Many communities focus on various aspects of India, like memes, politics, movies and sports, just to name a few. These communities cater to the diverse online space for Indian topics and voices, and are collectively known as “Indiaverse”....
Are you asking about a specific episode or community of toxic behavior that originated there but has found its way here? If so, then my answer is no. Granted, I haven’t visited that other site in such a long time, I likely wouldn’t know if some specific instance of toxicity here was actually related to something over there. Also, I mostly avoid the communities here that are named similarly to subs over there which always seemed to be a magnet for drama or poor behavior. Mostly.
But if you’re asking in a more general sense, then my answer is yes(-ish). I have experienced and seen a fair bit of toxic behavior and numerous toxic users here. In many cases, the behavior and mannerisms mimic the toxicity I was used to seeing on the other site. So, I presume it’s something that originated there and then subsequently migrated here, but I obviously couldn’t say with complete certainty and absolute proof.
Granted, that’s not unexpected, and as other folks have already commented, toxic people and toxic behavior are pretty pervasive and ubiquitous on social media sites.
I think the chances for the fediverse having this are generally lower. I saw a rough estimate that puts our bubble at 1.5 million. By comparison, reddit is 500 million and YouTube is 2.5bn.
Yes, we are a bunch of nerds in that 1.5m number but we also value human input and generally seem to only use practical bots - and some people don’t even like those. We also have the bot account option, which should inspire more trust, though we have to trust that people actually use it.
Compared to reddit or YouTube, which I’ve personally seen as testing grounds for rolling out bot accounts. Whole subs dedicated to it. It’s not that it doesn’t, can’t, or won’t happen here, I know we have a number of repost bots from various instances - I’m moreso just saying that I think being so small helps. When the dead Internet arrives, the fediverse will have been one of the last bastions of human interaction on the Internet.
Except for mastodon. I see a lot of bots there compared to lemmy/Kbin
Yeah, I think this is a big part of it. The Star Trek sub’s total abandonment of Reddit and conversion to a standalone Lemmy instance during the Blackout was a big deal and a big driver of traffic in those days and beyond.
Star Trek is big in the Threadiverse for the same reason that Earth is big in the Federation. They were a massive force in the early days.
Considering the massive push across multiple lemmy instances to completely remove downvotes, leaving a comment is actually becoming the only way to state you dont like or want specific content on a sub.
The fediverse actively disagrees with you on how to filter content quality.
I have a Beehaw account and another that federates with .world. I enjoy my Beehaw account much more, to the point I almost never use the other account. There’s just much more valuable content here.
I do miss some of the more niche Reddit subs i frequented before the purge. That’s probably the only thing really lacking. And it probably more a testament to how busy I’ve been this year. I just don’t have the time to explore other instance’s communities that Beehaw does federate with.
There's a common false dichotomy about #Threads: cut them off, or leave it to user choice.I can't speak to other software, but Mastodon offers a third option: limiting Threads. This can be done for all users of a server....
I don’t think Lemmy does either…? It pushes updates to subs that at least someone on the receiving instance subscribes to (at least that’s how it worked last time I checked). That’s why there are scripts going around for new instances to automatically follow a bunch of popular subs to populate the All feed.
I think Mastodon works in the same way with users, where it sends updates for accounts that someone on the receiving end follows. So if nobody follows you from Threads it wouldn’t send any of your posts there.
Default instance blocks should largely replace defederation
Since what content users might want to see is quite unlikely to match which servers the admins tolerate, choosing instance on the Fediverse can be quite complicated, which is inconvenient and off-putting for new users.
For this reason, and simply that the Fediverse is stronger united, I believe defederation should ideally be reserved for illegal content and extreme cases. If Fediverse platforms would allow instances to simply block the rest for users by default, the user experience would be the same, unless they decide otherwise.
The second is content repetition. People (and bots) will frequently post the exact same content to multiple communities and multiple instances
Kbin shows where links have been posted on other federated servers. It's 10/10 for finding what community is actively discussing a post. I even found a few new subs I gave up on being active here.
Disclaimer: I like the Fediverse, Lemmy, and the concept of federation, I’ve been here for two years, and I feel grateful towards people working on this platform - devs and admins and mods and everyone else. As such, I hope that what I’m voicing is interpreted as constructive criticism and food for discussion....
Well sure, a 5 year old phone will lose most of these performance comparisons against modern phones, but will it lose badly enough for consumers to care?
My Samsung s9+ with Evolver Android 13 custom rom (and duo sim) is still a very good phone. Amoled screen, good camera and battery life still over a day when setting the brightness not too high. Not a scratch on it too. I don't use it daily though as it is a very big phone, but I take it when going out or on holiday because the camera on my iPhone SE is crap and as you mention for gaming.
