UnPassive,

Last weekend I talked my wife into trying Linux on her desktop on an extra SSD I had, she loves it. Loves that she can customize everything, says it’s faster (especially boot time), we put it on her laptop last night

oscar,

What distro did you go with? My friend is showing intrest in trying Linux but I’m not sure what to recommend him. I use more advanced distros myself but I want it to work well for him OOtB while also not requiring any tinkering. I’m think of either some ubuntu-flavour or fork, like Kubuntu or maybe Mint.

Moderator,

Mint is for sure a good place to start. I personally run EndeavourOS with Cinnamon desktop and it’s been more trouble-free than anything Ubuntu based I’ve used (shocking, I know).

oscar,

Interesting! I used arch for about 2 years on my gaming rig and it worked fine but I was worried if he went with something based on Arch that he would eventually run into issues due to not properly maintaining it (avoiding partial upgrades for example). But I’m probably overthinking it. If he sticks to a GUI for installing and updating packages and avoid messing with the terminal initially it should be fine.

I will add EndeavourOS to a small list of recommendations (rolling vs point release) so he can decide for himself.

Niteshade,

Can’t go wrong with mint, I’ve been using it for years.

billiam0202,

Mint and PopOS! are the ones I’ve heard thrown about for “Users First Distro” ever since Canonical decided to do… whatever the fuck it is they’re doing to Ubuntu proper.

I’m using Mint now, and have exactly one complaint: I don’t like the default Cinnamon Firefox icon so I changed it, but every time there’s an update to Firefox it changes back. All things considered, that’s nothing to worry about.

Unkend,

Just install Linux and be done with them.

RealAirBoon,
@RealAirBoon@lemmynsfw.com avatar

This is literally your OS’s creator adding a backdoor, it could be anything bit they dont seem to care to do anything other than adware.

djmarcone,

That’s why win 10 was free, and still is. So is 11. You can still install and activate win 11 pro for free with a 7 pro key, today.

Its a freaking vector for selling you other crap.

You don’t even have to activate it at all. It’s fully functional forever unactivated. Just a watermark.

vacuumflower,

A malware company using malware practices. Nothing to see here, gents.

InternetTubes,

Nothing to see, except its effective monopoly in the OS PC sector and its presence in the entertainment and corporate industry.

skymtf,

I swear windows keeps getting worse, I have switched to MacOS 6 years ago and switched to Linux 3 years ago. I seriously never miss windows

spider,

and switched to Linux 3 years ago. I seriously never miss windows

If only I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard that…

BCat70,

You’d have, like, five dollars?

Kerrigor,
@Kerrigor@kbin.social avatar

Joke's on them, I switched. To Firefox

Reygle,
@Reygle@lemmy.world avatar

Microsoft is using malware-like pop-ups in Windows 11 to get people to ditch Google for malicious google copycat Bing+Edge

cyborganism,

I’m never installing windows 11.

I’m switching to full time Linux after Windows 10 becomes 100% obsolete.

ComradeKhoumrag,
@ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub avatar

I’m praying that the steam deck helps Linux support for games enough to fully uninstall windows

spiderplant,

How far behind do you think Linux gaming is?

Check protondb, I’d be surprised if you couldn’t play 9 out of your 10 most played games.

cyborganism,

Fuckin A. Same.

NeroAngra,

Been using Ubuntu Jammy for about 6months now. Have had 0 issues with any games on Steam.

Takes some slight tweaking for other games, such as RA2 Yuri’s Revenge, but it works.

If you have the patience for the occassional Google search you can switch any time.

netchami,

You can switch to Linux before Windows 10 becomes unsupported. The sooner the better for you, your privacy and your digital freedom in general.

cyborganism,

I’m already dual-booting.

So I already have one foot in the door. LoL

netchami,

That’s great, I wish you the best of luck on your journey towards freedom.

TheMorningStar,

Maybe it’s because I disable things and go through the settings with a fine tooth comb after a fresh install but I never see this stuff. Not discounting others’ experiences either. Can’t imagine being inundated with this stuff like some are claiming they are.

vim,

I mean, yes, you can do that, but then that brings us to the question: why does the user have to do that, spend a lot of time changing settings to make an OS bearable? Imho, any OS should ship with sensible defaults that have the user in mind.

kuneho,
@kuneho@lemmy.world avatar

If there’s little to no need to go through the settings, you probably will miss a lot of them and never know.

Also, I think after a fresh install going through some settings to check out what you have, what you don’t have and what you can have is not something only power users should do, but that’s a power user’s opinion 😅

vim,

Thing is, most normal users do not care about the settings. They use the computer like a TV, turn it on and expect it to work.

