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Masimatutu

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“i am an instance admin/mod on the fediverse. by signing this pact, i hereby agree to block any instances owned by meta should they pop up on the fediverse. project92 is a real and serious threat to the health and longevity of fedi and must be fought back against at every possible opportunity”

fedipact.online

Masimatutu, (edited )
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Oh lol they changed the interface. Just a day ago or so the colours were the opposite.

edit: proof

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  • You can follow Threads accounts after clicking through a warning.
  • People who don’t follow those same people won’t see their posts.
  • You have to manually approve followers from Threads.

Basically, it puts Threads in quarantine, without cutting off all connections.

social.coop/

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  • green checkmark = blocked
  • pink heart = blocked, signed fedipact
  • yellow exclamation mark = limited
  • red cross = not blocked
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“i am an instance admin/mod on the fediverse. by signing this pact, i hereby agree to block any instances owned by meta should they pop up on the fediverse. project92 is a real and serious threat to the health and longevity of fedi and must be fought back against at every possible opportunity”

fedipact.online

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Tumblr’s plans, too, are met quite warmly, just as federation should be. Corporate players are very unlikely to destroy Fedi due to its distributed nature, and are generally going to improve reach and strengthen the trend of federated social networks. It’s just that people and admins simply don’t want to have anything to do with the absolute shit show that is Meta.

Yet another approach on Threads (Jerry Bell) (infosec.exchange)

I continue to be squeezed by both sides of the threads situation. I am operating on the premise that people who think I’m a terrible person and this is a terrible instance for allowing any interaction with threads have left and/or blocked, those remaining seem to want to either have nothing to do with threads at all and are...

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Personally I’d never join such an instance, but I think it’s completely understandable for admins to do so since it makes moderation a lot more manageable.

Masimatutu, (edited )
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It’s important to note that XMPP is used no less than it was before Google messed around with it (I for one use it). It’s just that it was going to get mainstream when Google got into it, but then Google did Google things and killed the project, making it seem like Google killed the entirety of XMPP.

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I don’t think so. ActivityPub only fetches content if someone follows you, which you would have to manualy approve.

David Revoy made a picture... (stockage.framapiaf.org)

The recent excitement surrounding Thread’s arrival on the Fediverse is concerning. To understand why this is not a good idea, consider their economic interest in harvesting data, their poor moderation, and their manipulations. Nothing good can come from their federation. Don’t roll out the red carpet for them....

masimatutu, to fediverse en-gb

Default instance blocks should largely replace defederation

Since what content users might want to see is quite unlikely to match which servers the admins tolerate, choosing instance on the Fediverse can be quite complicated, which is inconvenient and off-putting for new users.

For this reason, and simply that the Fediverse is stronger united, I believe defederation should ideally be reserved for illegal content and extreme cases. If Fediverse platforms would allow instances to simply block the rest for users by default, the user experience would be the same, unless they decide otherwise.

@fediverse

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With blocking instances I mean also blocking all the users on that instance, which is the case on all platforms that allow it.

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Yes, but at least the user has the choice to reverse it for themselves, which I explained in the post.

Masimatutu, (edited )
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No, I wrote that they could be blocked by default but that the users would have the choice to manually opt in.

Edit: Also, the problem is that the instances people want to be on don’t always federate with the instances they want to see content from. Adding an extra server which people have no reason to want to join doesn’t solve anything.

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If you don’t like who an instance federated with, find a new instance that aligns with what you want.

Which is inconvenient and off-putting for new users.

Stop trying to force people to see that shit if they don’t want to.

Default blocks would solve this, while making the decision the user’s.

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Nah, content doesn’t get federated unless someone follows it. And I said it already I’m not for unconditional federation, if instances do illegal things (which gets well documented, no need to observe it directly), of course you should defederate.

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Good talk.

Masimatutu, (edited )
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Although I don’t think Beehaw blocks sh.itjust.works because it has content that they are uncomfortable hosting. The main reason is (as usual) the comfort of their users, but to help the Fediverse as a whole, instance blocking might be a more constructive approach.

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Now that is a fair criticism. But I suppose it wouldn’t matter all too much since the user decides themselves that they want to see it.

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Mastodon servers typically don’t federate images, though. Also, I don’t think people will defederate an entire server for one bot anyways.

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Also, how is moderation not about the user? It’s the user who uses the platform; if they wouldn’t care about them they wouldn’t moderate at all, or run an instance in the first place for that matter.

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But surely they won’t just let in guests for their own sake? They’re still doing it as a service for the guests, even if there are terms.

And I’d say that people from federated instances aren’t guests, they are more like people that can talk to your guests. Defederation is more like closing the window between the different parties so that they can’t talk to you because they disturb the peace and quiet. Then it seems entirely reasonable that your guests can still listen to them in a way that doesn’t affect the rest of your party.

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Maybe we’re taking this analogy too far. I just think that the promise of the Fediverse is to be able to be talk to anyone no matter where you choose to be and that we should try to keep this promise. Of course you should be able to keep people out if they disrupt, but it should remain a choice to see their content.

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You sure are, but you still have ethics to think about, am I right?

Edit: It also seems unfair to lock your party in and not letting them interact with people elsewhere.

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I’d say the Fediverse is a lot more ethical than corporate social media, and that it is the responsibility of everyone who is part of it to help keep it open and help it grow.

Masimatutu, (edited )
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Indeed, so it seems reasonable to help a countermovement grow. Defederation makes it quite a bit more complicated for new users to choose an instance and for anyone to switch instance, and goes a bit against the idea of open social media.

And if moderation is not done because it’s a choice to see them and they are barred from posting in one’s communities, the cost of federation is not very high (except, perhaps, i, edge cases like Beehaw where there is a very large defederated userbase with which users would like to interact)

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I’d say that figure isn’t quite as high. A lot of people for instance really want to be on Beehaw but are elsewhere because they want to be able to see the content outside their very restrictive moderation.

Also, it looks like a significant proportion of the lemm.ee userbase is there because of the open federation. What other appeal does an instance that doesn’t even allow photo uploads have?

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Hey – they’ve got trains! But on a more serious note, I do think there are people who want to see the more in-depth political discussion on there. And I’m just saying, it makes joining quite a bit more complicated, and seeing how many people are put off by the sheer existence of different instances, I think it does decrease the ease of entry for many.

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Yeah, some of them are quite funny but I can’t see how 1.1K people want that in their feed lol

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Off the top of my head I know they’re blocked by mander.xyz, lemm.ee and lemmy.ml.

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