Okay but they didnt really add anything meaningful in that time other than the paid DLC, which was still pretty meh. The world is still weirdly barren and outside the unimpactful sidequests their’s very little to do and no realy incentive to do anything.
Sure. They didn’t completely rework multiple core systems, improve performance, or anything for people who didn’t buy the dlc. Same exact thing it was when it released. /s
Police spawning. The entire akill tree. Wardrobe, divorcing the armor stats from appearance. It’s a pretty drastically different game without the DLC from the product it was at launch.
Yeah, I was echoing the police spawning as a point of emphasis. Go look at the old and new skill tree before you say that. That’s as close to gameplay-effecting as you can get. And the wardrobe, yeah, it’s not directly gameplay but it’s definitely more in line with the lore of the world. Oh yeah, vehicle combat was added.
Fine, sure, but IIRC they promised branching storyline with meaningful choices, but every review I’ve seen about the story claims it’s very linear and the choices that do exist aren’t particularly meaningful, at least in the context of branching storylines.
It doesn’t change the fact that they over promised and under delivered and still raked in pre orders.
Until consumers figure out how to be patient, this is a trend in gaming that is going to continue. To NOT criticize it at every opportunity is doing yourself and every other gaming enthusiast a huge disservice.
That’s why I always buy after release and usually wait for some discounts. But I plan to buy BG3 even if it’s not discounted at the winter sale but I think it is pretty obvious that this game is pretty good already.
As long as some youtuber with a broom-handle-up-his-ass expression in the thumbnail keeps promoting day 1 games to increase FOMO, people will continue to preorder AAA games that they mass produce.
It was a good game, just it fell well short of expectations. When you compare the little systems that contribute to games by R* like rdr2 / gta5 feeling so detailed and alive, it felt a bit barren, despite all the gorgeous backdrop and cool abilities.
“mile wide, inch deep” would be how I described it. The story was excellent but the gameplay loop imo needed some work.
Have you played the new version / dlc yet (I’ve not so pls no spoilery spoilers)?
I love CP2077, but there’s no way it was a 7/10 when it crashed every 30 minutes for most people and a significant percent of the quests broke. People (rightly) give flak to Bethesda on how buggy they released games in the past, but CP2077 was arguably buggier than that on release.
I mean if you were on PS4 or last gen hardware sure but largely it was stable for the specs current specs at least on PC. Had it day one and maybe a crash every other session…which is fairly normal for a resource intense game at release.
Personally I really enjoy it. Phantom liberty (and the patch to the normal game) adds a new area that is basically a microcity in itself, with a really fun side story that even adds additional endings to the main game.
No story spoilers ahead:
The update also brings a lot of randomized content that helps making the city feel much more lively, for example you will encounter random gang shootouts or car chases, or if you pick on one gang enough they will hunt you down as well. The police is a lot more dangerous, and continued resistance will eventually earn you a visit from maxtac. They also got the city transit system working, you can ride by train from a to b if you want while enjoying the view.
Also, assuming you didn’t play at all since the 2.0 overhaul, they completely reworked the talent trees and skill paths, making them much more distinct and all around fun to play with. The loot and difficulty system is also overhauled, and will mostly scale to your level regardless of where you are in the story, giving much more freedom in what you want to do and when.
Then there is vehicle combat of course, with a wide range of armed vehicles to obtain, which is also pretty fun and useful.
Generally it feels much closer to what was promised. It might not be perfect, but it is in a fantastic state in my opinion, the only thing I really miss at this point is the holy grail of third person camera (with a working player model).
Thanks for the informative reply! I am definitely going to update at some point. I tend to only play one game at a time, not sure if it’s an autism thing but I get very much into one game, play it to completion, do all the side quests if I really like it, then move onto the next… don’t replay games very often.
I got the absolute worst ending possible on my CP2077 runthrough, I have a save from just before the point-of-no-return and was mopping up all the side activities with the intent of trying to get a better ending. Perhaps I should start a new game from scratch to really appreciate all the additions. Though, I wager I’ll be installing the car handling / HUD element and minimap resizing mods immediately, unless they’ve fixed those issues?
I would definitely recommend doing a fresh save, it gives more opportunity to experience and play with all the new stuff than just rushing dogtown (the new district) with a max level save.
In fairness, I hated rdr2 and don’t really like the gta games because they’re a bit too much “violent life simulator” vs “game” for me.
As such, the only thing I hated about CP2077 was the bugs, crashes, and balance issues. Admittedly, I loved how cheap I got it because I bought it during the early reputation crash. It was unplayable for a few weeks, but for $17? Damn.
