BearOfaTime

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BearOfaTime,

I wouldn’t doubt that it is, and we just don’t know about it.

The NSA (CIA?, well Fed assholes) installed surveillance gear in Verizon data centers in the 90’s so they could listen to any phone call or read any text message. It was reported about 1996ish.

Never heard that it was removed, or if they were in other telecom systems.

So yea, my guess is it’s already there. Even worse, people in the right positions are probably controllable (again, good old CIA/NSA at work, thanks Hoover, ya jackass). Don’t need a law or specialized gear when the right people are already compromised.

Just read up on why Bill Gates even got an audience with IBM…

BearOfaTime,

Why?

If Apple isn’t pursuing legal action, then they don’t see it as necessary.

BearOfaTime, (edited )

A normal phone doesn’t have AGPS download ephemeris (edit:they may today, I haven’t looked into it for a while), doesn’t have Google Services tracking everything, or third party apps phoning home.

I’d say by default a smartphone is way worse, it has fsr more data collection by default, even without an account. Every data point a feature phone has, a smartphone has, plus more.

Voice calls and SMS use the exact same infrastructure in exactly the same way on both types of phones.

But it can be mitigated quite a bit on Android by not using an account on it, disabling GPS, wifi, Bluetooth.

They could also debloat it to reduce some of the background nonsense (Universal Android Debloat has a “safe to disable” list). (I’m assuming it’s not an unlocked Pixel or a phone that’s on the Lineage list).

If they don’t care about apps, I’d even add NoRoot Firewall, configure it for always on, and set it to block all network access by default. This would be a Global Pre-Filter using asterisk (*) for both the address and port fields with both Wifi and Cell boxes checked (system apps will still have network access, this only affects users apps on a non-rooted phone).

Other than root or flashing a custom OS (like Lineage or Divest, Graphene if they were lucky enough to get an unlocked Pixel), this is about the best that can be done.

No Root Firewall

Universal Android Debloat Tool

BearOfaTime, (edited )

If you can’t get a Pixel, look for a phone on the DivestOS list (or the Lineage list, it can be way better than stock Android since it lacks Google anything).

DivestOS is Lineage, with some more work done, kind of between Lineage and Graphene. I really like it, actually prefer it over Graphene for my use-case (it can run MicroG as a user app in a work profile, so kind of a stepping stone for getting away from Google).

BearOfaTime,

You can setup Android without a user account. I’m not sure about iPhone, I don’t believe that’s an option in the setup process (but it’s been a while, since I set mine up).

BearOfaTime,

They can do so with a smartphone too, they both use the same cellular network, so same voice calls, same plain-text text messages (SMS is a feature of the cellular network management, messages are injected into the cell management frames).

Even worse, smartphones use AGPS, so download from AGPS servers (providing another point of location data) and using that ephemeris data to improve location update times.

BearOfaTime,

Lol, having separate devices is more convenient?

The smallest camera I can pocket weighs 5x my phone, is about 10x thicker.

GPS, same.

Mp3 player, about the same as my phone.

Computer/web browser? Well, nothing is as small as a phone.

I get all that in a single device with a phone weighing 8oz, measuring 6"x3"x3/8".

Separate devices is better if your use-cases for them have strong independence (e.g. Only use GPS in the car/on motorcycle, only use a camera when doing dedicated photo shoots, etc). If anything I’d say multiple devices is less convenient even then, it’s just that those devices work better for those use-cases, making the tradeoff of less convenient worthwhile. I’d much rather use a dedicated camera sometimes (and do), when I’m taking lots of pics and want to go faster.

But for most people, these activities are strongly related, and occur throughout their day. It would be far less convenient to carry multiple devices and have to pull them out and handle for these activities.

BearOfaTime,

Sadly it’s only getting worse.

Google and hardware manufacturers aren’t motivated to make open devices. Quite the opposite, really.

They learned their lesson from the BIOS wars of the 80’s that resulted in standardized hardware interface, so any compliant OS could be installed. This is what gave MS the ability to beat IBM at their own game, and prevented strong DRM.

Phones don’t have a standardized BIOS like that, so each brand requires drivers built specifically for it (also a bit of a result of using Linux as the base, since it’s a monolithic OS). Without those drivers you can’t install an OS, and each device is different.

Google and friends like it this way, their long-term goal is fully locked down phones that you don’t control and can’t modify, so they can fully implement DRM.

BearOfaTime,

Yea, that’s totally why people I know use Telegram / 🤦‍♂️

BearOfaTime,

Exactly!

making it impossible for the company to access it

Sure. They won’t be able to access the data itself, but they’ll have already used the data as it was being generated to add metrics to your profile. So they don’t need it anymore if it’s already been utilized.

