Biggest problem: I’ve seen several kill their own batteries. Like 3V across both main and aux batteries. That’s not really recoverable without battery replacement.
General quality control is bad (I have to be careful not to give details here. I like my job).
Subjectively, I just don’t like the vehicle. It’s the flagship for everything wrong with the auto industry. It’s too big, too heavy, handles like shit, too many things to distract you from actually driving the fucking thing.
A friend of mine had a Wrangler Rubicon - built to drive straight up mountains, but never left a paved road in its life
At less than 5 years old, the oil pan rusted out. I live in an area that salts roads in the winter, but even 10 year old 80’s cars back in the 90’s didn’t rust out that bad
That little turbo motor rules. I have the eco boost in my Ranger and it’s just a great pairing. Smaller truck (it’s about the size of a Tacoma) with the eco boost = great experience. Tows my side by side with ease and I get decent highway mileage, which is great for our trips and getting to my office which is 90% highway.
Years ago when I worked for a dealer one of the salesman pointed out it’s the “F series” which includes everything with the F all the way up to delivery / commercial trucks. Nothing is going to touch the volume of all of those different categories of sales combined.
I recall renting a Grand cherokee in 2016 and being disappointed to find it was like driving a caravan in a lot of ways. Nothing like the older Grand and regular Cherokees I use to own.
The “new” Cherokee seems to be like a slightly larger Patriot clone. It’s like the movie industry creating new movies with old names. The new stuff is usually not as good or completely different.
You jest, but cars absolutely are a modern status symbol. To the point where getting a better car is the first thing the average American does when they make enough money to jump up a class. It’s woven into the fabric of our society.
From the perspective of middle going to upper class, fuel economy is a staple of the class that still worries about paying for gas.
I know its easy pickings to make fun of those that treat a sled dog like a show dog. And to have a utility vehicle and/or a luxury vehicle is fine. But everything about the design is conflicted between utility and fun. I got a rental ford flatbed truck, it was a weird experience. To me it’s cabin felt more like a toy than a utility truck but the bed was no frills. It was very capable to get its (mild to moderately difficult) task done. The cabin played an electricity sound effect when opening/closing the doors. It confused me multiple times into thinking the thing had an electrical short. I must have failed to recognize that it’s actually the car refilling its flux capacitor. (its fine to have luxury, but gimmicks are an odd thing to put into this identity crisis of a light truck.)
People that say this probably use the vehicle maybe once or twice a year for that purpose. Otherwise it’s an overpriced grocery store and commuting vehicle. Lol.
Also this looks like a pretty shifty vehicle to tow a boat.
Also, this shit carries 8 people. You telling me every family has at least 6 children? Such bullshit m8. Data indicates otherwise at ~3-4 people in a family since the 1960s. [1]
I got rid of my gas guzzler (Ford Expedition) the end of last year for this reason. I hated driving it daily to have the ability to tow our camper a few times a year. I sold them both and got a used Mitsubishi Lancer, it’s fun to drive and gets 33 mpg. Oh and it fits a family of 4, no problem. If you regularly need 3 rows and the same cargo space as a tool shed, you need to reevaluate. Lol
The jeep probably doesnt sell well because their reliability is terrible. But people will spend their money on what they want. When you become the next facist leader in america you can ban them.
why is banning a car facist? its mabe a shitty thing to do depending on what you beleave and potentially authoritarian but to be fascist requires verry specific things.
People who have children should be worried about these monstrosities. I am a full grown adult and could walk in front of large vehicles completely unnoticed, what chances do kids have unless they too are in one of the giant things. Then everyone is driving them through a desert hellscape after we’ve killed every other living thing by driving them.
I don’t even enjoy driving full-size trucks or SUVs. Though high up, they’re hard to see out of… the giant hood is on your way when off-roading and you can’t tell if you’re about to drive off a cliff. Can’t see children in front of the car, or anything behind it without a rear view cam. Poor stopping and turning, harder to park, terrible fuel economy.
Ugh… looks like rivian and range rover made an ugly baby.