I have been repairing tons of these phones here in the Netherlands and it is just a very solid phone that is very easy to repair. The s10 for instance comes with a single board instead of sub and mainboard like the s8 and s9 series, so when something is wrong with a USB, like not charging or connecting to PC or the mic doesn't work the board get's scrapped for usable components and these components come back on refurfed boards that we get back from Samsung (those are often a pain in the ass prone to not pass the quality checks after repair).
I still use an iPad 2 for making music and as MIDI controller for the Home Studio, I just dislike to throw away perfectly good hardware, as is my s9+
i got sick again so the financial update and also this thread are late. i’ll get the financial update up at a later point, or i might just combine it with january since there’s not that much to report as far as i can tell
Haven’t found a good use for Mastodon yet, but then again I don’t really miss Xhitter so it probably isn’t for me, anyway.
I usually just stick to Subs and Local on Lemmy, and since that means Beehaw, a tiny Danish instance and a board game community, I generally find that people are quite lovely.
The bad experiences don’t really come out of the woodwork unless I start browsing Everything.
World was already the biggest by far when I first started lurking back in July, and it’s just getting more dominant. Before, there was quite some diversity in the distribution of generic communities, but nowadays the vast majority of posts that reach the top are from over there....
TBH posting something 4+ times just seems silly with federation, we can all see it and it won't make a difference for anyone browsing new. A bit better now that crossposting exists (grouped for me on Kbin), but still. It might depend on subscribers a little bit but more likely you're just splitting the discussion up as there is no merging solution there yet (same for needing to sub to multiple communities to get all the content, but then probably having mess because of it).
I know there is no perfect way to do this, but posting to the the community that makes the most sense and then later crossposting to other communities (and potentially other instances) to get at-very-least different time exposure might make more sense, even better if it's actually new related content (and you link to the previous post).
Lemmit online is a lemmy instance that mirrors content from some subs from reddit. It seems to be federated and not blocked but when you subscribe to any of its community, you don’t get any new posts in your feed. Any clue about why?
Today, I added a box of related/random collections - I must admit that the ones you created are fantastic. Collection names can be repeated since they are user-assigned. I added the option to mark a collection as official - those with the highest number of followers in a given topic and with a specific name can be marked and...
I’m a nobody, but I’m officially supporting this decision of the devs to remove karma (user score aggregates) from the API. Because karma brings on a plethora of problems¹:
It is gamification of the system. As hinted by their PR, this is not healthy.
It leads to less varied and less interesting content, due to the fluff principle.
It feeds echo chambers, by giving people yet another reason to not confront them, even when moral and sensible to do so.
It shifts the focus from the content to the people, detracting from the experience of what boils down to a bunch of forums.
It is yet another reason for people to congregate in oversized and unruly communities, instead of splitting into smaller ones.
Re-enable it at the API level and continue hiding it in Lemmy-UI if that is your personal stance on the matter.
A lot of those issues will affect negatively your user experience, regardless of you using the karma feature or not. Simply because other people use it.
And it’s also the sort of "lead acetate"² feature that makes clueless users annoy the shit out of interface developers, until they add it. “I dun unrurrstand, y u not enable karma? Y u’re app defective lol l mao” style. With app devs eventually caving in.
As such, “leave it optional” is probably a bad approach.
Considering how easy it is to spin up troll accounts or amass multiple troll accounts across multiple instances, removing a useful metric for identifying them at a glance is, IMO, irresponsible.
This is a poor argument. It has some merit in Reddit³, but not in Lemmy.
You aren’t identifying trolls by karma. You’re assuming that someone is a troll, based on a bad correlation. Plenty users get low karma for unrelated reasons (false positive - e.g. newbie user unknowingly violating some “unspoken rule” of the local echo chamber), and plenty trolls get past your arbitrary karma wall³ (false negative).
So relying on karma to decide who’s a troll is not as effective as it looks like, and it’s specially unfair to newcomers, thus discouraging the renovation of the community. IMO it’s a damn shitty moderator practice.
Since trolling is mostly an issue when you get the same obnoxious troll[s] coming back over and over and over, under new accounts, to post gaping anuses again, and mods have no way to detect if the troll came back, mods should be upstreaming this issue to the admins of the instance of their comm - because the admins likely have access to your IP⁴, and can prevent the user from creating a new trolling account every 15 days.
And, if for some reason the admins are uncaring or uncooperative, the mods should be migrating the comm to another instance.
