Diplomjodler,

I love this idea. The reason people continue using Windows is because they’re used to it. Messing with the Start button is going to piss off even the most patient users. Not to mention it’ll be an absolute nightmare for any IT department. Just imagine an army of Karens calling your hotline first thing on Monday morning, yelling at you because you took away the Start button. It’ll make Windows 8 look like a huge success.

micka190,

I feel like things like Classic Shell (or whatever the go-to alternative is nowadays) are just going to make bank from enterprise customers suddenly wanting to make their desktops usable for the average user.

LUHG_HANI,
@LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world avatar

Doubtful. It’s hard enough to get programs past our security team and having half malware bundled programs like this won’t be an easy task.

pixelscience,

Lol, what? There is no malware in classic shell, or start11 or explorer patcher. Wtf are you talking about?

TheHighRoad,
@TheHighRoad@lemmy.world avatar

Tell that to dumbass IT “managers” that think a process monitor is a hacking tool.

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

i remember some game refusing to launch just because i had it installed

BearOfaTime,

Openshell on github. I don’t know that it’s the same code, but I’m pretty sure the Classic Shell website linked to it.

altima_neo,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

They tried fucking with it on Windows 8 and that worked out so great.

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

tbh i liked the win8 start menu

magikmw,

They already fucked with start menu and search and it’s already a problem for IT. I can’t find any app I got installed unless I spell it out right, and even then it might work with just 3/8 letters in but no further.

Sometimes I just click through program files cause it’s faster.

scottywh,

Back to cluttering the desktop with shortcuts to everything it is then.

zipzoopaboop,

For some fucking brilliant reason, searching update shows discord, so to find updates I have to spell it wrong

spiderman,

sometimes you can’t find an application even when you spell it out correctly, hafta go through the apps list to find them.

hdnsmbt,

Which is why this is obviously just a shitty clickbait headline. Have you read the article? Nobody is planning to replace the start button but they could and that’s enough for tech “journalism” these days.

archonet,

Microsoft why are you trying to pull an Elon and destroy your own brand, stop that – what, after all, has a dedicated keyboard key on Windows keyboards, and has for decades?

hdnsmbt,

They’re not. It’s just the author’s “creativity”. There’s no indication of plans to change the start button. Still, they could change the start button, which apparently warrants a misleading article people actually discuss.

DudeDudenson,

Can someone just start making community updates for windows 7 and we can just use that when Unix is not a viable option

grayman,

LOL

Gingernate,

Microsoft will come to your house and break your knee caps if someone did that haha

AndyLikesCandy,

And I’ve been slowly replacing windows with Linux since the arrival of Windows 10.

M0oP0o,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

The biggest pain point of windows 8 (on release) was the missing start button, why would they think a bingilator would work instead?

Don’t worry I am sure they will fix all this madness for Windows 9.

Syldon,
@Syldon@lemmy.one avatar

Just nope!

jimbo, (edited )

They fuckin’ do that and I’m out. Haven’t run Linux on the desktop since 2009, but it wasn’t bad back then and I assume it’s only gotten better. Meanwhile Microsoft has continued the enshittification of Windows and if I didn’t need it for dev purposes, I’d be more willing to pull the plug. All this “AI” stuff Microsoft keeps adding to everything is going to push me over the edge.

vagrantprodigy,

It’s gotten a lot better over the past few years.

specterspectre,

Oh so much better. I’ve relegated Windows only programs to a virtual machine. I haven’t touched it in a long time but it’s there just in case.

SpicyLizards,

So now I can use an AI to find notepad++ on bing?

Fungah,

No. Search isn’t for finish g what you want anymore… common misconception.

cori,

No, silly! You use AI to find sponsored ads on Bing! You don’t need notepad++ to CONSUME

only0218,

What’s next, Android like Launcher? And screw you for trying to open loose files! >! /s !<

Smokeydope,
@Smokeydope@lemmy.world avatar

I’m here for it as a snobby Linux user. Let’s see how much the average windows user is willing to let their experience be degraded before they finally tap out and try an operating system that isn’t pure trash

NuXCOM_90Percent,

I mean… fuck that noise.

But also? That is actually a really good idea. The start menu was always fundamentally flawed and it took the bullshit that was windows 7 (?) to make me realize that. Clicking and navigating through nested menus and trying to guess whether a piece of software was listed by company, the app name, or something else was always a mess. Which is why winkey “dawn of war” was the optimal solution.

