zerbey,

Most bathrooms have foot pulls now, it’s not a perfect solution for everyone but it’s better than the alternative.

looeee,

What’s a foot pull? I’m imagining a floor-level hook that you either use to open the door or break your ankle with

Rouxibeau,

Prettmucexactlthat

Stovetop,

Yes. They’re dumb.

Acters,

My shoes are smooth enough to make it impossible to get a grip on them. Not to mention trying to balance while pulling it. Some bathrooms have an arm pull, dobt know how hygienic it is.

ManosTheHandsOfFate,
@ManosTheHandsOfFate@lemmy.world avatar

Most? I do see them often but you definitely live in a different place than I do.

zerbey,

Central Florida.

Echo71Niner,

OP you clearly have no clue what you are talking about. Safety if number one reason, slamming the open-door in people walking outside the door is another. You can defend against someone forcing their way in, by using your body weight against door, something you can not do if it swings outward. Odor control is another issue, door swing outward will release the smell into next room, rather than contain it with the swing inward. Finally, this has nothing to do with architects or interior designer, this is a building code bylaw, as accessibility demand the door swing inward for people in a wheelchair so they can operate it.

Dark_Arc,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

slamming the open-door in people walking outside the door is another.

That might be true in a small shop, but in a lot of places the bathrooms are recessed into a hallway where nobody who isn’t trying to get into or leave the bathroom should be standing.

You can defend against someone forcing their way in, by using your body weight against door, something you can not do if it swings outward.

Is that really a concern…? The amount of conditions that have to be true for this to become a thing seems really long… boarding on the “your insurance policy covers you if an elephant falls through the roof on the first day of February” cartoon levels of specificity.

Not to mention if you assume a truck stop instead of a restaurant. It might be harder to use your body weight to keep a door closed, but with a proper door frame, deadbolt, and security hinges, it would be basically impossible for some hypothetical attacker to break down the door.

Odor control is another issue, door swing outward will release the smell into next room, rather than contain it with the swing inward.

Um, no it won’t? This is actually backwards the pivot of a door that swings back into a room, will force air out of a room with it swings out. If it swings out, when it closes it’s going to push air back towards the room.

In either case, I’d expect basically no observable impact on the amount of perceivable smell.

accessibility demand the door swing inward for people in a wheelchair so they can operate it.

They still have to get out…? It’s not our handicapped folks are getting stuck in bathrooms are they? And if they are, wouldn’t that be a reason to change this?

this is a building code bylaw,

I’m struggling with the rational

CADmonkey,

I’m struggling with the rational

Fire codes. There’s laws about this. You can’t have doors swinging into a walkway whether it’s a bathroom door or office door.

Dark_Arc,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

That surely doesn’t apply to the situations I discussed above where the bathrooms are recessed (and/or just generally wouldn’t be blocking anything if the door was open).

CADmonkey,

No, it doesn’t apply to the situation thay only you were talking about.

mrbubblesort,
@mrbubblesort@kbin.social avatar

Inner doors should swing inward because in case of a fire or other emergency, you don't want to be trapped inside by something blocking the door that you cannot deal with. Even in something were preventing it from swinging open (like a rope or whatever), in theory the person could still get out because the door hinge would be located on their side and they could simply remove it.

Neil,
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  • blackbrook,

    A good poop knife will pop those babies out in no time.

    KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX,
    @KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX@lemmy.ml avatar

    Good to see this has made it over to the fediverse.

    blackbrook,

    Fuck Reddit, I’m leaving and taking the poop knife with me! And anything else that’s not nailed down!

    QuarterSwede,
    @QuarterSwede@lemmy.world avatar

    Also because the hinge would have to be on the outside if swinging outward and thus not be securable. As the hung pins could be removed and door opened while locked.

    acceptable_pumpkin,

    There are locking pins to secure outward swinging doors. Though fire and safety reasons are really why the doors swing the way they do.

    Zippy,

    In large building some code requires exterior doors to swing out as pressure build on a fire could jam the door closed. Also some exits require push bar which is swing out.

    The in swing though makes sense for more smaller buildings and internal doors. Not wacking people and not getting blocked in seems the better method.

