Why do people act like coffee in the morning is such a sacred routine but soda in the morning [basically the same drink] is lowbrow and unhealthy?
like, it’s caffeine and water and brown, who cares. i drink diet soda so it’s no calories, no sugar. versus the stereotype starbucks order, why is soda so demonized
the whole sort of basically woo stuff about oh there’s antioxidants there which give you a 3% lower risk of skin cancer after the age of 65 like come on that doesn’t count
In this context may also be relevant discussions among coffee enthusiasts who talk about this and that chemical process during the brewing process, lending it a bitter or rich taste – the coffee is full of chemicals.
I’m allergic to the word “chemicals” in discussions such as this, because it is too vague to define anything specific. It generally is used as a degradation of a thing that the speaker doesn’t like. But that’s all there is to it. The speaker can just as well say “I’m suspicious of this thing that you hold there”, and this communicates exactly the same thing, maybe with a bit more care about ones words.
The distinction between natural and artificial is just as arbitrary. All the “plant derived” non-sugar sweeteners taste super weird to me and some give me a headache
they’re really proving my point. just this pure implicit bias for the stodgy adult drink that is functionally the same as soda - it’s liquid with caffeine
You probably should’ve asked this in !NoStupidQuestions…
The two beverages are not the same. Coffee can be served with or without milk/cream and sugar, but even with sugar, it has far less than is in soda. It also has a significantly higher quantity of caffeine.
People aren’t downvoting you because you drink soda; it’s because you asked a dumb question with a ridiculous and blatantly incorrect take. Just drink soda and don’t worry about what other people think. There’s not some mass of people judging you. No one cares if you drink soda in the morning…
But it’s just preposterous to be claiming they’re the same beverage or that soda is as effective as coffee at waking people up. How about milk and soda? Are they the same beverage? What about root beer and beer? Your argument is just blatantly false and silly. That’s why you’re being downvoted.
i was under the impression that ‘casual conversation’ meant ‘not necessarily being chastized for asking a lighthearted question without literally citing sources like i’m writing a thesis’
You made an absolutely absurd claim. It didn’t seem like it to you, whixh is obvious now, but that was not a lighthearted comment more like it was a slap in the face.
At least, all the people responding seem to have taken it as a challenge
People downvoting your question proves your point? That’s all it takes? Then what the fuck have we been wasting our time for?
Someone, call science quick! We can save them so much time and energy if they don’t need to do all that rigorous testing anymore, they can just ask the internet and see if it gets upvoted and downvoted!
Call the judges and cops and lawyers! They don’t need evidence or proof anymore, we can all just vote and that will prove if someone committed triple homicide clear as day on camera or not!
Carbonated anything is bad for your bones and teeth, long term. That’s not avoidable by drinking diet soda. Artificial sweeteners have been shown to still cause simular effects in the body to actual sugar in some cases, and other health issues over time.
Coffee drinks as typically ordered at Starbucks are also filled with unhealthy additions and should be treats, not daily staples. Plain drip coffee taken black is healthier, but rather gross, yet I know people who drink it
I’m team tea, myself. Definitely the superior drink. Actually strengthens your teeth (stains them yet makes them stronger) if you dont add sugar. Just don’t carbonate it or add too much other stuff to it if you’re after health.
I drink black coffee, americanos or espresso. No milks, no sugar. Either you like coffee or you like milk and sugar. Might as well have a hot chocolate at that point.
Because people aren’t pouring 30-40 grams of sugar into their coffee. Also artificial sweeteners taste like shit and haven’t been proven to not cause other health issues.
Oh god dude you’d kill us so quick in the pharmaceutical industry.
EVERYTHING is trying to kill us, were lucky when something doesn’t - so assuming a chemical we randomly made that tastes like sugar doesn’t emulate it 100% isn’t unreasonable
(and what do you know, there even are links between aspartame in diet coke and cancer)
The statement you think is supporting your belief is actually saying the opposite. WHO specifically does not claim that aspartame cause cancer.
However, what they did state is there was no reason to change the recommended acceptable daily intake level of 40 mg per kg of body weight per day .
Also, The FDA disagrees with IARC’s (what you refer to as WHO) conclusion that these studies support classifying aspartame as a possible carcinogen to humans. FDA scientists reviewed the scientific information included in IARC’s review in 2021 when it was first made available and identified significant shortcomings in the studies on which IARC relied. FDA also pointed out that JECF (also WHO) did not raise safety concerns for aspartame under the current levels of use and did not change the Acceptable Daily Intake (ADI).
