Hello guys, I need to take a break from Lemmy. Lately, I’ve become attached to it, a part of the community (which is probably good). Unfortunately, it triggers fear of missing out (FOMO) lately for me. Don’t get me wrong, Lemmy has become the most wonderful community on the Internet, but this time, I need a break from the...
You could say I’ve been taking a break from Lemmy too. From being on basically all the time, last week I only check in once in a couple hours to check RSS of my comms, reports and maybe the homepage for the biggest news.
I don’t see social networks as anything inherently bad, addictive or a waste of time. It may or may not be. There were times when I was a teen when I’d sit all day in front of a TV if I had nothing better to do. And when I did, I did something else. It’s the same with everything. Unless you actually start sweating and shaking, it’s not an addiction and you can just do other things whenever you want.
A lot of people seem to have forgotten (or maybe just weren’t around at the time) but there were tons of duplicate communities on reddit during the first years too. Over time their mods either agreed to close one and point everyone to the other or the less active ones faded away naturally.
One problematic scenario I can envision with that approach on Lemmy however is the mods of news@lemmysite1 and news@lemmysite2 agreeing to keep the first one alive, but then after a while lemmysite1 closes for whatever reason. So we’re left with news@lemmysite2 which is a ghost town. Probably not a big deal for a news community, but for something with a lot of info on a particular topic it’s not really ideal.
Ja, ich hab es mir gestern noch gedacht, als ich während der Kontrolle, ob meine gelöschten Kommentare usw. wirklich weiterhin gelöscht sind, ein wenig durch Reddit gestöbert habe. Es ist so, als hätte es die Änderungen und den “Protest” nie gegeben. Eigentlich tangiert es mich nicht, ich bin mit Lemmy als Software und den darauf bauenden Communities zufrieden, insbesondere mit Feddit und Beehaw. Ich merke auch, dass ich keine zig-Millionen User brauche, weil Reddit für mich vor allem immer ein News-Aggregator war, aber leider wird es bei Feddit gerade auch wieder sehr ruhig. Hoffe, dass da noch insgesamt mehr kommt. Ich merke auch, dass ich seltener kommentiere, weil es schwer ist, so wie jetzt gerade, der erste Kommentar zu sein.
It’s really annoying when bots steal content from smaller subs where the OP is asking an actual question. I know there is a good chance OP won’t see the answers given anyways, but at least there is a chance when posting in the original thread. With a repost bot, there is 0 chance OP will see the answer. Why would I want to engage with that? It’s a total waste of time.
Also repost bots were the scourge of Reddit, I actively blocked a lot of subreddits because they were mostly repost bots. With the lack of karma on Lemmy, I hoped the bots would stay away. But alas, it is not so.
I also hate the obsession with Reddit on Lemmy. People have said before, it’s like going on a date and talking about your ex the whole time. Stop talking about Reddit, don’t setup bots to blindly repost shit and forget about the whole thing.
We need to make Lemmy a success by making it an engaging place, with good content and good people. So get to posting, voting and commenting.
There are actual good bots, but they don’t usually post, only comment. The TL;DR bot is a real nice feature to have, especially when the source is a news site with so much ads and crap I can’t read the article. Reddit repost bots should be banned imho.
it seems like lately, about 80% of my all feed is the same stories posted on different communities by the same bot. This, IMHO, causes loss of OC posts by users on the feed. I want to block the bot, yet some of the news stories it posts interests me so I’m actually a little torn? I like the all feed so I can find communities I might want to subscribe to, like a lot of others. However, it is hard to find that if the feed is being overtaken by one story on every other post. On the other hand, it’s nice seeing the replies from other people on the different communities. If only there was a way to have Lemmy point to existing communities with the same name upon creation.
To me, the smaller userbase is actually a real problem. I’m willing to stick it out and hope it grows. But for over half of the subreddits I subscribe to, the corresponding lemmy communities have 0 posts this last week.
Yes, I don’t need 10k comments on my posts. But memes or mainstream news was never the big value of reddit for me - I can get these anywhere. Instead it is about the niche communities with a few thousand subscribers. And for now, I still have to use reddit for them.
I follow damn near every community on lemmy that I followed on reddit. I follow 97 communities on lemmy with all communities active and none with 0 posts. I left reddit immediately and haven’t looked back. All the news, whether political or tech related, I get from lemmy. I think people just haven’t found the right communities. You have to put in some time to find them since you may have 5 or 6 with the same name. But, once you do, you should be good to go.
