I’m not an expert (at all), but I presume that opening a door into a thoroughfare risks hitting someone with the door but opening into a room only risks a person ready to leave (and approaching the door head on?)
accessibility shouldn’t prevent improvements, we can just add the foot handles and handicapped people simply keep operating doors like they currently do.
They’ll still be exposed to fewer germs so they benefit anyways.
The arm one is dumb because I’ve seen people with unwashed hands grab it
So? If I can manipulate it with my sleeved arm (thus keeping my hands clean), it’s still working pretty well. Sure, I’d prefer not to have my sleeve contact something that someone’s unwashed hands have been on, but better that than my hand.
I’ve only seen doorless toilets in large well ventilated spaces such as some train stations. I don’t think that would go well inside a shopping mall or a restaurant
Some of the comments might be about stalls, but I think most of them might be about the door to the bathroom itself. Since a person would wash their hand after leaving the stall and before touching that door, and with a pull door you have to touch that handle.
I realized it with this comment since a doorless stall sounds like a nightmare
Eh, it’s unclear honestly. After reading some comments I realised op maybe meant the direction in which doors open, not the fact that you have to open doors. I don’t know
This is what I prefer to do, but more and more establishments nowadays are getting rid of paper towels in favor of hand dryers. So then I have to grab the handle barehanded. I try to use my shirt in those cases.
The moment your elderly mom has a stroke on the toilet, you’ll look back at all the times you got the door in your face and be grateful. What a tiny price to pay for the life of your mother.
I can see this for a stall (think someone falling over and blocking the door, or one of those really tight bathroom stalls where you really have to shimmy to get yourself into the stall), a bathroom door itself not as much.
I believe it’s to do with hand cleanliness. When you enter, you push the door as your hands are dirty (maybe shove it with your arm or something), then when you leave your hands are (supposed to be) clean so you pull the door as it’s a nice clean handle to grab.
I don’t get it either, but that’s what I’ve heard as the reason.
If I'm sure about one thing, it's that people are disgusting. I'd much rather avoid touching the door after using the toilet when my hands are clean. And even in the case that the door is disgusting, you can wash your hands both before and after.
Inner doors should swing inward because in case of a fire or other emergency, you don't want to be trapped inside by something blocking the door that you cannot deal with. Even in something were preventing it from swinging open (like a rope or whatever), in theory the person could still get out because the door hinge would be located on their side and they could simply remove it.
Also because the hinge would have to be on the outside if swinging outward and thus not be securable. As the hung pins could be removed and door opened while locked.
In large building some code requires exterior doors to swing out as pressure build on a fire could jam the door closed. Also some exits require push bar which is swing out.
The in swing though makes sense for more smaller buildings and internal doors. Not wacking people and not getting blocked in seems the better method.
I just eat with dirty hands. No matter how hard I try to be clean I will always end up consuming filth one way or another so now I dont worry about it. I’ll take a shit, not wash my hands and then pick up a slice of pizza no worries.
You go around with shit particles on your hand, infecting everything. You're a typhoid Mary. Even if you've never been ill after eating some food (which I find unlikely) it's not unlikely that you have made people ill, and maybe even killed someone with a weakened immune system.
Up to a quarter of a billion people are infected worldwide, in large part due to poor hygiene.
Then there's round worm, likely a billion people infected globally. Once again, due to poor sanitation and hygiene aka handwashing.
But hey, you do you.
Just know that at this point you might as well stick your thumb up a strangers ass then lick it. It's fundamentally not that different to not caring about washing off shit particles before eating food.
Look at the difference in sick days between a construction worker and an office workers. Spending your whole life trying to avoid germs is a futile battle.
We have outwards opening bathroom doors in the office and they’re great for giving people concussions and bumps on their head, as well as knocking coffees out of people’s hands. When we pass these doors in the hallway we put our hands up like our abusive dad went for a high five.
Nope, it was built within the last 10 years. I don’t know what Danish building codes are like but these are definitely built different from everywhere else I’ve been in Denmark
You reminded me of something I learned about back when I worked at Disney - most of the bathroom doors on property swing the way you’re complaining about for reasons I can’t remember but might be because you’re supposed to have clean hands when exiting the bathroom (wash your damn hands!). But Disney’s Animal Kingdom is different, because if an animal gets loose the bathrooms are designed to keep animals out, most animals are going to have trouble figuring out how to pull open the door to get into the bathroom. Good to know in case their new batch of cheetahs also figures out how to escape.
OP you clearly have no clue what you are talking about. Safety if number one reason, slamming the open-door in people walking outside the door is another. You can defend against someone forcing their way in, by using your body weight against door, something you can not do if it swings outward. Odor control is another issue, door swing outward will release the smell into next room, rather than contain it with the swing inward. Finally, this has nothing to do with architects or interior designer, this is a building code bylaw, as accessibility demand the door swing inward for people in a wheelchair so they can operate it.
slamming the open-door in people walking outside the door is another.
That might be true in a small shop, but in a lot of places the bathrooms are recessed into a hallway where nobody who isn’t trying to get into or leave the bathroom should be standing.
You can defend against someone forcing their way in, by using your body weight against door, something you can not do if it swings outward.
Is that really a concern…? The amount of conditions that have to be true for this to become a thing seems really long… boarding on the “your insurance policy covers you if an elephant falls through the roof on the first day of February” cartoon levels of specificity.
Not to mention if you assume a truck stop instead of a restaurant. It might be harder to use your body weight to keep a door closed, but with a proper door frame, deadbolt, and security hinges, it would be basically impossible for some hypothetical attacker to break down the door.
Odor control is another issue, door swing outward will release the smell into next room, rather than contain it with the swing inward.
Um, no it won’t? This is actually backwards the pivot of a door that swings back into a room, will force air out of a room with it swings out. If it swings out, when it closes it’s going to push air back towards the room.
In either case, I’d expect basically no observable impact on the amount of perceivable smell.
accessibility demand the door swing inward for people in a wheelchair so they can operate it.
They still have to get out…? It’s not our handicapped folks are getting stuck in bathrooms are they? And if they are, wouldn’t that be a reason to change this?
That surely doesn’t apply to the situations I discussed above where the bathrooms are recessed (and/or just generally wouldn’t be blocking anything if the door was open).
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