So yeah… Just believing journalists trying to click bait you is probably more likely to give you cancer than following the recommendation from WHO regarding daily intake of aspartame.
I just love how you end with “I have zero reason to listen to you” when no one has claimed such a thing and you were the one choosing to do the listening.
All of this because of me pointing out that WHO still claims that there is a daily amount of aspartame that is safe to consume and that the only thing you can prove is that something is unsafe and not the other way around.
By the way… If you think we should avoid aspartame because there is a suspicion that it might cause cancer I can imagine what you think about sugar, animal fat and protein which there is actual proof that it can cause everything from heart disease to cancer.
I didn’t mention any regulatory bodies specifically, cause health should be generally referenced from as many sources as possible - but all those numbers are based on theoretical doses on rats, your coefficient of safety is gonna be that close to the theoretical??
Especially when there’s probably billions in companies like coke and Pepsi on the line, yet were still trending in the direction of stricter classification - you’re gonna risk your entire health on there being no bias???
You use a (heavily questioned) statement of an organization as a base for your claims when the organization explicitly doesn’t support your conclusion. It’s a fact that WHO still claims there is no dangers consuming the recommended daily amount.
The method used on rats to estimate the dangers is the method used when estimating dangers every other substances. So the argument is valid as long as you claim that every other substance cause cancer.
Then you end up nibbling on edges of the classic “the great aspartame conspiracy” but what you totally miss that “big sugar” is even more powerfull…
People love their social norms. You wouldn’t believe the shit I got when I stopped eating breakfast. “Most important meal of the day!” I feel great fasting and don’t miss it at all. I’ll eat cereal for dinner. You have a fucking diet soda in the morning if you want.
I am usually cold in the morning, and thus prefer a hot drink.
Soda is carbonated, and too much carbonation can cause esophageal issues (I have actually had this from too many carbonated drinks, it’s not just a fabricated boogeyman).
Coffee with a modest amount of creamer (I do half a shot of coffeemate vanilla bean) is definitely healthier than soda, whether regular, diet, zero etc.
All that said, I will have a soda instead if we run out of either coffee or creamer. Vanilla Coke zero sugar is my go-to in that instance.
I really don’t care about how people feel about something I drink and I don’t care what they drink. I think coffee tastes nasty so I stick to sodas and tea for breakfast
So… you should like… avoid obvious signs of it? We have little wiggle room? wdym by this dog there’s defiantly an area between cancer riddled and 100% healthy
That WHO study is highly problematic. It has some fairly serious methodological flaws. It’s been disputed by the FDA. It is biased due to the panel comprising:
eight WHO panelists involved with assessing safe levels of aspartame consumption who are beverage industry consultants who currently or previously worked with the alleged Coke front group, International Life Sciences Institute (Ilsi).
We don’t. It’s been studied for decades and all they could come up with was that “in massive quantities it’s possible it might cause cancer”. Which is shit. Everything in massive quantities breaks something.
Everything anout energy drinks’ branding screams unhealthy. Even their advertising is focused on partying and extreme sports, it’s like they want you to increase your chances of dying young.
That being said, the actual evidence of energy drinks being particularly unhealthy is kind of mixed.
Contrary to popular belief, diet soda is completely fine in moderation (like 20 cans per day limit), assuming your teeth/guts can handle the acidity. Source: www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCDqqVwYMa4
Coffee typically doesn’t have much or any sugar in it. It’s caffeine, water, milk. It has more caffeine than soda so it feels better to take it in the morning
I get that it’s a youtube video but Dr Mike knows his stuff. He goes through WHO’s recommendations and gives his practical input on the matter.
His background -
Cofounder of Renaissance Periodization, Dr. Mike Israetel holds a PhD in Sport Physiology from East Tennessee State University.
Currently a professor in the strength and hypertrophy masters program at Lehman College, Mike has taught several courses at multiple universities, including Nutrition for Public Health, Advanced Sports Nutrition and Exercise, and Nutrition and Behavior.
Originally from Moscow, Russia, he has worked as a consultant on sports nutrition to the U.S. Olympic Training Site in Johnson City, TN, and has been an invited speaker at numerous scientific and performance/health conferences worldwide, including nutritional seminars at the U.S. Olympic Training Center in Lake Placid, NY. Mike has coached numerous athletes and busy professionals in both diet and weight training, and is himself a competitive bodybuilder and professional Brazilian Jiu Jitsu grappler.
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