And as third party app stores (e.g. Steam) may or may not even bother to make a start menu entry to begin with? Having something that can search your computer AND distinguish between “the document that lists what primes I need to farm” and “the Warframe game itself” is a really good idea.

But yeah… I do not want “AI” based shit in an OS that is known to have a crapton of telemetry that gets toggled back on every time it silently runs an update.

ubermeisters,
@ubermeisters@lemmy.world avatar

Windows 10 for some reason broke the handy functionality of winkey and typing program names in for me. Installed programs sometimes won’t even show up when I hit the Windows key and start typing the program name. I’ve even made sure it’s not a search or indexing issue. Windows just has zero reason to be better than it is.

ares35,
@ares35@kbin.social avatar

between pinned items in start menu and on the taskbar, putting quicklaunch back and populating it, and a few desktop shortcuts... i maybe 'search' for an application like that once a year, at most.

dezmd,
@dezmd@lemmy.world avatar

You mean you stick with slower mouse actions vs just fast keyboard actions?

egeres,
@egeres@lemmy.world avatar

Up next, windows 13 is cloud-based only, thus requiring constant internet connection

uriel238,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Whoops. The Navy just went Linux.

yiliu,

Let’s be real, the Navy continued to stick with Windows XP…

justaveg,

I don’t think this will happen. What they want is for PCs to be like phones, a closed system where you are pretty much locked into installing anything you want on your PC(and thus anything you buy as well) from their exclusive app store. The cloud thing just extra expense for no real benefit to them. However if there’s an opportunity to push one drive you can be sure they will. And MS has been trying to move in this direction since windows 8.

SaltySalamander,
@SaltySalamander@kbin.social avatar

The "cloud thing" ensures that every person using the system is a subscription-paying customer. You don't see the benefit in that?

Gestrid,

I don’t want to go back to Windows 8. Those were… dark times…

bioemerl,

This could be fine if it didn't immediately send all of your data to the internet.

But as is, fuck that and fuck you Microsoft.

Windows told me I don't have permission to do something. On my computer. As an administrator. Using the command line.

Fuck Windows, fuck Microsoft and their controlling asses, and fuck co-pilot and Open AI for contributing to artificial intelligence not only being closed source and proprietary, but encouraging the United States government to make it literally illegal to do it on the open source field as well.

ubermeisters,
@ubermeisters@lemmy.world avatar

You can probably use Bing chat to figure out how to bypass that, ironically

flying_monkies,
@flying_monkies@kbin.social avatar

Probably the fact that, even if you define the account as Admin in windows, you still need to select "Windows sudo" (run as Administrator) before it actually elevates privilege.

wreckedcarzz,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

That’s just a “hey dumbass, did you try to run command prompt or was it ThreeTittyBabes.jpg.exe?” check. The admin users just don’t need to enter an admin password to proceed.

flying_monkies,
@flying_monkies@kbin.social avatar

No, it's not.

What you're talking about is UAC flipping out because you double clicked on something and it want's admin privilege (the GUI equivalent of what bioemerl talked about).

I'm talking about exactly what bioemerl was: You open cmd window, try to run a command and it bitches that you need admin rights, as an admin. So, you have to go back, search for cmd, then select the option: Run as administrator.

lightnsfw,

Can’t you check the “run as administrator” box in the properties? Then it runs as admin every time.

flying_monkies,
@flying_monkies@kbin.social avatar

If you remember to do it after getting pissed off enough at it, sure 😀

Natanael,

That’s because too many virus infections have started with admins launching things as admin by default

Use one of the elevate as admin scripts

Quexotic,

The more of a PITA windows is, the more willing I, and everyone, will be to deal with Linux. Lol.

Omega_Jimes,

The more people that use Linux, the better it will get! It’s win win!

Quexotic,

I hadn’t thought about it that way. Thank you!

aniki,

I feel like it’s far easier to get a deep understanding of ‘Linux [Which is really POSIX]’ over Windows. There are open source tools to fuck with every aspect of Linux. Windows is just a nightmare of abstracted layers.

Quexotic,

I think there’s a very real part of that which is because Microsoft charges for people to get certifications and how to handle their operating system. If it was documented really well and easy to work with at a low level, then they wouldn’t be able to sell any of their training would they?

This is how I feel about every single vendor that I work with. Specifically designed to be obtuse and difficult to understand so that after sales services must be purchased in order for the product to be usable.

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