dmention7,

If LEGO and soda cans, which are very low cost, can do this, so can we.

This man is a certifiable idiot, and I feel bad for anyone working for him.

peopleproblems,

I mean, to be fair, he’s not entirely wrong, you can get that accuracy on larger parts given sufficient time, materials, tools, expertise, etc.

But a car has more parts than a Lego brick

demlet,

Which will balloon the cost exponentially.

dmention7, (edited )

Yeah anything is possible with enough time and money, it’s just that is about the most textbook example of comparing apples to oranges I’ve seen IRL.

Also, I suppose Lego bricks might be considered low cost if you’re a billionaire, but in the grand scheme of molded plastics they are very much a premium product.

captainlezbian,

Yeah compared to car plastics they’re crazy expensive

drdabbles,
@drdabbles@lemmy.world avatar

What happens when you put that large metal part in the sun? He is entirely wrong.

peopleproblems,

Well, of course. It doesn’t change my statement though.

And the guys down the lab could go “well, we don’t have to make it out of metal.” And then it starts a rabbit hole of further insane requests that are technically possible, but to people unfamiliar with engineering (Elon) say “damn the cost” betting (incorrectly) that the time or financial cost to fulfill the requests is still profitable.

Happens to a lot of products, unfortunately. People making demands are better off knowing what the demand entails. When they do not, this is what we get.

He’s also probably confusing his experience with Space-X too. He can’t think critically, and it’s going to be his undoing. I hope at least.

frickineh,

Maybe he can build the truck out of LEGOs - it would cost about a bajillion dollars to make something that size, but maybe less than the parts he’s demanding would be.

WorldWideLem,

Every time I see it I can’t get past how hideous it looks. I just don’t get it…who’s the target demo for this thing? They’ve already been beaten to market by non-absurd looking trucks, how big could their market actually be?

Venutianxspring,

Entrepreneurs that miss playing the Sega Saturn?

SinkingLotus,
@SinkingLotus@lemmy.world avatar

People whose first love was Lara Croft on the PSX?

Staiden,

Bro, Sega Saturn is was an amazing console. It still holds its own. It was arcade games at home. To this day, if you don’t want to drop the cash on a Capcom CPS2 or Neo Geo MVS. Just get some nice HORI fighting controllers and you have the next best thing.

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

The problem with the Sega Saturn wasn’t Saturn, it was Sega. And to an extent, Sony.

GreenMario,

It’s like if Homer Simpson designed a car.

Oh wait it happened.

Rentlar,

That’s an idea I would have supported when I was taking high school physics. My astronomy calculations I put to the nearest centimetre (something like 20 significant digits sometimes) for no good reason. Just writing down all the numbers from the calculator.

Then I took engineering and grew out of it. Sure some crucial parts need very tight tolerancing, but you also have to have it relative to the size of the part. And if your design is bad, better tolerancing isn’t going to save you from stuff like the steering wheel popping out.

ramjambamalam,

Just writing down all the numbers from the calculator.

Please tell me you actually had that many digits of significant figures and weren’t just copying down overly-specific figures from your calculator…

geogle,
@geogle@lemmy.world avatar

Prof here…it’s always the latter.

ChaoticNeutralCzech,
@ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de avatar

He most certainly didn’t. Other than physical constants, very few measurements were ever taken to more than 15 significant figures. It’s just not practical as no instrument will get 1m precision over a light year. A spacecraft travelling anywhere near that far will just get an order of magnitude closer and then recalculate with one more digit of precision.

Rentlar,

You are exactly right, and I wasn’t copy pasting I was writing it all down as part of pen-and-paper submitted answers. I don’t have 1/5 of the energy for such trivial things anymore.

ChaoticNeutralCzech,
@ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de avatar

My grandpa once published an article where he turned a tree circumference (obtained using a tape measure) into a “diameter estimate” with 6 significant figures. Turns out, he was wrong on the 4^th^ digit because he used π=3.14…

fubo,

My high-school chemistry teacher would dock a point for each extra digit past the calculation’s actual precision. We learned quickly not to overstate our sig figs.

