theKalash, (edited )

To connect two USB-A ports.

Basically the same as a USB-A to USB-A cable, just really short.

BorgDrone,

USB-A to USB-A cables do not exist, the USB standard does not allow them, if you have a cable with two USB-A connectors then it’s not actually a certified USB cable. The same goes for USB extension cables and this adapter. Note how there isn’t a ‘USB certified’ logo on the package.

theKalash,

USB-A to USB-A cables do not exist

wtf are you talking about, of course they do.

BorgDrone,

Show me where in the USB standards these are specified.

theKalash,

They cables and exist and they work. So being “specified” doesn’t mean jack shit.

BorgDrone,

They might sometimes work. They aren’t guaranteed to work.

mihnt,
@mihnt@lemmy.world avatar
starman2112,

This is like saying that a building isn’t a building if it’s not up to code

evidences,

Or like saying usb-a to usb-c adapters don’t exist because they’re not part of the standard but we all have like six of those damn things even though we’ve never actually bought a single one.

BorgDrone,

But those are actually part of the standard.

evidences,

Are they? Everything I can find seems to say they aren’t.

I remember when the first usb-c Macbooks hit stores Apple didn’t have usb-a to c adapters for sale because they weren’t in spec, a lot of reviews mentioned that.

BorgDrone, (edited )

You can find compliance requirements in the document linked here: usb.org/…/usb-type-c-connectors-and-cable-assembl…

You want to look at table 3-6 for requirements for USB-C to legacy USB adapters.

SpaceNoodle, (edited )

The cables exist; they just don’t follow the standard. I’ve used them when developing consumer electronics: the host controller on the device switches to device mode in the bootloader, allowing a host machine to connect and debug/flash the device.

guidedlight,

USB-A to USB-A cables do exist.

I have seen many (very cheap) peripherals use USB-A sockets. I figure those sockets must be a few cents cheaper than alternatives.

BorgDrone,

And there was a USB certified logo on these cables and devices?

ninjan,

China stuff loves to slap logos on there that do not apply, so probably without having seen this particular abomination myself. Fake CE markings are super common though.

DrQuint, (edited )

USB-A to USB-A doesn’t exist

looks at old charger from an American device

HOLY SHIT A CRYPTID CALL SCP

BorgDrone,

That’s not a USB charger.

DrQuint, (edited )

HOLY SHIT AN UNIDENTIFIED CRYPTID CALL SCOOBYDOO!

bigbangfieri,
@bigbangfieri@lemmy.world avatar

They do exist, despite the USB standards not allowing them

See: cheapo video capture card for work, other side is just HDMI-IN and OUT

They shouldn’t exist but don’t mean they don’t when you get the cheapest little devices you can find

BorgDrone, (edited )

They do exist, despite the USB standards not allowing them

A USB cable is a cable that conforms to the USB specification. If a cable does not conform to the USB specification then it isn’t an USB cable by definition

I’m not saying a cable with 2 USB-A style connectors doesn’t exist, I’m just saying that it is not a USB cable. Just like a glass of Pepsi is not a glass of Coca-Cola even though it may look like one.

squiblet,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

It’s not hard to imagine a product that would require one, though. It’s how every phone charging cable works, just with a different size male USB on one end.

BorgDrone, (edited )

It’s how every phone charging cable works, just with a different size male USB on one end.

No, it’s exactly not how every phone charging cable works, at least not for non USB-C cables.

Pre-USB-C cables are explicitly unidirectional. In USB there are ‘hosts’ (usually computers) and ‘devices’ (flashdrives, camera’s, mice, keyboards, etc.). The host side always has a female USB-A connector, a device either has a female USB-B connector (if it’s intended to be used with a cable), or a male USB-A (if it’s intended to be plugged in directly into a host, like a flash drive). A real, standard-conformant USB cable can only go from USB-A male to USB-B male (with the addition of USB-C, it can also go from A-to-C, from C-to-B, or C-to-C). Never A-to-A or B-to-B, extension cables (male to female) of any type, A, B or C, are not allowed either.

USB was specifically designed like this so you can never connect a device to a device or a host to a host.

On the host side, you pretty much only see full size USB-A ports. On the device side there are 3 common types of USB-B ports: standard size (you can for example see these on printers and scanners), mini-USB-B used a lot on older phones, and later micro-USB-B. On each side the male part is on the cable, the female part is on the host or device.

yoo,

The way these are called male and female has always been so wild

Frigid,

Don’t know what to tell you, people just kinda tend to be horny.

klingelstreich,
@klingelstreich@feddit.de avatar

It‘s a pretty good metaphor I‘d say and less bland than calling them plug and socket.

trailing9,

Sometimes you have a female to female cable.

fubarx,

So your pets can’t chew the hard-disk cables.

Unless you have a pet rabbit.

Franzia,

Say gex

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

gex

metaStatic,

haha, gross

mayflower,

Hey gexy

magic_lobster_party,

Gex 3D: Enter the Gecko

flakeshake, (edited )

Such A-to-A adaptors and cables always have been prohibited by the USB spec, but people built them anyway. A common usecase for “illegal” A-A cables i remember was connecting PCIe cards (especially GPUs and mining cards) externally to riser sockets.

accideath,

I have an external 3,5“ HDD enclosure that needs a male to male USB 3.0 A cable to plug into a PC. Still wondering, why they didn’t use B…

evidences,

I bought a breadboard power supply and the options to feed it power are a barrel jack and usb-a. Considering the size of the thing mini or micro would have made way more sense.

