Has the Reddit exodus killed the former Lemmy culture?

When I first started using Lemmy it seemed like such a nice place with interesting discussions. It seemed like the first group of people to join after the app exodus were being quite careful to be respectful of the existing culture.

Now, it seems as though the culture from Reddit has completely replaced it. Toxicity and all. I will say I do follow a lot of communities from a wide range of instances so it’s clearly not everywhere.

Am I the only one who’s feeling like we’ve just stormed in and bulldozed Lemmy?

ToroidalX,

Everyone wants to pretend like the ones who left reddit where the good guys. Most of them just want the same thing: attention, controversy and bad memes. We where a part of reddit and as such, we brought reddit here too. Maybe is not you or me, but there’s people out there who will bring their toxicity everywhere they go. Be it Reddit, Twitter or Lemmy

DrMango,

Nice. Lemmy is finally big enough for “Lemmy sucks now, the old days were better” posts 🥲

quinkin,

Tragedy of the commons.

mojo, (edited )

lemmy.ml on a good day had like 15 to 30 upvotes on the front page. There wasn’t much of a culture before.

See the traffic in April this year, a little over 4 months ago. Lemmy.world only been around for like 2 and a half months now. That’s the most active it’s been since before the exodus. The exodus definitely helped jumpstart the site.

thawed_caveman,

Yeah, my answer to “has the Reddit exodus killed the former Lemmy culture” is “what culture lmao”

Not that i was on Lemmy before, but i was on Mastodon before Elon bought Twitter and it was a ghost town.

linearchaos,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

It’s quickly getting more toxic and aggressive. But we’re not counting karma, so as soon as you recognize that someone is arguing with you in bad faith just block them.

spider, (edited )

It’s quickly getting more toxic and aggressive.

Can personally confirm.

linearchaos,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

Exactly. About a month ago your most likely negative reaction would be I’m not sure if I would agree with that because of x and y but I could see why you would say that. Maybe you get ± 2 votes

Now they have to die on every hill to prove you wrong no matter what you bring to the table and magically it’s -10

And you go through their history and they have a two week old account with 27 fights picked.

Hopefully they’ll get bored of making new accounts and the block lists stay strong.

MargotRobbie,
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

Lemmy doesn’t have a collective culture. Each instance has it’s own culture or will develop it over time, even though a lot of reddit vestige remains. (It’s only been like 2 months)

I don’t think toxicity ever will get too bad here, for the simple fact that if you don’t like the say, c/politics of one instance, you are always free to go to the c/politics of another instance or even start your own.

Eventually, the toxic instances/community will bleed users and die out, defed is a factor but doesn’t have too much to do with this.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

I felt that way until I found out the bigger instances aren’t even much older. Lemmy World itself apparently started as soon as the changes were announced but before any big protests began. Instances that were around even before those either were not very active to even have an established culture, or are so niche they’re not really affected.

Cethin,

Also, it’s likely that anyone on Lemmy had tried reddit prior. Lemmy doesn’t exist in a vacuum. Lemmy culture is former reddit culture to some extent, for better or worse.

Gnubyte,

Things are fine man. There’s just a lot of de federation lately which I don’t think is exactly right.

EremesZorn,

That depends entirely on what instances we are talking about. Lemmy.grad and Hexbear users have no business existing anywhere but their own shitty tankie bubble.

AlexTheTurtle,
@AlexTheTurtle@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

TRUE. fuck tankies.

Gnubyte,

Are those the super communists that are like fuck any place that’s not Russia and China? Lol

If so I guess I feel the pain but I just give em the block

RickyRigatoni,
@RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

I do too but my fingers are starting to hurt with them infesting every corner of the fediverse.

demlet,

I thought the point of Lemmy was that people could make their own instance if they don’t like what’s on offer. It can be whatever people want it to be, and none of those are mutually exclusive.

Femcowboy,

As a movement/fandom/website gets bigger the more bad actors there will be within it. There’s also less consequences to ones reputation for being rude to others when a community gets larger because there are more people in the community you haven’t been rude to yet that you can still have positive interactions with.

I don’t think it’s something carried over specifically from reddit or its community but rather just what naturally happens (which also happened on reddit,) as communities get larger. They become more and more reflective of people at large, and right now people aren’t doing so hot.

frogfruit,

After blocking most of the meme subs, I find it a pretty nice place.

pm_me_your_puppies,

Could you share that list by chance?

reason,

Just browse lemmy on all and block community which you don’t like i have blocked 526

Breezy,

Ive been thinking about doing just that. Its just the ratio of memes to news to interesting stuff is so bad on here. To many memes man.

birdpatch,

I think it’s still much too small to have that problem honestly

intensely_human,

Can you link to a few comments or posts that you think represent this nasty reddit culture?

GammaGames,

Beehaw is still pretty nice :) The moderation is part of why I joined it. I’ve definitely noticed other community getting toxic comments in the past few weeks, though

intensely_human,

If a place is moderated so heavily that is has no nasty comments, I wonder what else is being moderated away?

Micromot,
@Micromot@lemmycook.de avatar

Just look at the modlogs and you can see what is deleted

GammaGames,

Lol k

thelsim,
@thelsim@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’m one of those Reddit refugees. I can’t say anything about how things were before I got here, but I would like to add that I treat Lemmy a whole lot different from Reddit. When I joined there was plenty of talk about the lack of content, people only upvoting but not commenting, that kind of thing.
So I took this as a sign that I should be more of a participant and not the three-posts-to-my-name lurker that I was at Reddit. And I saw similar motivations with other users. So I do hope that at least part of the refugees have added a positive influence, and more so than they ever did when they were still using Reddit.

andrewrgross,

Also, to add to this: culture is a living thing, like people and ecosystems. Change is inherent and healthy.

It’s totally reasonable to debate whether an event brings good change or bad change, but complaining about a community being different is, imo, not healthy or rational.

Harrison,

We can, through collective effort, precipitate change away from or reverse negative change, and the first step to that is complaining about it.

Nugget,

Same here. I vote on almost every post I see, even if I’m not interested, based on if I think it’s a good fit for the community. On Reddit I just upvoted things I liked

thelsim,
@thelsim@sh.itjust.works avatar

I meant more like writing comments and posting things, but I like that you’re making a conscious effort to do better so do whatever you feel comfortable with :)

d3Xt3r,

Votes don’t matter much here, because there isn’t enough content in the first place. Votes mattered on Reddit because there was too much content, and small posts would never be seen unless you’re browsing by new. Also, people farmed karma so that they could resell their accounts, or access karma-restricted subs. No such incentives here.

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