An answer written as “3” means that the true value is somewhere between 2½ and 3½. If you write “3.19142” when what you actually know is “3”, you’re incorrectly excluding the vast majority of the possible true values.

ChaoticNeutralCzech,
@ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de avatar

Our physics teacher taught measurements and uncertainties as the very first thing in our multi-year syllabus. All answers thereafter needed to be in the precision implied from the number of significant figures in the given figures and error propagation.

squaresinger,

The difference between accuracy and precision.

captainlezbian,

Yeah it’s one thing to spit out numbers. But as an engineer I have to understand what’s going to happen with thermal expansion, wear and tear, and what can actually be produced consistently by an apathetic worker on their 60th hour of work that week

barsoap,

Wait until you hear about what CS does to run-time complexity. Throw away the constants and small factors, nobody cares!

squaresinger,

In the full email he goes on to tell the engineer what a micron is.

I guess, he just read that word somewhere and now feels cool that he knows it.

It would be cute if he was a junior manager, but this way it’s just sad.

Echo71Niner,

You really think he wrote it? He has an army of engineers working for him, many of which would kill their mothers to get on Elon’s good side, corporate culture is same shit different smell no matter the corporation.

whats_a_refoogee,

The leaked email has his name on it and the leak claims it was an email from Elon to employees. Can’t really tell if the leak is real or fake, but if it’s real then Elon is definitely the one who wrote it.

Based on his proclivity to say dumb shit and his inability to keep his mouth shut, I’m inclined to believe it’s a real leak.

blady_blah,

This 100% sounds like him. I don’t see any reason to doubt it given that if someone was going to make something up it wouldn’t sound like this.

collegefurtrader,

A Saturday morning lemmy comment section has more engineering skill than a $1T automaker, apparently.

lemann,

$1T means nothing if the CEO has mush for a brain lol

reverendsteveii,

I don’t have to be in the space program to know that Pluto is pretty far away and I don’t have to be a mechanical engineer to know the implementing exacting tolerances like this both in house and from external suppliers is going to drive costs through the roof just so his truck can look like a 90s wireframe model driving a literal information superhighway. With that being said, if you have better info I’d love to hear it. I just don’t think you do. I think you started with the assumption that Musk is some sort of gigagenius and then tried to make the inference from there that anything he says and does must be the right thing to say and do, and that anyone who criticizes him just isn’t following his hyperdimensional chess gambit.

collegefurtrader,

lol

GlitzyArmrest,
@GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world avatar

Ah, so no better info.

IphtashuFitz,

Name one other auto industry CEO that makes engineering demands of this nature and lambasts employees on social media for not meeting them.

Without relying on Google etc. you probably couldn’t even name the CEO of Toyota, Honda, Ford, etc. And I seriously doubt they are making technical decisions for their cars. They rely on knowledgeable managers whose teams have decades of technical experience, and likely defer to those experts when they say something isn’t feasible.

Musk is acting like Homer Simpson when given the chance to design his own car. Screw the experts! He wants what he demands and won’t take “no” for an answer, no matter how bad his decisions are.

collegefurtrader,

Hes been doing this since the first roadster, its the way Tesla operates. You can not argue with the success up to this point.

GlitzyArmrest,
@GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world avatar

He didn’t even make the roadster.

IphtashuFitz,

Not to mention:

  • He’s been promising full self driving would be out of beta and readily available soon for over a decade now.
  • Cybertruck available in 2019.
  • one million Tesla robo-taxis by 2020.
  • Teslas will have a 600+ mile range very soon

And those are just some of his broken promises regarding Tesla, without even touching on widely held poor decisions like insisting on a “vision only” solution for full self driving, getting rid of the control stalks in the S and X in favor of touch controls on the wheel, etc.

