At a certain point, his success and money is just self-sustaining. He could release a video of him shitting and it would make half a billion domestic. Like, there are at least 3 more Avatar movies coming. Terminator was an actual cultural phenomenon that people can remember the names of all of the characters and the plot, and yet it only did a fraction of the numbers Avatar does. Explain that.
This is precisely it. Avatar had originally the exact same problem that the Way of the Water has now. They’re tech demos. Interesting, pretty, they move people to see what’s what on the theater. But, offer close to nothing emotionally or culturally resonant. It’s like a generic roller-coaster, you show up, enjoy the ride, then go get some fries having nothing deeper to say about the experience because the experience doesn’t offer anything deep. It doesn’t mean the movies are bad or that they weren’t enjoyable, that’s why they made so much money. But there’s no conversation to have around them except to remark on how much they cost to make, or how did the CGI looked like or whether other studios will use the tech invented for this movie on other movies. Plot, characters and symbolism are shallow pools. Specially to an audience that is sick and tired of mega blockbuster sequels.
Um… I wasn’t aware that it was humanly possible to have a 12 pack. I didn’t know that humans even have that many muscles on the front of their abdomen.
I feel like it would’ve been better with only the water stuff. Just take the bad guys out completely. Just have it be the story of the Sully family being accepted into a new tribe. There was still plenty of conflict to focus on.
Me being charitable: if you enjoyed the first you are most likely going to enjoy the second. If you are over the age of 12 and have seen more than 8 movies in your life you are probably not going to enjoy it.
I mean the Na’vi are an infantilized hodgepodge of several shallow stereotypes of indigenous people precision designed to be sexy so the lowest common denominator sympathizes with them. The commenter may be referring to that.
Is that not all true even for some tribes today? I don’t mean native American, but for example look at the people on Sentinel Island or similar - I think this is what they were going for with the NaVi
I can’t think of a culture that treated all plants and animals as sacred and apologized to them for killing them for food like in Avatar. That’s a bullshit stereotype. Some indigenous American groups used to drive herds of buffalo off cliffs, harvest the meat they could carry and then leave the rest to rot. And that’s just one of plenty of examples.
Nobility is on an individual scale, trying to say a whole race is “noble” and “certain traits”, even positive ones, is racism. Racism is specifically trying to define someone based solely on " observable traits" from their race.
I’d like to think I’m a pretty stand up guy, but I know some fellow Indians who are real pieces of shit, that’s just how society works.
You have fallen for the myth of the noble savage. A racists mischaracterization of non-western human groups born from the very heart of slavery and colonialism that is used as a justification for dehumanizing others as wild or natural state humans, distinct and separate from civilized domesticated humans. It invites a tacit sanctioning of treating “primitives” or “savage” people as different and non-human, “not like us”. It’s the basis of several centuries of abuse, oppression, appropriation and destruction.
If you can confirm that James Cameron used Sentinel Island people as the direct design influence for the Na’Vi, you might have some kind of a point. But he didn’t. He made them sexy babies with big eyes so he could override your Disney brain and sell some toys.
The sequel is literally “the exact same movie as the first one, but this time with water (and bonus animal cruelty)”
I actually enjoyed the first one, but the second movie added nothing of value and cheapened everything that happened in the first one (in that literally no one gives a shit about unobtanium anymore)
Edit: Curious as to what the downvoters are taking issue with about my comment. Nothing wrong with liking the movie, but you have to admit the plot was basically identical to the first one, just with new characters and a different setting
I heard many people mention it. I think mostly high schoolers (I work in education)? Probably the same people who watch anything that's trending news. People I know who are actually old enough to see the original in theatres mostly seemed uninterested.
I saw it, it was shit, specially because I remember the first. The plot of the 2 is horrible, even comparing with first that was generic.
The story moves around the fact that humans want to get rid of blue ppl from a place to explore mineral resources, the leadr of the blues go away, instead of massacre the blue ppl they go for the leader in another place (???)
And half of the movie is just kids doing shit to help the plot show the water, this movie was a long and slow torture.
I saw 3D as well and It was undisputable beautiful, but half of the movie I didn’t see, I was rolling my eyes. I Just can’t accept how a movie so expensive was unable to create a plot aligned with the Idea of a visual masterpiece.
Yeah, my friend was over it as soon as he saw humans sent the same exact general who got his ass kicked the first time back to try to do the exact same thing. Obviously it can’t be 100% realistic but if there was any suspension of disbelief at all it could have been so much better
Holy shit do these movies need to edited down. Watched the latest one a few weeks ago and man was it 90 minutes of plot stretched into a 3 hour film. Felt like I was just watching James Cameron fellate himself on screen. Oh yeah Jimmy, such a beautiful and imaginative world. Shame it’s wasted on the blandest characters and most simplistic themes imaginable.
I believe if was 80 minutes I would remember it as a good movie and a visual masterpiece, but now I remember as a slugg story that destroyed a technical achievement.
If I remember correctly, Sarge (no idea wtf his name is) had a vendetta and the folks not in his direct circle of troops were hesitant to allow his pursuit of Jake.
Don’t mistake this as some defense of perfect writing, it wasn’t my favorite or anything, but I do think that was talked about.
Yeah, like once Sarge convinced them they were on board but I could’ve sworn there was at least hesitancy. His argument was something like Jake is a symbol? Idk.
Yeah you don’t remember his name. Action and horror movies depend almost solely on the strength of the villain. So when no one can remember even the name of the villain what does it say about the movie?
Of course I do, I’m just saying it’s very common for me to forget. I loved Scream but I can only remember Tatum. Matthew Lillard I kept calling Shaggy. I recently saw Insidious again and I remember like, Elaine? And that’s it. My memory of characters’ names doesn’t seem to correlate very strongly with the quality of the movie.
I saw it. I enjoyed it a lot. Pandora’s seas look even more stunning than the forest did in the first movie. Loved meeting the Omatikaya clan and Jake’s new family (Spider and Kiri too, of course). Also, Quaritch being reborn as a Na’vi made him a much scarier and more interesting antagonist than he was. Can’t wait to see what Cameron has in store for us in the sequels.
So it may have taken 13 years to come back with a sequel that no one asked for and no one expected. But at least he gave us something. Unlike a certain South African director that shall remain nameless...3 years my ass...
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