    Dettweiler42,

    Primary traffic routes during an emergency have priority. It is a hazard for doors to open into a hallway.

    archomrade,

    US based architect here: this is the correct answer

    CADmonkey,

    Draftsman here, and yup. There’s codes about this.

    Fizz,
    @Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

    I just eat with dirty hands. No matter how hard I try to be clean I will always end up consuming filth one way or another so now I dont worry about it. I’ll take a shit, not wash my hands and then pick up a slice of pizza no worries.

    toothpaste_sandwich,

    That’s right who cares about other people touching what you touch with your shit hands. Shouldn’t be around you if they don’t want that.

    Fizz,
    @Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

    Anything in public should be assumed to be dirty. If its not me fuckin it up someone else will.

    toothpaste_sandwich,

    That’s the spirit—things suck anyway so you might as well contribute, right? You’re an inspiration to us all.

    Fizz,
    @Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

    Its impossible for things in public to be clean. I am not making things worse. I am just not neurotically worrying about things that dont affect me.

    Hyperreality, (edited )

    You are. Roughly 48 million food borne illnesses per year in the US, in large part due to people not washing their hands.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foodborne_illness#Epidemiology

    Also Noro-virus:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norovirus

    A large part of prevention is handwashing.

    Also, Cholera:

    https://www.cdc.gov/cholera/preventionsteps.html

    Have a guess what prevention step 2 is.

    You go around with shit particles on your hand, infecting everything. You're a typhoid Mary. Even if you've never been ill after eating some food (which I find unlikely) it's not unlikely that you have made people ill, and maybe even killed someone with a weakened immune system.

    Fizz,
    @Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

    I’m not in the us so relax.

    Hyperreality,

    The US has relatively low levels of food borne diseases. It was an example.

    Also parasites, like hookworm:

    https://www.healthline.com/health/whipworm-infection#prevention

    Up to a quarter of a billion people are infected worldwide, in large part due to poor hygiene.

    Then there's round worm, likely a billion people infected globally. Once again, due to poor sanitation and hygiene aka handwashing.

    But hey, you do you.

    Just know that at this point you might as well stick your thumb up a strangers ass then lick it. It's fundamentally not that different to not caring about washing off shit particles before eating food.

    Fizz,
    @Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

    you might as well stick your thumb up a strangers ass and lick it.

    Mate people are eating a different strangers ass each week. These people never get sick because it builds up the immune system

    Hyperreality,

    As mentioned above, people get sick in large numbers, and many die.

    You can't 'build up your immune system' by eating literal shit.

    You can't prevent cholera or a parasitic infection by licking toilet seats either.

    I mean, seriously. Don't believe me, go eat an actual turd. See how you feel.

    Fizz,
    @Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

    Look at the difference in sick days between a construction worker and an office workers. Spending your whole life trying to avoid germs is a futile battle.

    Coreidan,

    Ah. Living proof that people are fucking disgusting, in case anyone had any doubts.

    Moghul,

    We have outwards opening bathroom doors in the office and they’re great for giving people concussions and bumps on their head, as well as knocking coffees out of people’s hands. When we pass these doors in the hallway we put our hands up like our abusive dad went for a high five.

    Dettweiler42,

    Your local Fire Marshall would like to know your location.

    Moghul,

    TBH I want to know where they were when this building was built. Who came up with this and who allowed it?

    GreasyTengu,
    @GreasyTengu@sh.itjust.works avatar

    if its an older building it may have been built before those laws and then grandfathered in (which is bullshit)

    Moghul,

    Nope, it was built within the last 10 years. I don’t know what Danish building codes are like but these are definitely built different from everywhere else I’ve been in Denmark

    ZugZugDaBoo,

    You just need to learn the Joe Rogan spinning sidekick.

    PrimeErective,

    That gets you in. How do you get back out?

    GrimReaperCZ,

    With the same move. But nobody will close the door at all after you’re done.

    the_boxhead,
    @the_boxhead@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I’m not an expert (at all), but I presume that opening a door into a thoroughfare risks hitting someone with the door but opening into a room only risks a person ready to leave (and approaching the door head on?)