What Lemmy needs is not to enable shitty moderation practices. It needs better mod tools to enable good moderation practices:
the context of the content being reported should be immediately obvious, no clicks needed
there should be a quick way to check all submissions/comments of a user to your community
there should be a way to keep notes about users, and share them with the rest of the mod team
some automod functionality. Such as automatically reporting (not removing!) content or replying to the user based on a few criteria defined by the mods.
e.g. #2: If someone posts a particularly toxic comment but their score is high, I’m more likely to read through their history and conclude they’re having a bad day or something. Without the score, I will not read through and likely just ban them and move on.
IMO this is also a shitty moderation practice. Should I go further on that? [Serious/non-rhetorical question.]
NOTES:1. Since this is already a huge wall of text I didn’t go deep on each of those claims, but I can do so if desired/requested. 2. It’s sweet but poisonous. 3. Because in Reddit you can’t “migrate your sub to another Reddit instance”, and the only instance there happens to be administered by arsehats who give no fucks about you or your sub. It’s a dirtier situation that warrants dirtier solutions. 4. Anecdote exemplifying this claim: from 2020~22 I had multiple trolling accounts in Reddit, to shitpost in cooking subs (for some puzzling reason they’re cesspools). Guess how many times this sort of “you need more karma to post here” barrier locked me out? Zero. It’s simply too easy to comment some shitty one-line in a big community (I used r/askreddit for that) and amass 500, sometimes 2k karma points in a single go. 5. If instance admins do not have access to the IPs of the users engaging with their instances, regardless of where they registered in, that should be fixed.
@Blaze thanks for the invite, that's an interesting idea - but I don't know if federation currently allows us to cross-moderate between Lemmy and Kbin yet?
We should probably decide which community to keep at some point
https://lemm.ee/c/moviesandtv is obviously the bigger/main community on the threadiverse so definitely it needs to be kept!!!
Also everyone already migrated here once after the old instance shut.
Kbin is a relatively small instance, but I'm still committed to helping it maintain some basic communities because I think it's an important aspect as it grows. So I'm thinking for now, keep little !movies going too, maybe lean into theory/art/history type stuff over there a bit more.
Back when I was on reddit I used to enjoy both the big movies sub and the much smaller ones like flicks and truefilm, and now that Kbin has multi-communities that seems promising in terms of access.
Today, a test version of the aggregate view has been introduced on the instance. It's a mix of threadiverse and microblog formats, applying all filters, blacklists, sub filters, languages etc. After selecting *, the links to sub, mod, fav change, and navigation works within the aggregate view....
Like Reddit, KBin and Lemmy are 'link aggregators’
This means, in subject driven Communities (sub-reddits), people post links or images or their thoughts and others comment on them
Reddit is software that’s installed in one central location (server). This means it is owned and controlled by one single commercial entity.
Kbin and Lemmy are both software that are installed in multiple locations (servers), owned and controlled by multiple people and can be installed by anyone. This means no one can ever own or control the entirety of Lemmy.
Reddit, KBin and Lemmy can be accessed by users via websites or apps.
Reddit is centralised. If it disappeared tomorrow, it would be completely gone.
KBin and Lemmy are federated. If one instance (server) disappeared tomorrow, all the others would be unaffected and carry on as normal.
All instances of KBin and Lemmy can talk to all other instances of KBin and Lemmy, as long as they are federated.
Rule breaking and/or toxic instances/servers can be defederated by other servers/instances.
Reddit, KBin and Lemmy are all free to use. However, with Reddit you must contend with invasive privacy and advertising. The way to support KBin and Lemmy is to donate to the development team and the server/instance your account is on.
So much less clickbait and spam on Lemmy/kbin*, and what there is gets called out quickly. On reddit, I would open dozens of tabs a day, hoping for 5 or so articles worth reading and/or relavent comment threads.
Here, sorting through the cruft is much easier, and I end almost every day with zero new tabs left open, because I’m actually reading what I open without exhausting my attention-span or patience for bullshit.
*Although I sort by new and look only at my subbed feed, I am following hundreds of communities. As I picked a Dutch instance, following a few Machinist communities that migrated here, Local is a grab-bag of a few niche things I like, things I can’t read, and/or news that is mostly irrelavent to me to the point I have no context or frame-of-reference for it.
Honestly, I prefer this. I never meant to let reddit content grab as much of my time and attention as it had over the years.
With Artemis development on hold and the corresponding instance down, I started using this account again.
Are there any other mobile apps out there? I ended up experimenting with Lemmy a bit, but I find myself coming back to kbin. The communities I follow seem much more active here.
