Holy shit. There’s already a memorial there. We have a few roads like this in Portland where pedestrians and cyclists get killed over and over. The city responded by putting up new speed limit signs and one of those radar speed displays but it hasn’t changed anything. Folks still drive as recklessly as ever.
Someone who’s going to crash into a pedestrian doesn’t care what the speed limit sign says, and the radar speed signs can’t give you a ticket so people just speed up to get a high score.
Why not put bollards there to protect anyone on the island from being mowed down? Cheaper than the camera and safer. The families should sue the hell out of the city for not putting a protective barrier there after the first death.
I think the real problem is the pedestrians don’t have any physical protection. It is a numbers game. Even if 99.9999% of drivers can navigate that intersection fine, it doesn’t take long for the 1/1,000,000 that is drunk, up all night with a sick infant, etc to plow into pedestrians. Probably every month or two based on that kind of road’s capacity. People need to start suing and make it too expensive to not put barriers around the pedestrian island.
@neanderthal precisely - drivers need to internalize not only that right of way applies to "softer" targets, but also that they don't have the right to operate a 2 ton weapon when impaired. Uber is expensive, but cheaper than murder.
The point with impaired driving is that car dependent infrastructure is the problem. Plenty of drivers use Uber or cabs when impaired. When you have millions of drivers going through intersections like the one pictured with no feasible alternative, deadly crashes are going to happen.
they don’t have the right to operate a 2 ton weapon when impaired.
Unless we fix the mandatory car ownership prevalent in most of North America, it really should be treated as almost a right. How else are people going to realistically safely get where the need to go?
Unless we fix the mandatory car ownership prevalent in most of North America, it really should be treated as almost a right. How else are people going to realistically safely get where the need to go?
Just think for a moment about what you just said: “[car ownership] should be treated almost as a right”. I.e. it shouldn’t really matter how terrible of a driver you are, you should pretty much guarantee that you will be allowed to drive.
Well, that is how it already works today, and look at how safe the roads are. The lack of safety is a consequence of allowing shitty drivers to stay on the road.
Maybe we should do the opposite: have more stringent licensing requirements for heavier vehicles. Maybe if only good drivers were allowed to operate heavy machinery like pickup trucks and SUVs then the roads would be safer for everyone as the worst drivers would have to use lightweight vehicles, which are less deadly to others.
And if we took away people’s cars along with their driving license when they drive dangerously, it would be even better.
Well, that is how it already works today, and look at how safe the roads are. The lack of safety is a consequence of allowing shitty drivers to stay on the road.
The lack of safety is because we can’t get shitty drivers off the road because there is no other feasible way to get around much of NA. Even taking licenses away doesn’t do much because people will drive without them due to necessity.
We can’t get start imposing more barriers until we provide alternatives. I.e. usable transit, usable bike infrastructure, abolishing euclidean zoning. Until that is done, people all but have to drive to get around.
After the crash, Hartup issued a statement saying that as he was completing a turn at an intersection, “I struck a pedestrian. I immediately stopped my vehicle, grabbed my radio, and started aid to the pedestrian, and called dispatch to send medics.”
It gets a little harder to hate the driver when you find out that they did everything after the crash right. Guy still deserves jail time for fucking up driving again so badly that he ended someone’s life about it, but I’m not about to call for violence against him. Stopping and calling for help immediately is exactly what you should do if you hit a person.
$35.50 is an absolute insult to the victim, though. I hope it’s hard to cope with taking a life knowing that you’ve only paid the equivalent of a tank of gas for it.
Seems like something the prosecution’s lawyer would have an easy time proving by subpoenaing the officer’s dash cam footage. If anything, when the victim’s family takes the officer to court, they’ll subpoena it then. If the camera supports the officer’s testimony, you’ll never see it, because it won’t be used as evidence against him, and no one will bother posting a boring video that just supports a cop’s claims
I mean, aren’t you sick of the rampant corruption? These fucks doing whatever while you can barely afford food and rent? I am. I’m fucking sick and tired. Where is living? Where the fuck is life? We built a shit ass world and I am mad. What I love doing is playing games and messing with linux configs, i do that plenty. What I don’t enjoy is anybody with a centimeter of power becoming absolutely corrupt. Its exhausting.
Dont worry, it’ll be fine as long as we mail the police department a check for $35 bucks afterwards. Though maybe there should be s discount here, them being cops and all…
Distract myself? My guy, the world is burning, those with power are openly corrupt, we are literally just missing the seventh horn. I’m not running out in the streets ice picking people. I have people that rely on me. That doesn’t mean I’m not filled with rage every time I see another rich cuck whose leaned the entire system in his favor get exactly what he wants at the expense of us all for the 450th time.
You’re just doing it again. You’re looking for ways to justify and distract yourself from very unhealthy patterns of thought, even as they worm their way the very justifications and distractions you employ. Listen to what people are telling you.
I’m never going to be okay with our society setup how it is. So that people in power are allowed to leach from whoever with impunity. Simply because they can. Thats fucked up. I will never accept it. There is no healthy thought pattern that comes to acceptance with that reality. The wretched accept a bleak tomorrow.
I think the fact he was a cop doesn't have much to do with it.
This country just really doesn't seem to care if someones shitty, aggressive, dangerous driving kills someone (unless they are under the influence then throw the book at them!).
In America if you're a civilian and you run over somebody by accident and kill them you can still be charged with negligent homicide and spend several years in prison for it.
Unfortunately those kinds of simple, logical rules for some reason don't seem to apply to the cops that kill far more people on average than any other group in America.
Haha, us silly Americans, filing a lawsuit at the drop of a hat.
It seems like every time a cop runs over a bicyclist and the grand sum of their penalty is $35.50, enough money to almost afford pizza for a family of four, somebody has to file a lawsuit!
Yes, the problem is that there is no redress of grievances outside of the legal system.
The only options are
1: to keep things as they are
2: to make it so that if something happens you just can't sue anyone and tough luck, or
3: institute a new system, in which case you have to get such a huge percentage of the population on board with your new plan that it basically amounts to a constitutional amendment.
So you can complain about how often people sue each other all you want, but until you come up with a new and better solution and actually get it passed then all you're doing is griping.
Every fucking climate scientist on the planet was getting it right since the 60s. This idea that climate change was only mainstream science after 2005 or whatever is nonsense.
Much like tobacco and sugar, the producers KNEW the consequences long before the general public, and worked against the public’s comprehension. Not nothing; we’ve been doing propaganda!
it really depends on how it’s done, if they get free passes and they are reliable good. but if they are anything like my bus system, and non free this is awful.
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