Has the Reddit exodus killed the former Lemmy culture?

When I first started using Lemmy it seemed like such a nice place with interesting discussions. It seemed like the first group of people to join after the app exodus were being quite careful to be respectful of the existing culture.

Now, it seems as though the culture from Reddit has completely replaced it. Toxicity and all. I will say I do follow a lot of communities from a wide range of instances so it’s clearly not everywhere.

Am I the only one who’s feeling like we’ve just stormed in and bulldozed Lemmy?

BruceTwarzen,

I love when people say they are glad they are bot on reddit anymore and create a new one. Suddenly everything sounds like reddit again. Artporn, foodporn, earthporn we get it you are 16

cedarmesa, (edited )
@cedarmesa@lemmy.world avatar

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Ab_intra,
@Ab_intra@lemmy.world avatar

I find Lemmy much better than Reddit. But this comes down to what communities you follow in my view.

Nemo,

I can’t compare the two, since I swore off political munis at the same time I migrated. That alone makes for a much better experience.

rufus,

Yes. The old culture has completely been replaced. I still haven’t formed an 100% opinion on whether that’s good or bad. Maybe it’s neither.

sexy_peach,
@sexy_peach@feddit.de avatar

I don’t think so. I used to post every day so there would at least be some content. Now I don’t feel like that’s necessary anymore. I like it more now.

AttackBunny,

I think I agree. When I first moved here everyone was so nice, respectful, and willing to have an actual dialogue. Now it feels more like Reddit where when you say something every just immediately jumps to shitting on you, even if they interpret what you said wrong, or if they disagree. I also feel like there are a lot more of the “well, akshewally….” Types here now. There also seems to be people who honestly can’t grasp this isn’t Reddit, and brought the same mentality/trends with them.

qooqie,

The smaller communities are still very nice. I keep my subscribed to mostly smaller communities and then I go to all if I feel like it. Try that and see if it help!

Levsgetso,

I definitely agree. I pointed out that [email protected] is becoming more and more like AskReddit and I got downvoted and got these sarcastic and obnoxious responses that are typical for reddit

amio,

No. Apart from the relentless political posting, you-know-what-instance and a small handful of other people being obviously bad faith actors, I actually think it's a chill, relatively nice little place. A bunch of people will have Opinions and not be too shy about them, I figure that's fine as long as they're not aggressively off-topic, offputtingly angry or shared in a douchebaggy way. I haven't seen much outright incivility so far, whereas Reddit is a fucking constant shit blizzard.

I do hope we'll stay vigilant about astroturfing and bad faith participation, though, because it wouldn't take much to ruin the whole thing. "Redditism" is a natural-ish development for any large website if there's not a strong culture for resisting it, but it did become abruptly and noticeably worse once it turned into a pawn in the 2016 US election. Politics, as always, is the mind killer.

atlasraven31,

The Reddit refugees came to Lemmy and made content. And everyone had a good time, except the occasional people that bitch about toxicity.

Greg,
@Greg@lemmy.ca avatar

You aspects of Reddit’s toxic culture have you observed on Lemmy?

Yoryo,

I've noticed trends like AttackBunny has described. Either you post a copy and paste response in a thread or risk the wrath of like 4 or 5 people just waiting to shit on your beliefs. Certain people aren't looking for discussions just opportunities to stroke their egos.

can,

SFW community with a “-porn” suffix. “updoot”.

rusticus,

Hexbear and lemmy.grad were there before and are as toxic as any reddit sub I’ve ever been in.

maegul,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

From what I can gather it isn’t true that Reddit culture has completely supplanted what came before, but it has definitely shifted things overall, both mixing to some extent. Scale is part of that though, as is the filtering mechanisms provided by a relatively niche platform.

Antagonistic downvoting (I’m now basically against downvoting I think), superficial statements, especially those that are dismissively in disagreement to the point of unpleasantness or abusiveness … I’d say I’ve seen more of all these things.

One effect, I think, is the establishment of Reddit replacement communities and their gaining large membership which has shifted the centre of gravity here. The whole of lemmy.world being an example.

Besides all of that, I’d say I’ve seen the generally or more frequently presumed set of “obvious” opinions shift toward the mainstream, which isn’t surprising at all, but with a slightly ruder and superficial form of engagement (at times at least), it’s rather tiring.

schwim,
@schwim@reddthat.com avatar

Echo chambers are echo chambers, no matter the platform. As the voices grow, it gets louder. Just because it’s an alternative to the mainstream, I wouldn’t consider the members here smarter, more enlightened or savvier as a whole. Lemmy just got louder, that’s all.

Spiracle,
@Spiracle@kbin.social avatar

Kbin user here. It does not federate downvotes from lemmy. So far, I have a total of two (2) downvotes and every single interaction, including the one I got downvoted for, was quite positive.

No toxicity in normal interactions so far. The only (slightly) toxic comment sections were regarding meta topics of users complaining about toxicity elsewhere and/or wanting to defederate more communities. Even those discussions were nearly entirely polite and productive.

The only somwhat toxic topic I participated in was when one car-enthusiast complained about the fuckcars community and got called out throughout the comment section. Piling on like that was probably not the best way and they deleted their post some time after.

Candelestine,

Personally I did notice a change in tone, but it wasn’t the reddit influx, it was a couple weeks later, around the time the hacks started.

zeppo, (edited )
@zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

I am relatively new here, having embraced Lemmy after fleeing reddit in June. During my short tenure I have observed a change in culture and decline in politeness and respect for others. However, I think that some claims about the rise of toxic behavior are overstated.

In any event, it’s like a city growing from 500 people to 5,000, or from 50,000 people to 500,000. Of course the culture is going to be changed. Such growth is important to avoid stagnation and death by attrition, however. I think at this point Lemmy has achieved a critical mass where it is likely to continue growing. When people ask “how can we grow Lemmy faster or further”, though, I question whether that is really a good idea. Sites like reddit are somewhat too large, which is great for niche interests but fairly horrible for the most popular communities.

rikudou,
@rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

Except for a few power-tripping mods and admins I haven’t seen much of Reddit culture here. And the blatant copy of r/place was a little cringe (especially as it was introduced with “let’s create our own customs!”).

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