    Just thoughts…

    otter,
    @otter@lemmy.ca avatar

    One compromise might be touchless door handles

    https://www.mize-tech.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/IMG_1171-1536x1024.jpg

    I’ve also seen these at my school, but it doesn’t work for all doors since the door needs to be light enough

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/613LSft4Y4L._AC_UF1000,1000_QL80_FMwebp_.jpg

    Neither of these are that accessible though, and I can’t find photos of the better ones

    Swedneck,
    @Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    accessibility shouldn’t prevent improvements, we can just add the foot handles and handicapped people simply keep operating doors like they currently do.

    They’ll still be exposed to fewer germs so they benefit anyways.

    otter,
    @otter@lemmy.ca avatar

    That’s fair, both options can exist at the same time in this case

    spader312,

    I’ve seen something similar for your arm. It’s larger and at arms length so you can use more of your body weight to pull it open

    Dark_Arc,
    @Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

    I have actually seen these foot handles in a restaurant in Columbus, Ohio… pretty nice!

    kent_eh,

    Or people could simply wash their damn hands…

    dingus,

    Have you met people? They don’t do that.

    dingus,

    The arm one is dumb because I’ve seen people with unwashed hands grab it. The foot one makes more sense. Although it’s not accessible like you said.

    scubbo,

    The arm one is dumb because I’ve seen people with unwashed hands grab it

    So? If I can manipulate it with my sleeved arm (thus keeping my hands clean), it’s still working pretty well. Sure, I’d prefer not to have my sleeve contact something that someone’s unwashed hands have been on, but better that than my hand.

    karet,

    Thank you! Same exact thought, I was telling my friends this a while back, and they said I was making no sense

    HobbitFoot,

    Architects are psychopaths. So most of them?

    fratermus,
    @fratermus@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    My favorite is bathrooms where you can stand at the urinal and make eye contact with people in the dining room everytime the door opens.

    tallwookie,
    @tallwookie@lemmy.world avatar

    asserting dominance

    Aidinthel,

    Use a paper towel to grab the door handle so you don’t have to touch it directly.

    supercheesecake,
    @supercheesecake@aussie.zone avatar

    Or you could tear the Dyson hand dryer off the wall and carefully jimmy the door open with it

    Hyperreality,

    Fuck those things.

    RiikkaTheIcePrincess,
    @RiikkaTheIcePrincess@kbin.social avatar

    I like the way you think! Please tell me you run a commagazine with more wonderful tips and tricks like this :D

    dingus,

    This is what I prefer to do, but more and more establishments nowadays are getting rid of paper towels in favor of hand dryers. So then I have to grab the handle barehanded. I try to use my shirt in those cases.

    Gork,

    We need those cool and unnecessarily complicated sci-fi doors that open with multiple stages or like a camera aperture or a Stargate iris.

    Hyperreality,

    Fuck that. I want the swish sound sliding doors from the original series of trek.

    Rayspekt, (edited )

    No. Every. Single. Door has an automated 30 second vault-like opening sequence.

    Pr0phet,
    Rayspekt,

    Yes, this every time you go to the bathroom.

    w2tpmf,

    I want the doors from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy that make a sigh sound when they open.

    floppy,
    @floppy@rabbitea.rs avatar

    I believe it’s to do with hand cleanliness. When you enter, you push the door as your hands are dirty (maybe shove it with your arm or something), then when you leave your hands are (supposed to be) clean so you pull the door as it’s a nice clean handle to grab.

    I don’t get it either, but that’s what I’ve heard as the reason.

    GunnarRunnar,

    If I'm sure about one thing, it's that people are disgusting. I'd much rather avoid touching the door after using the toilet when my hands are clean. And even in the case that the door is disgusting, you can wash your hands both before and after.

    Rayspekt,

    So then we need saloon doors that swing both ways?

    Mothra,
    @Mothra@mander.xyz avatar

    Now I have this mental image of people coming in and out of the toilets triumphantly through saloon style doors after doing business

    hactar42, (edited )

    I live in Texas, and I feel like I’ve seen this before. Not necessarily the bathroom itself but in the little hallway that leads to the bathrooms.

    Dark_Arc,
    @Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

    I actually think this or just a double hinged *kitchen style" door is the best answer

    larvyde,

    or use some kind of baffle

    HulkSmashBurgers,

    Bathrooms with pull to open handle doors without paper towels are the worst.

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