Comparing the two communities, reddit nearly always has way more quality content and news for me though for the time being. Often even with big news it’s just not here on Lemmy at all. Many posts also have 0 comments and you just wouldn’t see that on Reddit. Once Sync can create posts I will probably start x-posting more from reddit to lemmy for communities I am most interested in.
For now I think I will start browsing Lemmy and then visit Reddit for anything I missed. Keeping my posting and commenting over here mostly because I’d like to see this place grow.
for me, reddit nearly always has way more quality content and news for me though for the time being
It’s not just you.
As constructively as I can put this, reddit has been building community and goodwill for many years. Lemmy has only recently become an option and it’s done wonderfully in the short time it’s had.
The challenge is the catch 22. People go where there is more content, they produce content there, and then there is more content there. There no vacuum, reddit didn’t disappear. It became toxic and people apparently care less about avoiding toxicity than filling up on dank memes.
All I can say to that is we all need to be the change we want to see in the world. Adopt a Lemmy First mentality, and go to reddit only to pick up legacy slack. Continue the conversation from there over here. Link it up.
Hi new user here. I’ve been checking out Lemmy but the amount of bias is ruining it for me. For example the front page right now has 7 out of 20 submissions that contain the word Trump in a negative context. I don’t care about Trump but when the front page is all political posts attacking Trump I have to wonder about the...
Lemmy doesn't tip the scales, the front page is generally whatever is newest, or more upvoted/boosted/whatever. That's what users vote on. If you disagree vote against the posts you don't like, and if that doesn't help then the simple fact is that the majority of users disagree with you or want to see that content. At which point you can either complain about it, or curate your subscribed magazines/communities accordingly. Or leave.
Also why does it shock you that news about trump is big right now? He's a presidential candidate for the country with the biggest military in the world, and he's being indicted and charged on multiple federal crimes. Its just a big fucking deal regardless of your politics. And to be clear, fuck him, and republicans, but yeah. Of course people have an opinion on this, its world changing stuff. How can you be so naive lmfao.
As for fear of paid shills, you have that everywhere. I'd argue less so on something like lemmy considering its size. its always easier to just pay facebook to boost your anti vax post than build or buy a legit forum account for some random forum, then hand craft rage bait posts and use a bot army to upvote them. And on Facebook you'd reach billions of gullible mommy advice pages. Cost benefit wise I really don't think the fediverse is worth that cost yet.
It’s “a conspiracy”? That doesn’t really mean anything. You didn’t even say it’s a conspiracy theory. Is Trump not being tried for a conspiracy at the moment? Not a conspiracy theory, the crime, it has conspiracy in the name. Your comment is just muddying the water. It’s pretty obvious the Bidens are involved in bribery with the CCP to some degree and that is by the facts. No different than Ukraine and Burisma. Ukraine was branded the most corrupt country in the world and the Bidens just happened to be all mixed up in their energy sector and governance. This is before the latest events even.
Here is a simple example.
Biden said he never got involved with his sons business dealings. That was his cover when all the Burisma stuff came out. Well, we know factually that is a lie now. Where is the story about this specific example on the politics community here? It’s a factual story illustrating Biden lied about business dealings with his son when he was questioned if these dealings could make him impartial. He lied in response to be asked if he could be impartial about Ukraine or if he might be involved financially in the situation. Where’s the coverage here historically when this story broke?
It’s just one of many examples of what is valid political news story about the current US President but where is it on Lemmy? Yet what I do see is 10 submissions on my front page about the same Trump story and he isn’t even the current President. That is the bias and if you’re not intentionally being a blind shill you can see it plainly. The question was not if Lemmy USERS are biased, obviously they are, the question is about the platform itself.
The problem you’re describing is different than the one Lemmy solves. Lemmy is just a federated, open source alternative to Reddit. It doesn’t try to be anything else.
But the good news is this: If somebody wants to create “a social media site with politics discussion that is moderated without bias”, they can just use Lemmy and make it happen. They no longer need to create a 50 person company to develop the software the runs the network. It can be done by a handful of people now, and that wasn’t possible before.
But what you’re asking underneath it all is simple enough.
Lemmy isn’t a single entity. It’s dozens of instances (well, dozens of public ones big enough to notice), with multiple communities on each.
There is a bigger section of users that reject alt-right matters, which is an “oh no. anyway” situation because most instances also reject the left equivalent (tankies) with similar fervor. But there’s communities that are quite friendly to non extremists that are what you’d call conservative overall, if you go looking. But the major instances are run by folks that lean liberal, progressive, and/or socialist. It’s just a fact.
