from not be vetted?

Aux,
QuazarOmega,

Thanks, that’s actually valid!
I think one of the commenters there said it best:

It’s almost like the maintainers who curate a distribution repository have an important role preventing such a thing…

Repositories where anyone can release packages to the end-users may be convenient for developers who want more control over what the user gets, but it has a host of negative consequences for the user. It always ends in malware and anti-features getting distributed eventually.

(link)

And it looks like it’s being handled decently by Canonical. I don’t like Snap, but I gotta say they’re doing a good job overall

caustictrap,

I would have know this when i said this on Lemmy + linux community. I would actually consider my phone running android/ios to be a greater threat to my privacy than my gaming pc

With a powershell tweaks you never have to worry about those broken updates.

1847953620,

I run grapheneOS for that reason, though that’s besides the point. One thing being bad doesn’t make another less bad. And you’d still have to worry about janky updates, you’re just minimizing the risk, and mitigating the risk of bad updates by putting in a delay and only doing critical and security updates comes with a compromise to increasing vulnerability.

Bad OS is bad ¯_(ツ)_/¯

wagesj45,
@wagesj45@kbin.social avatar

Windows can run all games

Tell that to some of the games I want to play. Splinter Cell - Blacklist, I'm looking at you.

not_gsa,

TWD (Total Windows Death)

Aux,

Short time? Proton is built around Wine, which is 30 years old. 30 years is not a short time.

newIdentity,

Remember the wine days where proton didn’t exist? Barely any game was playable.

We got from unplayable to “download and play” within 5 years

gens,

Warcraft 3 worked better then on win. At that time more then half of games worked (newest aaa-est usually had problems). Just before proton almost all games worked (with some winetricks black magic). Valve did help, but there’s more to the story.

Clbull,

I had the opposite experience. WarCraft III would frequently soft lock my PC forcing a reboot, plus you couldn’t use the mouse to move the camera because the game couldn’t detect the mouse going to the screen edge, forcing you to use the arrow keys.

Some versions of Wine also wouldn’t allow you to connect to Bnet, requiring a rollback to a previous version from months prior.

gens,

I put -opengl on the end of it and it worked great. Wasn’t on release, but later when dota was popular.

Clbull,

Of course I would’ve forced OpenGL. DXVK didn’t exist at the time and DirectX 8 or 9 games were unplayably laggy back in 2007. Apparently you could run DirectX apps with near-native performance by sourcing the necessary Windows DLL’s but that would involve piracy?

Tau,

Or you went from hell and back trying to install all the dependencies with winetricks

sederx,

bullshit, you are either young or you got bad memory

cybersandwich,

Guys, actually this stuff was written in C which has been around for 50 years. But yea, this happened quickly.

KillAllPoorPeople,

Don’t you people have something better to do than unironically doing the ackchyually meme? Follow the fucking post and its fucking intent, you fucking internet weirdos. You’re not as smart as you think you are.

JeyNessuno,

You just provided my daily dose of sanity, thanks

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