IsoKiero,

The ones I have go trough the onboard voltage regulator and you can use them to power USB-devices. I suppose they’ve skipped diodes and other protective components so it can feed back to the circuit, but I haven’t tested that.

lud,

That’s really odd. Why use a host connector when a client connector is intended for the purpose.

Did they entirely miss the purpose of USB?

accideath,

Cost? A USB-A 3.0 connector is probably a few cents cheaper than a B 3.0 connector

lud,

Yeah, it must be that.

I_Miss_Daniel,
@I_Miss_Daniel@kbin.social avatar

I have a similar caddy. Many years old now. The connection to the host computer is a USB-A female, so connecting it requires a male to male cable.

slazer2au,

So you have 2 USBC devices you want to connect together, a laptop and a phone for example, but for some reason you can’t find your USBC to USBC cable but you do have 2 USBC to USBA cables.

Well by breaking the USB specifications you can connect the 2 cables together to make a janky USBC to USBC cable.

Alternatively you can get single circuit boards with USBA ports on them and you can use this jank of an adaptor to link them together.

brunofin, (edited )

I have a cheap HDMI capture device that takes in video input, exposes it to the computer as a regular webcam, and then outputs it back to HDMI. It gets the job done.

It uses an USB male to male for power, and a regular one for data.

That said, not sure how a short one like that would help.

kuneho,
@kuneho@lemmy.world avatar

I had an old Medion digital camera that used USB-A - USB-A cable for synching with PC.

This could be a shorter version of it, tho idk why would anyone use this for thus purpose, would be awkward

nicocool84,

Ass-to-ass.

DarkDarkHouse,
@DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Docking

RHOPKINS13,

I actually have a APC UPS at work that uses a USB-A to USB-A cable. You can look up the cable online, it's part number 940-0504. I was surprised APC used such a cable. I think if you tried to do something dumb like connect two PCs together with it, one of the USB ports would fry.

Rin,

pretty sure i tried it as a kid and nothing happened.

Z4rK,

I’ve used them for extension, as it allows you to attach a second, regular USB cable to it.

salton,

Yeah, these kinds of little gendered connectors seem pointless until you absolutely need them for something specific then they’re priceless.

moody,

They’re not priceless, they’re $3.00

geophysicist,

It’s a banana, how much could it cost?

MotoAsh,

In this case, less so, because any normal A to A cable would do the same thing, just with more room to spare.

Agreed in general, though. I have so many random audio and video adaptors that I’ve used a surprising number of times.

Summzashi, (edited )

It’s supposedly cheaper than a cable.

iAmTheTot,
@iAmTheTot@kbin.social avatar

Well, what do you mean by "regular"? The cable would need to be female on at least one end, which I usually see in... USB extension cables.

LesserAbe,

Not that you probably need to know this, but for some other stranger: there’s a max functional length to USB cables. At work I remember pulling my hair out troubleshooting a printer until we swapped cables for something shorter.

Polar,

Meanwhile I have 25ft cables running my large format vinyl printers lol

sysadmin420,

My large format vinyl printer uses Ethernet. TIL there are USB vinyl printers. What kind of printer do you have? Latex 260 here

squiblet,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

We had a 53" US Cutter and it attached to the computer by USB. If we're talking about the same thing.

sysadmin420, (edited )

He said printer though that’s what’s what threw me off. That’s a cutter. My bad I thought he was talking about a USB large format printer, I only replied because I’m looking for a slightly smaller printer for my smaller decals, and I’d be interested in a serial or USB printer.

My PC is in the basement and I’ve got USB and serial going everywhere running different cutters, 3d printers, CNC, etc upstairs and down, also in the garage. Works great.

BigDanishGuy,

And that max length goes down with each coupling.

We have smart boards in most classrooms, but in an entire wing of my department the smart board doesn’t work. Reason? When we built the wing, 8 or 10 years ago, the installers fitted their own low grade plugs on the USB connection for the boards, before figuring out that they snipped the cables too short. Instead of running new cabling the installers then introduced another extension.

Nobody cared to check it out before accepting delivery and my complaints went unheard by management, until it was too late to RMA it.

DaPorkchop_,

That said, there are “active” USB extension cables which draw current from the power lines and use it to boost the signal along the data lines

Hellstormy,
@Hellstormy@lemmy.world avatar

Have you never just wanted to plug 2 PCs into each other back to back?

whoisearth,

Ass to ass as it were

Artaca,

))><((

CmdrShepard,

$ $ $ $ $ $ $

galaxi,

I’m so happy people still know this movie.

Buffalobuffalo,

Back and forth, forever.

x4740N,

If you think about it, this is the USB equivalent of a double ended dildo

stebo02,
@stebo02@sopuli.xyz avatar

does this mean there’s also double ended flesh lights?

n00b001,

Isn’t that the nickname of your mum?

ShellMonkey,
@ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com avatar

Not one that short but I do have A to A cord like that in use. In my case it’s with a KVM that I lost and AC adapter for but found that if I plugged in to one of the rear console connections it could get it to power on from the USB device. Cable it to a USB charging port on the front of one of the UPS and away it goes.

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