Has the Reddit exodus killed the former Lemmy culture?

When I first started using Lemmy it seemed like such a nice place with interesting discussions. It seemed like the first group of people to join after the app exodus were being quite careful to be respectful of the existing culture.

Now, it seems as though the culture from Reddit has completely replaced it. Toxicity and all. I will say I do follow a lot of communities from a wide range of instances so it’s clearly not everywhere.

Am I the only one who’s feeling like we’ve just stormed in and bulldozed Lemmy?

MargotRobbie,
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

Lemmy doesn’t have a collective culture. Each instance has it’s own culture or will develop it over time, even though a lot of reddit vestige remains. (It’s only been like 2 months)

I don’t think toxicity ever will get too bad here, for the simple fact that if you don’t like the say, c/politics of one instance, you are always free to go to the c/politics of another instance or even start your own.

Eventually, the toxic instances/community will bleed users and die out, defed is a factor but doesn’t have too much to do with this.

demlet,

I thought the point of Lemmy was that people could make their own instance if they don’t like what’s on offer. It can be whatever people want it to be, and none of those are mutually exclusive.

foggy,

This is such an “us vs them” mindset and it just doesn’t work that way.

Reddit dominated internet culture for ~15 years. Reddit culture is just what internet culture is now. Any internet community that grows to a sufficient size will begin to exhibit the dominant internet culture.

Things aren’t black and white.

starlinguk,
@starlinguk@kbin.social avatar

Reddit used to be "nice". Then it became toxic. And now the toxic asshats are here and the moderators do nothing.

Blaze,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Feel free to report toxic behaviour. I do, and usually see toxicity removed and/or banned

Dark_Arc,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

Yup, moderators need to know!

Femcowboy,

As a movement/fandom/website gets bigger the more bad actors there will be within it. There’s also less consequences to ones reputation for being rude to others when a community gets larger because there are more people in the community you haven’t been rude to yet that you can still have positive interactions with.

I don’t think it’s something carried over specifically from reddit or its community but rather just what naturally happens (which also happened on reddit,) as communities get larger. They become more and more reflective of people at large, and right now people aren’t doing so hot.

wesker,
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It’s the politics, and the siloing as a result.

JasSmith,

Anything politics related is incredibly toxic. I've received death threats for having the wrong political opinions.

echo64,

Maybe don’t go around expunging your weirdo transphobia, hate against Muslims and refugees, and you won’t encounter as much toxicity.

givesomefucks,

Lots of people think “free speech” means they can say anything they want and everyone has to pretend it’s a rational well thought opinion…

Their version of “free speech” ends when they stop speaking, and they want to force everyone to listen to it and not call them a dumbass or bigot.

It’s that low empathy thing.

They want free speech for themselves but not anyone that disagrees with them.

Not to mention social media is private corporations. Like, if you go to Walmart and start screaming about how birds aren’t real, Walmart don’t have to let you stand there and scream all you want. They can just make you leave. Which is the equivalent of banning.

Chozo,

It's always the 'phobes that have the biggest hard-ons for free speech. I wonder why that is.

Ensign_Crab,

It’s always the 'phobes that have the biggest hard-ons for free speech.

Until there’s a book about gay penguins in a library.

FARTYSHARTBLAST,
@FARTYSHARTBLAST@kbin.social avatar

Expunging? Doesn't that mean to get rid of?

squiblet,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

I have received a death threat for having opinions about medical conditions, so... it's just sort of how it works talking to the public on the internet. People who work in retail may now and then receive death threats for serving coffee.

starlinguk,
@starlinguk@kbin.social avatar

Ah yeah I'm afraid we don't take the high road anymore. It's not worked. Probably because "the libs" have realised that y'all don't have a better nature to appeal to.

(And something tells me you're projecting)

GammaGames,

Beehaw is still pretty nice :) The moderation is part of why I joined it. I’ve definitely noticed other community getting toxic comments in the past few weeks, though

intensely_human,

If a place is moderated so heavily that is has no nasty comments, I wonder what else is being moderated away?