I hate to break this next part to you though. Any political based community, subreddit, or forum is going to be a dumpster fire of biased bullshit. And that goes for any segment of political ideology. That’s because people that are emotionally invested in identity politics are nigh unto religious zealots. And they’re the most likely to make posts and comments in those places. They’re also the ones most likely to shoehorn in political bullshit where it doesn’t belong.
That last part is a much bigger issue because it’s harder to avoid.
But, dude, don’t get it twisted. The whole trump part is to be expected. Anyone not expecting high vitriol regarding him is silly. Like, he’s divisive intentionally. He just got indicted, so it’s current news everywhere. This means the posts about him are certainly going to focus on the crimes he’s accused of, which is going to be “negative” if you’re a supporter. If you’re neutral regarding him, it’s still going to read negative because the shit he’s accused of is pretty fucking negative lol. You can’t report on someone accused of serious crimes and it not skew negative unless you ignore anything about the news that’s factual.
But I’m not going to get started on the whole “moderator and suppression” bullshit because it’s utter bullshit.
The big problem with lemmy is that some niche communities did not migrated so when you Look for example for fairphone news you Look to reddit beacuse lemmy dosent have equivalent. Likewise i havent seen something similar to r/tailsof. You know the niche communities that were the bread and bucket of reddit with the few exceptions ( programers and Linux communities fully migrated and are obviusly standing out beacuse those pepole are always first to move to opensource alternatives )
Better is mostly subjective, so take this with a grain of salt.
But it isn’t better, not yet. And it may never be.
But, let’s loop you in, Odd one (it’s a book reference, not an insult)
So, Sync started as a reddit app. As you know, reddit fucked third party apps, and made a series of insulting statements to users and mods, generating an exodus that led some people to lemmy.
On reddit, when it was fresh news, many of those app devs that had a reddit presence were asked if they would migrate their app to something else, with the most common request being lemmy (the only option that had an API worth mentioning at the time).
Out of those, Sync was one of the top five android apps. For some, it was reddit, they’d chosen sync and used nothing else.
Thus, you had weeks of build-up after Mr Dawson announced he was going to migrate. Serious hype.
So, the app drops. People check it out. Those unfamiliar with the app from reddit are surprised to find it has ads. Those familiar with it were aware that ad monetization was part of how Mr Dawson made a living. The rest was through various ad free versions, and “ultra”. Ultra was a service that added features to the app on reddit. Here, it doesn’t really add as much because some of what it does isn’t server based, so a subscription fee for those specific features isn’t as attractive. A one time fee has been added to remove ads, and the price point is a matter of upset as well.
Secondary to that, the app is closed source. Again, anyone familiar with the app from reddit would know this. It was known when very fervent requests to migrate were made.
As you may be aware, lemmy runs high to open source advocates, privacy advocates, and general mistrust of anything that doesn’t at least give a polite nod to those principles.
And that’s where the drama starts.
With all of that in mind, you have segments of the lemmy population that are hyped to have an early version of a familiar and well executed app. Those folks are surprised at the sheer venom that has been directed to the app and its developer. A segment of those are very vocal in their defense of the app. Some cross the line into being jerks. There’s another segment that dislikes the app on those principles, another that just don’t like it as an app (or prefer others), and there’s the small but noisy and rude segment that hates the app.
That’s where the drama centers. It is magnified by the fact that the more energetic the opinion is, the more likely people are to voice it, and the inverse.
Most lemmings don’t care much at all, but they’re not emotionally driven, and/or would rather just avoid drama.
My bias: I think it’s rather rude to throw nastiness at a developer that was practically (and in a few cases literally) begged to port his app for lemmy. One can object to decisions made in a civil manner. Sync was not my app of choice, but I found it to be a solid back-up, and Mr Dawson to be a fairly good example of how a developer should communicate.
Now, my opinion on sync for lemmy, as it currently exists. This is pure opinion, and should not be taken as anything else. While I despise ads, it’s a case of “hate the game, not the player”. I understand why app developers use ads, and I can’t say I blame them. The price Mr Dawson has set for a one time ad removal is fair. Regardless of what level of income can be expected from ads, that income is continuous as long as the app is used. The fee represents a reasonable amount for an app that is likely to remain useful just as it is for years.
Now, it is not up to feature parity with core lemmy tools. There are plenty of apps further along in that regard. It is, however, a very well crafted UI and has a long history of being actively maintained as well as moved forward over time. That last assumes the developer doesn’t throw up his hands as a “no win” situation and walk away. I doubt that will be the case, Mr Dawson is a pro. Wouldn’t blame him if he did though, some of the comments directed at him would have been nasty on reddit; here, they’re so far beyond acceptable it’s disgusting. Lemmy is supposed to be better than reddit in that regard.