I miss my local city sub and Detroit Lions, that’s the only thing I can’t seem to replace here on fedi
I think it’s way worse. At least on Reddit you can find smaller niche subs that are full of serious-minded, intelligent and well-informed users who have no time for pure amateur hour bullshit. R/askhistorians would be the premiere example, but there are a lot of others.
It’s only on the big lightly-moderated subreddits that your signal-to-noise ratio really goes to shit, whereas all of Lemmy seems to be awash in teenage level discourse.
Hopefully it gets better as its user sse expands and diversifies into more tightly-focused and heavily-moderated instances.
Dealing with Indiaverse communities to prepare for the "Great Chuddi Exodus"
Many communities focus on various aspects of India, like memes, politics, movies and sports, just to name a few. These communities cater to the diverse online space for Indian topics and voices, and are collectively known as “Indiaverse”....
Lemmy users, have you seen toxicity migrate here from reddit?
Facebook Is Being Overrun With Stolen, AI-Generated Images That People Think Are Real (www.404media.co)
Dear Lemmy, **why** Star Trek??
Every single large server in this federation has at least one Star Trek community. There is even an entire server dedicated to Star Trek....
Sean Murray is risking another No Man's Sky launch disaster, but he knows exactly what he's doing and it's kinda genius marketing (www.pcgamer.com)
Is Beehaw federating with Threads?
I’m out of the loop. Are we federating with Threads or not?...
Erik Moeller on Mastodon: There's a common false dichotomy about Threads [...] (nerdica.net) en-gb
There's a common false dichotomy about #Threads: cut them off, or leave it to user choice.I can't speak to other software, but Mastodon offers a third option: limiting Threads. This can be done for all users of a server....
Do you think Lemmy is hurt by having too many dead/low-PPM communities?
Title is a bit of a loaded question but I tried to fit it into one sentence....
Biden says Netanyahu must change, Israel losing global support (www.reuters.com)
[Discussion] Reddit-like aspects of Lemmy that make no sense in a federation.
Disclaimer: I like the Fediverse, Lemmy, and the concept of federation, I’ve been here for two years, and I feel grateful towards people working on this platform - devs and admins and mods and everyone else. As such, I hope that what I’m voicing is interpreted as constructive criticism and food for discussion....
Can a Five Year Old Phone Compete Today? How Far has Android Come Since the LG V50? (youtu.be)
Well sure, a 5 year old phone will lose most of these performance comparisons against modern phones, but will it lose badly enough for consumers to care?
how's your week going, Beehaw
i got sick again so the financial update and also this thread are late. i’ll get the financial update up at a later point, or i might just combine it with january since there’s not that much to report as far as i can tell
How did Lemmy World become the default instance?
World was already the biggest by far when I first started lurking back in July, and it’s just getting more dominant. Before, there was quite some diversity in the distribution of generic communities, but nowadays the vast majority of posts that reach the top are from over there....
An alternative perspective on Alien.top and the Fediverser project
Tl:dr: Remember the human, even if the project doesn’t work, it wasn’t as useless as it may seem, resources consumption may be concerning...
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Anyone getting updates from lemmit.online?
Lemmit online is a lemmy instance that mirrors content from some subs from reddit. It seems to be federated and not blocked but when you subscribe to any of its community, you don’t get any new posts in your feed. Any clue about why?
RTR#30 Monthly Recap and Planned Next Steps (kbin.social)
Today, I added a box of related/random collections - I must admit that the ones you created are fantastic. Collection names can be repeated since they are user-assigned. I added the option to mark a collection as official - those with the highest number of followers in a given topic and with a specific name can be marked and...
Please reconsider removing user aggregate scores from the API (github.com)
Is your proposal related to a problem?...
Is Saltburn the most divisive film of the year? (www.theguardian.com)
cross-posted from: kbin.social/m/movies/t/664183...
RTR#27 Aggregate view, work on federation (kbin.social)
Today, a test version of the aggregate view has been introduced on the instance. It's a mix of threadiverse and microblog formats, applying all filters, blacklists, sub filters, languages etc. After selecting *, the links to sub, mod, fav change, and navigation works within the aggregate view....
How would you explain Lemmy/Kbin to a Reddit person or to a social media person? (kbin.social)
Trying to "recruit" more folks in Kbin but I think I lack enough information to describe Kbin effectively....
So... it's been a while now since the great exodus. How are you all doing my fellow refugees? (kbin.social)
I made my home here permanently now. It seems like such a friendlier place but how are you all doing?
What are Lemmy's unwritten rules?
I’ll start. Non serious answers also welcome...