Natanael

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Natanael,

In theory no, practically speaking the patent system is absurdly dumb around anything IT. Multiple patents which Apple won against Samsung with got invalidated which cut part of the awards issued

Natanael,

They have Bluetooth for convenience to help you listen to regular audio sources, but they should definitely have better controls available. Sounds like theirs are permanently in pairing mode

Natanael,

Not at all, those ones are permanently in pairing mode with no interaction required and instead it should require manual pairing

Natanael,

Hierarchical tags is also possible. In fact Gmail has it, so you can for example create a work tag and then subtags for each company you worked at, and do similar things with hobby tags, and apply multiple tags

Natanael,

F-Droid either requires app developers to set up their own repository (and point users to them) or to follow the F-Droid repo rules (the F-Droid devs compile and sign your app, not you)

Natanael,

If you have a Samsung or use the Google SMS messaging app then you can use RCS via their servers, even in Europe

Natanael,

If the MLS group messaging encryption protocol can get finalized any day soon then they might use that

Natanael,

Unless they want to pretend they don’t have magic to seem harmless for a moment

Natanael,

You can do it with limits, like having bigger wounds heal wrong if you try to heal them too fast (which is how broken bones are handled IRL, sometimes they must be re-broken to correct the healing process)

Natanael,

You think poor people never had their own cultures? Lol, lmao

Natanael,

Not my point, obviously.

(but like any useful skill, those with access have much better chances)

Natanael,

Höhöhö (we’re not Danish)

Natanael,

My first thought is you can embedd this inside buildings rather trivially

Natanael,

They’re supporting development of MLS for managing encryption for groups

Natanael,

The physical Mario Kart Switch game with the WiFi controlled carts - except it’s 100 % AR instead, and you can switch between 3rd person overhead AR view from your own position or 1st person view (VR-like) from the kart. You create your own tracks in the room you’re in.

Signal leaked random contacts to me! (feddit.de)

When I press on some message to forward it, it shows me Random usernames of contacts I don’t know. And it even shows some Mobile Numbers I don’t know. For example, one number starts with +964 that’s Iraq. I’m from Europe tho. These contacts and numbers are from all over the place....

Natanael,

Cryptographers use it for “key encryption key”, and they’re a subtype of nerd

Natanael,

The worst kind of bullies will just learn what the cameras are going to capture and not

Natanael,

More likely, a bunch of people joined who didn’t understand it was a joke (fairly common online)

Natanael,

X the character as used in math problems.

Natanael,

Even with standard components, you’re still dealing with a wide variety of different sized city blocks with different types of buildings and industries, different grid layouts, etc. You also have to plan for potential future changes in load. Even if you have a large part you can copy-paste you still need to check all requirements and design the interconnections

Natanael,

No, a group of crows would commit another kind of crime

Natanael,

UN seems to believe they’re not made up, don’t know how they’re verifying it

Natanael,

No you should buy my snakeoil for that

Natanael,

They’re not cryptocurrency fanatics. None of the project relies on cryptocurrency tech. Even Jack himself deleted his account and ran off to nostr.

Bluesky uses a model with user identities based on cryptographic keypairs, posts held in a personal account repository (git-like), and posts use content addressing (hash ID of posts), and everything is portable so you can move your account between host servers without breaking any references.

Federation is up in the sandbox environment with 3rd party implementations participating.

It’s more robust against enshittification than your average Mastodon server

Natanael,

Jack doesn’t have a majority on the board, he’s not even on the site anymore (deleted his account and ran off to nostr)

slrpnk.net/comment/3988061

Natanael,

Bluesky supports porting user accounts between servers even more smoothly than Mastodon does - even if the original host do not want to cooperate.

Natanael,

Send them by DM, codes posted in public are scanned by bots which try to snipe them

Natanael,

Bluesky has 3rd party algorithm feeds, with hundreds of feeds already live

Natanael,

The only thing they control is the DID lookup for PLC type account DID values, but if you have your own domain and use web-DID they control nothing that can’t be replaced

Natanael,

You clearly haven’t read the docs

Natanael, (edited )

They have a sandbox environment federating with 3rd party servers where other devs can participate in testing, and in the main public beta environment they just switched away from one main server to like a dozen (still no 3rd party there) and moved user accounts around, so they can test the federation code for stuff like performance and effects of account migrations, etc, in a live environment.

They’ve said they won’t open up federation with 3rd party servers on the main environment until they have moderation tools which can handle it, so they’re working on that also now.

Natanael,

A lot of words for “I didn’t know you could use the network without using servers controlled by Bluesky”

Natanael,

This line is self contradicting

So the storage layer is “neutral”, accounts are “portable”. That to me means that node operators will have no agency in the system. Discoverability/search/recommendations are done in a separate layer, and the way the system seems to be designed (nodes have no say, they just provide the data) effectively places all the power with these “reach” algorithms.

3rd party feeds and recommendations and discovery already exists. They are also not dependent on the continued existence or openness of the bluesky servers. You can control your own experience and it’s easy to find and switch between feeds. Having more subscribers to your feed doesn’t make you more powerful in the context of network effects. If people stop looking your feed they’ll dump it.

Also, node operators have full control of what they forward to clients. They can absolutely apply moderation filters, and this is one of the expected means for such nodes to market themselves to their communities - “we have default feeds and moderation which suits your community”.

So it’s a winner-takes-all system that strongly avantages whoever starts building their dataset early and can throw as much money at it as possible.

Nonsense, the network uses relay servers which acts as open CDN servers and the firehose feed is open AND 3rd party hosted feed builders already exists (and they’re open source so you can copy them), you don’t need to waste duplicate work on building datasets. This network is cooperative. It has absolutely no winner-takes-all effects, it explicitly encourages division of labor and mix-and-matching multiple 3rd party services.