And don’t get me started on the similar broken promises involving SpaceX, Twitter, Hyperloop, etc.

timbuck2themoon,

Imagine being a musk simp. Jfc. Grow up.

lolcatnip,

Musk isn’t an auto maker. He’s an idiot who owns a company.

KnaehoejKarse,

Why would that not be the case?

Lianodel,

Due to the nature of Cybertruck, which is made of bright metal with mostly straight edges, any dimensional variation shows up like a sore thumb.​

It sounds to me like the reasonable conclusion to draw from this would be to modify the design of the car. I’d also assume you don’t need tolerances to be the same for literally all parts inside and out. I’d also think that, if the car looks that bad if things are 10 or more microns out of place, these cars are going to age terribly after regular use.

But what do I know? If I were smart, I’d be rich, right? And Elon is so rich, he must be a genius!

Bakkoda,

Tesla is know for shoddy panel alignment correct? This is gonna look horrific.

Raxiel,

They are, and that undoubtedly gets under his sub micron thick skin, which is why he’s going overboard about it with this.

Valmond,

Yeah heat that mf up on a sunny day vs a cold day lol what an idiot.

It’s not like “accuracies” doesn’t add up either ha ha what a genius.

Death_Equity,

Usually car makers solve the expansion and contraction using glue, curves, and trim to deal with expansion and contraction.

The cybertruck has no curves and not much trim, the glue would have to be very flexible, which would lead to separation.

I am going to bet that we will see cybertruck with panels flying off or flapping at highway speeds not long after release.

Valmond,

Oh yes, I’m all with you here, either make a frame and stick the “panels” to it individually (probably good if you make a cheap tank vehicle or something IDK) or make a chassis that take the deformation forces and distribute them as evenly as possible.

My bet is they have him as a stupid publicity monkey drawing attention to Tesla, cybortryck etc (I mean all publicity is good right?) and away from bad things like Tesla didnt self drive end 2019(?) and still doesn’t, child labour, … etc

Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow,

The awkward moment where you sit on the car watching the sunset with your sweetheart and the next day your stainless steel car is bent.

kokesh,
@kokesh@lemmy.world avatar

He really is a moron 🙈

spark947,

Isn’t the metal body going to expand depending on the temperature? This is so unhinged.

nslatz,

What happens to the tollerences of the panel gaps if you park it half in the shade and half in the sun,

barsoap,

On a Tesla? If you do it just right the gaps will even out.

drdabbles,
@drdabbles@lemmy.world avatar

This man is like an unintelligent P.T. Barnum.

iamtrashman1312,

Like an inverse Barnum: a sucker who understands how smart people operate. Or sound, at least.

ChickenLadyLovesLife,

TP Barnum

spark947,

Six sigmas of deviation. Stuff is so figured out by u dustrial engineers. What a clueless idiot.

iforgotmyinstance,

Guarantee he has no understanding of metalwork. It’s not tricky, it’s an exact science.

DragonTypeWyvern,

Ummm excuse you, Elon is a ROCKET SCIENTIST CHIEF ENGINEER GENIUS PROGRAMMER QUINTUPLE CEO EXPERT EPOXY USER.

I X’d this at him and he’s gonna ratio you with a super sweet meme.

Grant_M,
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

No amount of accuracy is going to fix the ugly of that thing.

ebits21,
@ebits21@lemmy.ca avatar

So just use Lego bricks.

brsrklf,

It’d look better. Even with the struts out.

PlutoniumAcid,
@PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world avatar

*studs.

And yes, I agree with you - today’s LEGO sets that hide the studs are saddening.

squaresinger,

It will probably be safer as well.

Aopen,

Truck is machine dedicated for transportation of goods. Not art from museum.

Pazuzu,

Da.

candyman337,

Hilarious considering the panel gaps in all his other cars, dude is fucking insane. Unattainable standards don’t breed better work they breed exasperation and apathy.

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