How long until they start making these things the same size as buses? These vehicles getting bigger and bigger is sure gonna help ease traffic, and absolutely totally not occupy more space on the road for no good reason… ^^/s^^
Have you seen the Hummer EV? 9,000 lbs fully loaded.
It’s close to a type A school bus which starts at ~10K lbs.
The smallest school bus is known as a Type A. It carries only 10 passengers and comes in at the lower end of 10,000 pounds. Type B buses can seat up to 24 people but are the same standard size as Type A. This leads them to weigh around the same as Type A buses
Yes of course long term we will need to get rid of privately owned (but not shared) cars, but time is far in the future. Even here in NL the infrastructure just isn’t there for it. Yet.
And we have no real government at the moment, and god help us with the elections coming up.
Which is why shared cars as opposed to everyone or every household owning one makes sense. You’ll be more thoughtful of when you need it rather than using it because it’s always there.
This creates availability issues for me and demand of cars issues for the market which translate immediately in loss of jobs for those who work in the sector, even mechanics and the ones who change your tires. Also the sentence “you’ll be more thoughtful of when you need it” doesn’t make sense. If I need it and it’s not there what am I supposed to do? Oh, well I should have thought about it. How could I know when I needed it? And I’m not too fond of people in general. Having some stranger drive my, ehm, our car? No.
Mechanics are going to be downsized with all the EV sales anyway. They just don’t need as much maintenance. I have had a Chevy Bolt since 2018. I haven’t had any routine maintenance, and I’ve just had to take the thing to the dealership once for a major recall, where they just flashed the BIOS. Admittedly, I don’t drive near as much as I used to, I’ve only put 60,000 miles on the ODO so far.
That leaves out a ton of people from dealerships to engineers, from body repairs shops to carwashes, from manufacture to after market components. And we’ve got two cars per household. Let’s see how it goes with a quarter or less that. No.
I love statements like this. It’s basically someone just deciding that gravity is inconvenient, so it won’t apply to them.
The world is on fire dude, and the only way it doesn’t get worse (we’re not even talking about fixing it at this point) is to dramatically change the way we live. Private car ownership is a big part of that. Your preference for living in a way incompatible with life on the planet does not entitle you to it.
But here’s the good news: you can still have a private car. You can even live in a distant suburb and the car can run on gasoline… but you’re going to have to pay for it. And you’re going to pay the actual cost to society for that preference, so it’s going to be very, very expensive.
Or you know, you can just take the train and plan your roadtrip holidays in advance.
Let’s share everything then: PCs, pianos, houses. No, a car is something too personal to be shared. I smoke, the stranger doesn’t what happens? Or vice versa. He breaks the car who pays? Legal disputes. I need the car he’s using it, what am I to do? It can work for workers from the same office. One car brings 4, it’s ok. Other than that, forget about it. Not to mention the economics at play. A whole industry would collapse. If there’s something I learned in this life is that money comes before everything else. Trying to save this planet as I watch more and more people install AC in their house is hilarious. Colder for you, hotter for everyone else. And the planet. We’ll never save ourselves. There’ll be harsh selection. And lastly, if even EVs are a problem I dunno what else to try. Public transport doesn’t get everywhere, it never will, so it’s not a solution. Oh, and we’re not talking about gravity.
The sharing concept is more like a Uber type deal, there is always a car available sort of thing. It’s not really a sharing with a neighbor or family member type thing where you are SOL if the shared car is not in your driveway.
Dutchman here. Our government has been systematically gutting funding for public transport. I have to extend my commute from 40 minutes to 2 hours if I want to take public transport. It’s also unreliable and outrageously expensive since they run it through the “free market”.
Fuck cars but there’s also no way in hell I will sell my car before they introduce some massive changes to our public transport.
I used to live there back in 2015. What’re the prices for intercity trains these days? I remember NL trains being very cheap (€20 Amsterdam to Mastricht). Here in the UK is £50 from Cambridge to London (roughly a ⅓ the distance) so I hope you’re still doing better than here
With that said, I hope you get some more green/left types in government this time around. I’m watching your election closely from here!
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