Liars always find a way to phrase things to misdirect.

BearOfaTime,

You could build something in Macrodroid/Automate/Tasker. Someone may have already made one.

BearOfaTime,

DivestOS seems to give a nice balance between vanilla Android and Graphene. I really like it.

BearOfaTime,

Futo voice input.

Pretty impressive

BearOfaTime,

I don’t know, maybe?

I play support now, and have for decades. Sometimes windows can be a bear.

Maybe, for basic usage like this, Linux can make sense if it’s well thought out?

I have an older (80’s) family friend who recently switched from a laptop to an iPad, and seems OK with it (surprisingly).

BearOfaTime,

Right, right.

Which is why they’ve worked on so much, even open sourced Beeper Cloud for self hosting…

They also stopped subscription charges for now.

BearOfaTime,

Right in the title: “with encrypted cloud Backups”

Your Smart TV Knows What You’re Watching (themarkup.org)

These TVs can capture and identify 7,200 images per hour, or approximately two every second. The data is then used for content recommendations and ad targeting, which is a huge business; advertisers spent an estimated $18.6 billion on smart TV ads in 2022, according to market research firm eMarketer.

BearOfaTime,

Yep.

I got a Fire Stick early on, ditched it after a year.

Have a Samsung smart TV now, working to stop using the smart part and run more self hosted, and isolate apps like Netflix and Amazon.

BearOfaTime,

Thanks for the reminder.

Blocking all DNS other than PiHole is a great thing to do.

Just setup mine a week ago. Already up to 28% blocked, and no ads on the smart TV (which makes it a little faster)

BearOfaTime,

Cause it still works, doesn’t take up much space, and doesn’t really eat a whole lot just siting there.

Also, 2 is one, 1 is none. Good to have a fall back in case hardware dies

BearOfaTime,

Well that’s pretty terrifying.

Need to figure out how to block that now. Sigh

BearOfaTime,

Lol, wow. What kind of BS is that?

May have been useful, say 15 years ago. Even then machines were plenty powerful.

BearOfaTime,

These companies learned their lesson with the open BIOS of pc’s preventing them from really controlling DRM.

Android, not having a standardized BIOS, really gives them the opportunity to provide devices they can fully control.

If you can’t unlock boot, you can’t root, so you can’t fully control the device.

That’s the long-term goal: get people used to devices they don’t actually control.

Lots of people already don’t know the massive difference between using a full desktop app and a limited mobile app, many actually prefer the mobile because it’s simpler! (I admit I do too, for certain use cases and maybe day-to-day use, but not for all use).

And then all the people who argue against having root access on your own device. 🤦‍♂️

There are good arguments for much of what Google does to improve Android security, it’s just very frustrating to know their real agenda is to lock us out.

Fortunately, businesses will always need MDM (Mobile Device Management), which will require root access in some fashion, and there are already Open Source/low cost/free versions of MDM out there, and plenty of smart devs always working on root, like Magisk by topjohnwu and the new KernelSU by tiann (which gets root at the kernel level!)

BearOfaTime,

Pretty good actually, though about as much support for the smaller phones as they represent in market share.

wiki.lineageos.org/devices/#sony

Though I’ve become a fan of DivestOS recently because they enable you to run Google Services (well, MicroG) as a user app, so it doesn’t have system permissions. Makes a good stepping stone to help my friends and family move away from Google.

Check out www.gsmarena.com and www.phonearena.com to find phones that meet your requirements. Their search tools are impressive. You can filter by all sorts of attributes.

BearOfaTime,

Just looked, their smallest phone (Zenphone 9,if my search is worth anything) is slightly larger than a Pixel 5, (to be fair it’s narrower and thinner, which can make a big difference, especially being narrower).

Granted the Pixel is 2 years older, but I’d bet that running Lineage very few people would know. I run a 2017 phone that with Lineage is faster than any phone in my circle. It’s rather shocking to see the difference a leaner OS combined with some optimization can make (some kernel tweaks make it responsive while improving battery life over stock settings).

The Pixel is just under half the price of the Z9.

I keep trying to find a better phone than the Pixel, (smaller, more battery, more ram, something), but it’s really hard to beat. Then again, my requirements aren’t everyone’s: camera just has to work, I prefer plastic over “nice” materials, don’t need SD card, etc.

If I could run Android on iPhone hardware, an iPhone 6 would be awesome. Edit: wow the 13 mini is smaller than the six. Even better!

BearOfaTime,

Hahahaha, take my upvote, dammit!

BearOfaTime,

I’m not the best person to ask, but I think the difference is where each obtains root perms.