Another pretty good sign that BS’s decentralization is actually b.s. is the fact that the Decentralized Identifiers (DIDs) used by BlueSky are currently “temporarily” not actually decentralized. The protocol uses something imaginatively called “DID Placeholder”. If I were a betting man I would bet that in five years it will keep on using the centralized DID Placeholder, and that that will be a root cause of a lot of shenanigans.

Then use web-DID which already is fully decentralized

Jack is not involved with bluesky anymore, he’s in nostr land now. He doesn’t have majority on the board and isn’t influencing development.

There is no way to opt-out from “reach” algorithms indexing one’s posts, as far as I can see in the ATproto and BS documentation. So fash/harassers would be able to choose an algorithm that basically recommends targets to them.

Moderation tools like this is in the works, it’s not complete yet. Mute/block filters already exists, and label services for moderation are being worked on

A whole lot of directly false nonsense and irrelevant arguments and ignorance of what the devs are working on

Natanael,

I’ve already explained how they have designed it so they can’t control it. Just use web-DID and your own domain handle on your own PDS, and then you can connect to a 3rd party relay (BGS, the CDN like cache) and whichever feeds and moderation tools and filter subscriptions you like. You don’t need to touch the official servers at all.

The network doesn’t use any cryptocurrency technology. There’s no blockchain, etc.

Natanael,

Jack is not the CEO, and he’s in minority on the board

Natanael,

Blue Sky is a for-profit corporation. How do they plan to make money?

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They use domain names for handles, they do have a partnership with one registrar for integration for users who want custom domains for handles (commission model). Other than that, to be seen.

Who controls access to the network?

Once full federation is live, nobody. Anybody could create a relay server (BGS, shared cache server like a CDN), and anybody can run a PDS (account hosting server).

3rd parties already run feeds on their own servers and 3rd party clients exists, and the sandbox network for federation testing has 3rd party PDS servers too.

For user account lookups, if you use the web-DID type then you’re not dependent on bluesky servers at all.

Account portability and the ability to mix and match services and switch quickly are the biggest enshittification protection mechanisms. You can’t really lock in users in this model. You can’t even prevent users from ditching your PDS account host if they kept a backup of their data and held their own keys.

Natanael,

slrpnk.net/comment/3996311

You’re missing details

The Mastodon fediverse have stronger network effects because big servers can enforce policies on other servers to stay federated. It’s complicated for users to move servers.

In Bluesky you have plenty more options, including using 3rd party moderation, using clients which can pull censored posts from other servers and cleanly render them into threads, and you can move servers much more easily even if the server operator don’t want to let you.

The “reach” layer is a mix of relay servers (BGS) and 3rd party feeds (which already are operated independently)

Natanael,

Yeah, with no strong central control the best you can do is to persuade PDS account servers and client developers to put in good moderation filters by default, so that the average user won’t have to see that stuff assuming they land on a client/server which filter it. You can’t stop it from existing in the network, but you can coordinate ways to inhibit reach. And users who need even better tools can deploy them without having to move.

On the other hand, the work on private profiles haven’t started yet, and you can’t currently prevent yourself from getting visible to others.

On Mastodon the options are essentially just finding a server with a good moderation team and importing block list files manually, as well as keyword filters. And that’s pretty much it. The server features and moderation quality are part of the same bundle.

Natanael,

In bluesky I think those effects mostly lie on the side of which client people use.

The protocol is extensible and you can add new post types and formatting options by creating a new schema/lexicon, but these would only be readable by other clients which supports it. I hope they’ll be able to add some general “category template” lexicons so a graceful degradation scheme can be implemented to support compatibility without hindering 3rd party development.

To protect against a PDS server going bad the client could assist with automated account migration (the new PDS doesn’t need to understand the lexicon of your posts to be able to migrate them intact), even if the old PDS won’t cooperate (the client could maintain backups for you to make migration quick). But if you don’t control your keys separately then a bad client update could make your account unrecoverable, similarly to a mastodon server going bad.

Natanael, (edited )

I don’t see how that’s a negative, all the choices attached to Mastodon hosts are distributed to multiple services in bluesky which optionally could be served by the same entity, but doesn’t need to be. A PDS can run its own moderation services, or subscribe to another, or leave it to clients. A PDS can run their own feeds, or leave it to others. Clients can choose to use the services provided by the PDS, or to use others.

I don’t see where the centralizing forces are (other than economy of scale stuff). Having the most users doesn’t mean much when it’s trivial to substitute your service, regardless if that’s a moderation labeler service, a collection of feeds, or whatever else. It’s really just the most popular client apps which have disproportionate power, but that’s true for every protocol.

Edit: I also want to point out that the PDS by default controls a bunch of stuff for the client via the appview service, that’s the service which the client talks to and it assembles your home feed and assemble post views (where it control sorting, etc) and it apply blocks and mutes and applies the PDS’s own moderation, and it forwards moderation labels on posts (like NSFW tags) to the client.

Natanael,

Component cost, engineering cost, and it would change the performance target which could cause some devs to leave the old one behind

Natanael,

Some have their connected to their wife

Natanael,

It depends on the size of your house and the amount of dirt and dust.

Starbucks announces higher pay, but union workers will have to bargain for it (www.cnn.com)

Starbucks employees are getting more pay and new benefits, but some are only going to baristas that haven’t unionized. A National Labor Relations Board judge previously found that similar moves by Starbucks violate federal labor law, with the company appealing the decision....

Natanael,

Also that’s probably illegal to do

Natanael,

Union contracts can set minimum wages and minimum rules for raises and allow individual negotiations above that. Far from all union contracts require exactly equal pay

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