BlackVenom,

Can we have Overwatch 1 instead?

soulifix,

I still think they’re gonna just launch Blizzard.net anyways, similar to Ubisoft games and EA games. Let’s not get too ahead now.

mudmaniac,

Lol. I have hundreds of hours on OW (NOT OW2) and Diablo III (not IV), and i can safely say I forgo ever playing those 2 games again because of the toxic entity that is Acti-Blizz. Not that I have much choice considering OW cannot even be played as its own game now.

IBNobody,

You’ll have to hold out for OW Classic (that you’ll have to rebuy).

mudmaniac,

That one single downvote is because they know it’s true. 🤣

Heffy,

Played alot of OW but really not a fan of OW2 and how the whole game revolves around the battle pass.

Was nice to just play a game or two a night, get my free lootbox and slowly get skins

Now unless you dedicate a full time job amount of hours, you’ll be lucky to get 4 unlocks a seasons

Plus single tank is awful

mudmaniac,

I left when I read that Blizzard staff got the axe while Kotick got himself a sweet sweet money enema of a bonus.

When Michael Chu left in 2020 i started playing more Monster Hunter and Genshin. When Jeff Kaplan left I finally uninstalled Battle.net.

Now unless you dedicate a full time job amount of hours, you’ll be lucky to get 4 unlocks a seasons

Thanks. At least I have some affirmation I made the right choice. At least I can be content I’m playing something worthwhile like Genshin. 🤣 🤣 🤣

electromage,

We still can’t get free expansions for WoW subscribers? I can’t think of any other service where you have to buy the software and pay to use it. Either you buy it and own at least that version outright or you pay a recurring fee for access to the latest version.

Myrbolg,

This used to be pretty common. And to be fair, I prefer this model compared to excessive cash shops. (WoW also has one which I don’t like, but at least there is no item shop. Though I’m sure they would if it not caused too much of a backlash)

Swarfega,

Guild Wars 2 has no monthly fee and has a cash shop but the items are either QoL improvements or cosmetic. There’s nothing there that gives the player an edge over non-paying players.

I really like the Guild Wars 2 model. The base game is free to play now too.

Myrbolg,

Yes, I played gw2 for a long time. Unfortunately, I didn’t like how WvW played essentially as big blobs stuck together. Pvp was interesting, but missed some objectives there. I’m currently trying WoW, it also has its many flaws, but is a new flavor for me.

RobertOwnageJunior,

Gw doesn’t really have anything that gives someone an advantage though. It’s designed completely different from WoW and to compare them in this way is kons of disingenuous.

Swarfega,

The idea is everyone can reach the same statistics in terms of weapons, armour and build. It’s skill that makes a player better than others. That’s why I avoid PvP and WvW :D

RobertOwnageJunior,

I know and that is exactly what I am saying. That’s why I prefer GW PvP over WoW PvP.

TheCraiggers,
@TheCraiggers@lemmy.world avatar

Goddamn I miss GW1. It was the opposite model where you bought the game but then could play for free forever.

But anyway, what an amazing game.

Swarfega,

This is the same in Guild Wars 2. They make their money from the shop and by selling expansions.

TheCraiggers,
@TheCraiggers@lemmy.world avatar

Oh I know. I was a huge fan of GW1. Wife and I bought GW2 opening day. And while it was an interesting game, it wasn’t for me. I loved the skill system in GW1. I spent too many hours designing skill builds while at work (shhh).

But that was gone for the sequel. I understand why they did it, but I still think it was a travesty to lose something so unique and well thought out.

xill47,

FFXIV also has this model, and tbf, every sub-based MMO. ESO, for instance, also requires you to buy latest expansions to be able to play it.

InternetTubes,

ESO doesn’t require you to buy the latest expansions to play them, they only require you to have an active subscription. Buying the expansions gives you the option to play them without the subscription.

FFXIV took after WoW, so no surprise there, but they also haven’t thrown away their earlier expansions either - in fact, to properly enjoy it, you should play through them in order, otherwise you are just rushing to an endgame of fashionwars for no reason.

The real reason this model persists is because MMO devs realize that they can milk a lot more from MMO addictions than from normal games, not because it needs to be.

CataclysmZA,
@CataclysmZA@lemmy.world avatar

The launcher isn’t really the problem, it’s the fact that Overwatch 2 isn’t making them any money!

haohao,

Now I’m not gonna buy/play them on steam too

LordyLord,

You and me both brother.

biofaust,

Reading the comments I tend to think that people are so unfamiliar with competition that they fail to recognize it when seeing it at work: if you have competition, stuff fails and dies. This idea that everything should survive and that I as the user should be the receptacle of thousands of shitty products preaching variety as an excuse for their existence is insane. Launchers existed, could have used IP as an advantage to develop a valid product instead failed and therefore will disappear. I still use GOG Galaxy no problem alongside Steam.

Osfox,

Hope, that sc2 would achieve some online from this move

sol,

Blizzard is trash and so is Steam

bonfire921,

Why is steam trash?

sol,
storcholus,

But steam is where I keep my trash. No need for a second pile

decadentrebel,
@decadentrebel@lemmy.world avatar

Being able to play the original Warcraft again would be awesome and nostalgic.

MeanEYE,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

If you mean Warcraft 2, then yes. If you mean 3, that’s not possible they killed that one for the “remake”.

decadentrebel,
@decadentrebel@lemmy.world avatar

I meant the first one. Orcs and Humans.