Yeah for $17 it’d be an absolute steal, assuming it’s playable. Iirc it didn’t crash once for me, just there were sooooo many ridiculous graphical bugs, and so many systems just felt half-arsed or unfinished. Some notable examples for me:
looking out over the city from a high point, zooming in on the traffic and finding out they’re sprites
no real police / law system, you could have your back to a wall and they’d somehow teleport behind you
on my first cyberpsycho case, as the “Thanks for work, I’ll take it from here” call didn’t trigger until leaving the area, I was unsure of what to do with the knocked-out psycho, so I carried them to the trunk of my car. Well, the game did not account for my idiocy and there were, let’s just say, interesting spaghettification results when I drove away
the autodrive when calling your car often had hilarious or strange results
I could not complete CP2077 when I first put it in my PS4, but I bought it expecting that. I had a little knockaround fun in the early game and then put it aside until a big patch or two. It did, however, crash at least 1-2x per hour on me the entire first playthrough. By the time I played through a second time, it was down to 1 crash in 5 hours.
And yeah, I noticed some of the other bullet-points as well :)
According to the holographic principle, our entire 3d universe is a projection of a 4d space, so really the traffic is more realistic than other games!
You’re telling me CP2077 is not violent? Have you seen how gory it can get? Have we played different games? Because this game is brutal from my experience.
No, really I’m not. I’m saying “violent life simulator” as a holistic explanation of what rdr2 and gta is. One thing I always loved about some other games like CP2077 and the tES games is that they’re much more forgiving in many ways, instead avoiding mapping on just “realism”.
I am planning on playing the DLC and probably replay the full story. Yeah apart from main and side missions the world is dead. Haven’t used mods but I doubt the open world will get any better or more enjoyable.
Did they ever add in true branching storylines? That was one of the big claims, and those I’ve talked to say it’s essentially linear with some choices that have limited impact.
I did a complete playthrough on release and still had fun. The game is still buggy, but it’s definitely better than it was and I’ve had a good time on my second playthrough.
No it’s not. I mean I like the game that it is and even had fun at launch but I will always be a little salty that it will never be what they said it would be.
If my years in a technical field have taught me anything, it’s that this half-cooked shit sandwich was made by people in sales and management who were all promoted for making the shareholders happy. It’s always up to the engineers to slap some shit together that they just learned about yesterday and was needed last week.
Not at all. Starfield is bland horseshit, this game had an extremely compelling setting even when it sucked. At this point it is a great experience with a lot of replay value due to the numerous choices and decisions you can make.
No, someone so deeply self obsessed they couldnt even fathom that someone who plays games doesnt pay attention to the publisher or developer.
Thats exactly the kind of person who forces themselves to like something they assumed they would like and spent money on it. A bad bagel, a poorly fitting shirt, an unfinished game. “I bought it, clearly its good!”
The kind of person who assumes anyone asking questions they already know the answer to must be trolling, because everything you know is generic, and everything you dont is unnecessary.
This is a forum. It's a place for people to talk to each other, ask questions, and share ideas. There is no requirement that you must find your own answers. If there was, then nobody would ever ask questions anywhere on the internet in the first place.
Quit being a jackass, dude. Not everybody is as thoroughly invested into the things you are and may not have the intimate level of knowledge of those subjects as you, and you're being a real prick by trying to shame somebody for not knowing something.
I liked the gameplay and environmental of Watch_Dogs 2 more (edit: on the latter, it’s about how lively WD2 felt compared to 2077), but Cyberpunk 2077 is still solid. As someone else said, there’s replay value to the different routes you can take. I’d definitely wait for the base game to go on sale though. I got mine for £25 and I think that’s an alright price for it.
To me it looks good and has a few fun quests or sidequests. But overall i found it pretty boring. The driving is garbage, enemies are bullet sponges and once you get some upgrades there isn't even a point in fighting them anymore.
The shooting is great, the world is cool as fuck to explore, and the story is on point for the genre.
If you don’t like shooters or cyberpunk/sci-fi as a genre it probably won’t change your mind. The gameplay isn’t mind-blowing; it’s pretty average though the combat somewhat reminds me of Dishonored except without teleportation and time manipulation other than bullet time. The story is mostly well-written, but there’s one jarring plot hole about half-way through the main story, and the pacing is a little weird when it comes to interacting with Johnny because of the open-world nature; the dialogue, though, is good throughout.
As an RPG it’s very light. You have choices, and they matter and some of those choices you make by leaving dialogue and just doing something (like shooting a machine or just leaving the area). But you don’t get these all the time, and when you do you have like 3 or 4 options. The skill tree is big, but it’s also a mess (even now after it’s been reworked twice.) I always find myself overwhelmed by how many options there are, but underwhelmed by what they actually give.
I went in completely blind, knowing just the name and it’s a future shooter. It’s cool, I did side quests as they became available (ignoring storyline) and I think that’s the best way to do it, vs story first then side.
I’m disabled so played with a mouse only (kb for menus etc). I had a good time start to finish, and I only fucked up one side-quests (kinda mission design, kinda being an idiot). I haven’t played in a couple years, want to see what the new content is, just been hooked on other games.
I know the game “fell short” of hype but idc because I was interested and very very intentionally ignored all the hype bullshit. I feel I got my money’s worth, and enjoyed everything so far (story complete, all side as of 2y ago).
I thought the game was dull, characters was dull, voice acting was dull, not interesting story, Keanu was annoying. 4/10. Tried playing again after the new patch,and remembered the game was boring after 5 min.
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