Micromot,
@Micromot@lemmycook.de avatar

Just look at the modlogs and you can see what is deleted

GammaGames,

Lol k

INHALE_VEGETABLES,

It’s the circle of life. Something awful, the digg exodus, reddit, Twitter/x. Think of us shit posters as a sign of lemmy success.

roguetrick,

Us goons really shit up everywhere we show up don't we.

cstine,

Goons are responsible for the destruction of so many good things on the internet. Best $10 I’ve ever spent.

birdpatch,

I think it’s still much too small to have that problem honestly

intensely_human,

Can you link to a few comments or posts that you think represent this nasty reddit culture?

ren, (edited )
@ren@lemmy.world avatar

It’s scale.

Scale is the enemy of social networks. All of them, including Lemmy.

Let’s say 0.1% of the population are just straight up assholes who ruin everything.

If you only got 100 people on a site, no one is an asshole.

1000 people? Well now you got that asshole Andy in the group. Fucking Andy. But we can deal with him.

But we scale up to 1,000,000? Well now you got 1000 fucking assholes to deal with!

atlasraven31,

If my math is right, it should be 1,000 assholes at the end.

Kecessa,

Stop being an asshole Andy!

ren,
@ren@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah. Morning math got me stupid. lol. Edited!

r00ty,
@r00ty@kbin.life avatar

I don't want to be that asshole Andy. But 0.1% of 1,000,000 is 1000. :P

atlasraven31,

imgur.io/5qnfUdo?r

ren,
@ren@lemmy.world avatar

Derp! Thanks!!

rikudou,
@rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

Well, thanks a bunch, Andy.

dogebread,

So you’re saying it’s proportional all the way up and not a big deal, or people love assholes and upvote all their material and comments for greater proportional impact?

If anything I would argue that the first and early adopters are less likely to be assholes, to where eventually you reach that tipping point and move back towards the average, which feels worse in what is a collection of niche communities, because the average engages slightly different content than early adopters.

Moreso, I think it’s just confirmation bias. OP is hyper sensitive to a change in the culture so every example of it weighs a little more.

To be clear, like most things, I don’t think it’s one thing or another; a little from A, a little from B, and probably a slew of other factors.

givesomefucks,

The bigger an asshole someone is, the more theyre going to comment…

One asshole is just one asshole, but 100 assholes are going to make more comments than 1,000 normal users.

Which makes it look like there are 10x as many assholes as there really is.

atlasraven31,

I want to jump in and say that people do love assholes. You need look no further than celebrities and the people that hang on their every word.

danhakimi,
@danhakimi@kbin.social avatar

You mean the circle-jerk of six tankies talking about how the West is the definition of evil? Is that the former Lemmy culture you're talking about? I don't remember there being anything worth mourning.

postmeridiem,

🤓

Karmmah,
@Karmmah@lemmy.world avatar

I read that some people on here go about it by blocking accounts that are repeatedly toxic. I like this approach since it directly improves your own feed and if a lot of people do it with time the reduced exposure these accounts get could improve the platform as a whole.

notfromhere,

I, myself, have a blocklist a mile long. Communities as well as users. It’s made my mental health go way up. Some may argue I’m in an echo chamber but I much prefer conversations with pleasant and/or likeminded people to getting verbally shat all over.

Adderbox76,

The important thing to understand is that Lemmy doesn’t have an inherent culture. Nor does Reddit, or Twitter, or Mastodon, or any other platform.

They are communities, and communities naturally change as they scale.

So yes, of course Lemmy had changed. But I’d argue that the inherent strength of the whole concept of “federation” is that any one particular instance only has to witness as much or as little of that change as they want to.

If you don’t like where Lemmy as a whole is going, find (or create) an instance that agrees with you and de-federates from most others. win-win.

The point is that you are responsible for your own particular Lemmy experience in ways that you never were on Reddit.

TORFdot0,

I came at the beginning of the Reddit exodus in June and I haven’t noticed necessarily a shift to Reddit’s culture as it’s grown but more of just the general toxicity that comes along with a platform growing to a certain size.

There is a lot more trolls and likewise people who won’t engage civilly with someone who has an opposing view (because why would you when there is a good chance the other person is just a troll?). I feel like the reaction to Lemmy.world blocking piracy communities or most instances degenerating from Hexbear have shown me that.

Lemmy culture still seems to be intact. A lot of posting is still tech focused and the is still a lot of good discussion. It just seems like a lot of posts that make “Hot” on the All feed tend to be more combative or politically charged.

Driftking,

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