I don’t do tl;drs because it ain’t that fucking hard to read, but to kinda close things out, it can be summed up as a massive amount of confusion about exactly what the app was, is, and should be.
As the service grows, I have noticed more and more people and bots popping up, only posting links to a news article and that’s that. Usually there is no post, no summary and nothing from the OP but the link....
Lemmy, like Reddit, operates like a link aggregator, so news article spam sorted by type into sublemmy’s is sort of its “natural state”. IMO there’s not really anything wrong with it, because it’s a good way to get conversations started.
I don’t really like the lemmit.online bot that just reposts “archive” posts from Reddit.
It’s easy for really old posts to get necro’d in Active sort. Not necessarily a bad thing, but if you use the “feed” to keep up with the latest then it’ll cloud your listings a bit. A lot of people don’t look at the post date right away (especially those of us from alien site since we’re still operating on old habits).
Hot also had a bug that pushed old posts up, IIRC? Maybe i’m thinking of Active; I can’t remember off the top of my head as I type this. Anyway I think Active is based on recent comment activity and Hot is based on recent voting activity. Nothing wrong with either, but I am honestly appreciating the “Top X hours” methods to keep up with recent news and events and to keep things fresh.
We’re still in the “oh shit activity has increased by a factor of a thousand, we need to make the database not crash” phase of development of Lemmy (and kbin) so I’d expect that eventually the feed sorts will be looked at and tweaked. Just needs a bit of attention to get what you are looking for at the moment.
Ugh, and 10A somehow also hasn't been banned yet (and a quick check to his profile shows that he isn't just still making bad-faith arguments about "free speech" but is also still spreading xenophobia, fake news about the last election, and so on).
I'm out. Anyone know of a kbin (not lemmy) instance with reasonably good moderation?
In late June early July Reddit was awash with people predicting a digg like doom for reddit. I got sick of commenting that 90% of reddit users wouldn’t understand what was happening and 99% wouldn’t care. Reddit was always going to “win” in that they would carry on, more profitable than before.
I don’t know or care whether the reddit “experience” has diminished in either the short or the long term. I expect it has in some way, but it’s more like a continuation of a long-standing trajectory.
In any case, as you say, the landscape has changed. Back in April lemmy was more or less non-viable to scratch that thread based news-aggregator itch. That’s no longer the case.
Just a little rant. When I first visited Lemmy Sites a couple of months ago it felt empty. Besides the really mainstream community pretty much everything else just felt empty....
I’ve only seen one thread which felt completely like Reddit. The community was for the alien comics, and the comics were taking a dig at imperial units vs metric units. Nothing wrong with that, it was all in good fun and jest.
The comments though were toxic frankly. If you said you liked both systems and provided reasons, you were buried in downvotes. If you discussed some upsides of the imperial system, you were ridiculed to be a child. Even if you were an engineer and you provided a lengthy explanation, it was met with derision. And then there were all the logically inconsistent arguments and the notion that Americans were simultaneously idiots but also apparently complete geniuses with how complex they made the imperial system out to be.
I’m thankful it was just the one thread. All of the politics threads I’ve viewed have been more civil and open to discussion (and I consume a fair bit of political news). Lemmy, until that thread, felt like a place where nuanced opinions and discussions were encouraged and upvoted. I hope it’s just a one off.
I need to take a break from Lemmy
Hello guys, I need to take a break from Lemmy. Lately, I’ve become attached to it, a part of the community (which is probably good). Unfortunately, it triggers fear of missing out (FOMO) lately for me. Don’t get me wrong, Lemmy has become the most wonderful community on the Internet, but this time, I need a break from the...
probably my biggest gripe with Lemmy right now. Feels like I'm just stuck in a loop. (lemmy.ca)
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Hi new user here. I’ve been checking out Lemmy but the amount of bias is ruining it for me. For example the front page right now has 7 out of 20 submissions that contain the word Trump in a negative context. I don’t care about Trump but when the front page is all political posts attacking Trump I have to wonder about the...
Lemmy is popular nowadays, yet is losing its active users (lemm.ee)
Similar to Mastodon’s spikes last year, it seems. Anyways, there is data to think about. Source
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Any ex-Tesla employees willing to take up an offer? 😜
Why is everyone talking about Sync? How is it better than other apps for Lemmy like Connect and Jerboa?
What are your thoughts on bots and people posting only news articles on lemmy?
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The best way to sort posts (lemmy.world)
Smaller communities never appear in “hot”
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Lemmy is slowly getting better
Just a little rant. When I first visited Lemmy Sites a couple of months ago it felt empty. Besides the really mainstream community pretty much everything else just felt empty....