Auduras,

Ah, so that’s what you meant when you said “original” …

Phattybluntz,

You can score a copy of it on GoG. Then download Wargus and enjoy it with more modern controls ;)

wintermutehal,

This is great info! I wanted to try it, but the very dated controls stopped me in my tracks

Lenins2ndCat,
@Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world avatar

Desperate to find new Overwatch players I’m guessing. It’s been a massive failure.

changingfmh,

Great news for Linux users! Bnet was one of the better launchers, but having a launcher for 5 games is a bit silly.

noobdoomguy8658,
@noobdoomguy8658@feddit.de avatar

There’s nothing stopping them from pulling of a Rockstar move and still requiring you to use a launcher when you start the game in Steam.

XLRV,
@XLRV@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah, but it’s a bit easier to install the game directly from Steam instead of installing Bnet as a non Steam game and then downloading the game on Bnet.

russjr08,
@russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net avatar

So far that is not the plan - they could change it of course I’m sure, but it won’t be this way at launch.

MeanEYE,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

Awww, they are such a good guys. They are doing this for us and they want to make sure they respect user’s choice. Totally it’s not the fact Overwatch2 is not earning anything and other games have been in decline since Activision merger.

NuPNuA,

Probably more just prepping for the MS deal to be finished as they’ve promised to bring games to other platforms/launchers.

MeanEYE,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

With ActiBlizz it’s all about money. Just look at D3 auction house. They purposely dropped wrong items to players in order to force them to use auction house. When it was found out they backtracked. But it’s always been like that. Same with WoW and mounts. Etc. They keep milking everything.

I have never thought I’d see the day when I think MS is the good guy in a merger.

InternetTubes,

Burned my Battle.Net account when they shat on Taiwan advocacy, not keen to return given all the bullshit that has continued popping up about their abusive workspace environment. Maybe they can go to GOG and shit on Devotion together?

Nacktmull,
@Nacktmull@lemmy.world avatar

Such a shame that nobody cares - because Blizzard has been irrelevant for a long time

Kerred,

Isn’t Diablo 4 one of the top profitable games this year (if you include extra transactions), and are there deets on how much Overwatch 2 makes in a month?

Naturally gamers here don’t care, but I imagine much like Madden or Fifa the mainstream buys tons of Blizzard stuff.

When I did in home jobs decades ago there were quite a few people who played Warcraft and not even remotely familiar with other games let alone how to use their PCs

pizzatime,

your last sentence still sums up wow players decades later

Kerred,

Oh, ha.

I do run a game store nowadays and it’s interesting to see diehard board games on message boards get confused why their favorite games sell so poorly compared to more mainstream titles. 😌

Pumpkinbot,

“Profitable” does not always mean “good”.

Kerred,

The slogan since the antiquity

NuPNuA,

No, but it does mean “not irrelevant” which was OPs claim.

SCB,

Yeah but it’s also the best Diablo game ever made. 1 is the only one even close.

Hyperi0n,

Diablo 2 Resurrected is the best. Followed by Diablo 2 and then the original Diablo. Bottom 3 are Diablo 4 Diablo 3 and Diablo Immortal.

SCB,

We all have our takes.

Mine goes D4>=D1 > D3 >D2 (and I assume D2R)

No idea on Immortal from me, haven’t played it. Seems interesting but I’m weird about getting diablo on a phone

Widowmaker_Best_Girl,

They made a really hot character in Overwatch though. I’ll give them credit for that.

stephen01king,

Which one, specifically?

smacks,
@smacks@lemmy.ml avatar

Check his username lol

Widowmaker_Best_Girl,

Widowmaker. Hence the reason for my username

stephen01king,

How can I be so blind lol

Goblin_Mode,

I saw a comment the other day that said something to the effect of “shout out to r34 artists I didn’t even know overwatch was a real game until 2 years after it came out”

Widowmaker_Best_Girl,

Dude, Rule 34 artists made me utterly obsessed with the character and I still have never played either of the Overwatch games.

In fact, I know I would probably even hate playing as Widowmaker since she’s a sniper and I am garbage in that role lol.

NuPNuA,

I mean Diablo 4 is going gangbusters right now. They may be irrelevant to your tastes but clearly they’re pretty popular with gamers as a whole still.

Nacktmull,
@Nacktmull@lemmy.world avatar

I fully agree. My statement was meant to be subjective. Gaming became so mainstream, they can sell anything and make millions as long as the games have new shiny graphics. For me as a former Diablo2 player, Blizzard became irrelevant with Diablo3 being a huge disappointment and PoE coming out. As you say that is ofc just my opinion.

Sniatch,

Man I was really hyped for Diablo 4 but I think I just finished act 3 recently and I’m already bored. I don’t know what it is that makes the game so soulless to me

jugalator, (edited )

I agree but I’ve been around from Diablo 1 original launch and in my fourties now so I was just chalking it up to me growing out of it (“it” being Diablo and maybe gaming at large). I’m really bummed about it though because I expected a completely different feeling, even buying my console largely for it. Diablo 2 Resurrected cheated me, maybe out of nostalgia. I found that one really fun and thought D4 would learn D3 lessons and be amazing. But I barely feel anything playing through its campaign. It just feels like work. That I’m following a carefully planned treadmill and pacing with the monster scaling and all. In a grey world with generic monsters. Maybe it’s me, maybe it’s the game, maybe it’s both, but it’s made me finally begin disregarding Blizzard Entertainment games…

nac82,

Its dead after the story. They nuked endgame content imo.

Was not happy with the patch notes but signed in with my 4 friends. We beat the start of the new season stuff, then immediately saw how shit the season was about to be.

Basically after 2 short missions, you do NMD only. Helltide is worse than useless, which sucks because it was my favorite solo casual grind for endgame.

All 5 of us were off the game within an hour. We decided to go back to playing old games. 2 of us went back to playing Diablo 2 lol.

Diablo 4 is hot garbo rn.

CaptPretentious,

How much of that was just nostalgia and hype though. How much staying power does it actually have.

Hyperi0n,

D2R was amazing and D4 has a huge player base.

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