Magisk gets root by modifying the boot image, while KernelSU modifies the Linux Kernel. I think being in the kernel it’ll be harder to detect and it’ll be more stable, protected from system updates.

Plus the kernel is more constant across devices, it really doesn’t change much from what I understand. My boot image is different per version of Android, but I think the kernel doesn’t change.

Most Android updates take place in what I’d call the Android Subsystem, since it’s really a shell on top of Linux.

That’s what I’ve been able to glean so far, but I’m no developer.

BearOfaTime,

I frustratingly have to agree.

I’ve been a privacy advocate for 20+ years, and people kept calling me paranoid. I may be, but (as my hillbilly uncle would say), “ya gotta look at who’s ox is gettin’ gored” (kind of a redneck version of no such thing as a free lunch).

No one does something without an angle (that is businesses, and many people too).

I post about rooting and people reply with “you don’t need root, it’s a security risk”. Right, because all the Linux and windows boxes I’ve touched over the years, with root access, are insecure 🤦‍♂️.

This is my phone. Not Google’s, nor anyone else’s.

Too many people are content viewing anything as complex as a toaster as magic. They just want the results.

BearOfaTime,

Yep.

I keep telling them that security isn’t one thing, it’s layers.

There are many unrooted phones that have had malware installed courtesy of the Play store… I’ve never had any, and none of my pc’s since about 1990 have never had a virus.

BearOfaTime,

Unfortunately they often use link shorteners so it’s just gibberish.

But I use one like that. I always look at the url first.

Why Even Your Local Grocery Store Wants Your Digital Data (www.youtube.com)

I honestly feel defeated right now, it feels like currently it’s impossible to truly stay private online unless one is willing to move to a cabin in the woods with no internet and you stop using tech all together and truly become a ghost and stay offline. Can someone help me feel like everything I am currently doing is...

BearOfaTime,

It’s interesting to me to see articles about this now, when the first rewards card I saw (every bit of 20 years ago) it was obvious why they would give you such steep discounts for using nothing more than a free card.

BearOfaTime,

Pretty much it’s the Beeper devs and one other. But the initial setups were really nothing more than using a Mac on the backend with a an adapter to Android.

Beeper and one (maybe two) other were pretty effective at it.

Beeper Mini is a different thing altogether. It uses a service to translate ANP (Apple Notification Protocol?) to GCM (Google Cloud Messaging), which are the respective notification handlers.

The Android client is able to comm directly with iMessage servers, unlike the original Beeper and the other ones.

BearOfaTime,

iMessage degrades images and video on MMS regardless of the capability of the network.

BearOfaTime,

Adds?

I thought they always had them?

BearOfaTime,

No kidding? I always thought they had them. Hmm

BearOfaTime,

Wow. Wtf Verizon?

Also, wtf psychopath? How did you think you wouldn’t get caught?

M0HIT, to foss
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@foss In reference to this post- https://lemmy.ml/post/6374732

For Molly, I kept seeing this popup by Google when downloading Molly FOSS from fdroid.

Should I be concerned? What should I do to ensure I am downloading Molly from a trusted source if Fdroid isn't an ideal place (due to misleading names as depicted in the referenced post)?

BearOfaTime,

This BS is one of the last straws pushing me away from Google.

Running DivestOS, you can install MicroG as a user app in a secondary profile. So it runs only when you want it to. You can install play store there too, and again it only runs when you want it to.

That should limit this nonsense until I can replace my paid for apps with something else.

Shut up Google. Most malware comes from the play store.

BearOfaTime,

It still does this with app scanning turned off, unfortunately.

BearOfaTime,

And yet most malware comes from the Play store.

BearOfaTime,

What, matte displays? I’m not watching a stupid video about matte vs gloss. This is a debate that’s raged forever.

Some people like matte, some like shiny highly reflective glass.

I prefer glass on things like tablets, but matte on my phone. You can have either one with a screen protector.

BearOfaTime,

Hahahajaha

I’ve never paid more than $150 for my phones. Funny how you can get a $600 phone 1-2 years later for $150-$200.

BearOfaTime,

Because then they can’t surveill you as easily.

BearOfaTime,

I can send them fine on Verizon SMS, from Android to Apple. Apple decided that sending via SMS, regardless of carrier limit, they get wrecked. When I send the same video back to Android from my iPhone, the video is shit.

I’ve tested this repeatedly across carriers. Since Verizon doesn’t seem to have an MMS size limit, it makes it pretty clear what’s going on.

Blame carriers for limiting MMS sizes.

BearOfaTime,

Fair point.

I do think it’s gotten a lot worse though.

BearOfaTime,

So… Home Depot can’t afford a few Macs or iPads for testing?

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