Nothing is stopping power users from looking through the settings to find good things to tweak, of course, but setting weird defaults to make a user look at their settings is indefinitely worse than, say, an optional tour of the OS that greets the user on their first login.

kuneho, (edited )
@kuneho@lemmy.world avatar

Same. With Windows 10, everyone was like there are ads and shit in the Start menu and browser nagging and all that jazz - never ever seen any of them. After fresh install, I do my settings, let it sit for a while to do the Windows Update, delete (uninstall) all the unneccessary tiles from Start and that’s it, literally.

ohlaph,

I just got an ad in my PAID for MS Office subscription Outlook. If they start showing me ads, I’ll be cancelling and using the free shit.

It’s the only place I have seems ads so far…

Tranus,

I didn’t feel like it was that much when I used windows either. But then I started dual booting linux, and I realized just how much I had been ignoring. I had just gotten used to closing every notification without reading it. It’s kind of cursed knowledge thing. It only takes like <10s a day, but once I noticed it it really bothered me.

Abnorc,

Microsoft loves popups. It feels like it is at least a few times that MS office puts a pop up in front of some button that I’m going to click to tell me about a new feature that I won’t use. Admittedly, I don’t know how to tell users about new features in a better way, but annoying users can’t be right.

SmoothLiquidation,

I remember an old anecdote from sometime around 2005, that Microsoft did a survey to see what features people wanted added to the Office suite, of the top 10 requested features, 8 were already in the products and the users didn’t know about them.

The whole suite was bloated with stuff most people didn’t need, or at least very rarely needed, but no one wanted to take time to take a class on Excel, or read patch notes, or whatever.

WhoRoger,
@WhoRoger@lemmy.world avatar

Microsoft is using malware-like Windows 11

Removed fluff

CharlestonChewbacca,
@CharlestonChewbacca@lemmy.world avatar

How are you guys seeing this? I constantly hear these complaints but never see it myself.

AceFuzzLord,

I assume it’s just a test they’re running on specific groups of people just to see how effective it is in getting people to switch. I’ve never had any of these types of things happen to me either, so, yeah.

CharlestonChewbacca,
@CharlestonChewbacca@lemmy.world avatar

Makes sense. I guess I’ve been a very lucky boy.

MonkderZweite, (edited )

Depends on the laws of the country with the language you picked during setup.

e.g. use UK english or German for setup and change after.

At least until they switch to detect via IP range or whatever.

Yeti_Rider,

Oh maybe that’s it. I’ve also never seen any kind of popup or ad (same thing for my Samsung TVs) that I’ve seen people mentioning.

I had no idea why I might be spared.

CharlestonChewbacca,
@CharlestonChewbacca@lemmy.world avatar

I’m in the US, using English as my language. Idk, this is weird.

The_Mixer_Dude,

I’m in the US and the only time I see mention of edge is when installing windows and then again when changing my default browser, which is kinda silly but not something I bother wasting mental energy to care about when it’s something that shows up once and then never again. I would love to see legislation in the US match what some of the European countries have but considering how things could be, it’s of least concern to me. I paid for Windows once in my life via an OEM license I ordered from a German retailer and I’ve had about 16 or so computers since then and all of those have either been custom built machines, used computers, or parted together boxes so if they want to bug me about installing their browser which effectively will recoup revenue based on data from me which varies from useless to misleading and probably becomes a net negative and moves them further from their goal. Then sure, I don’t mind clicking that “no thank you” button

xePBMg9,

The yes and no button do the same thing.

CharlestonChewbacca,
@CharlestonChewbacca@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, same.

PopOfAfrica,

I installed windows 10 on my brothers PC for him the other day after a catastrophically corrupted prior install. I saw seven ads by my count.

Ones for Spotify, onedrive, office 365, several for gamepass.

Yoru,
@Yoru@lemmy.ml avatar

Windows acting like oldschool viruses, giving random ad pop-ups 💀

CharlestonChewbacca,
@CharlestonChewbacca@lemmy.world avatar

Did you install an official version? I’ve never seen those.

PopOfAfrica,

Yes Sir, straight from the windows media creator tool

elrik,

I’m not sure how this is different from Google pushing popups in every Google app to switch to Chrome.

supercriticalcheese,

I don’t recall seeing a popup like this from Google, but even still a popup in the os should be for important messages not for advertising

elrik,

They do, and it’s also mentioned in the article. While I agree, for many people the browser is effectively their os, and so we shouldn’t discount the weight of browser notifications simply because they’re not originating from the host os.

chaorace,
@chaorace@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

What’s your point, exactly? Let’s say we accept your premise that this is an unfair double-standard that Microsoft shouldn’t have to respect… have you considered the logical conclusion that this creates? That the public should just… blithely accept Google-style nag prompts baked into literally any piece of software or hardware, even when they hold a paid license? I don’t think a reasonable person would intentionally advocate for such a thing, so please help me understand what you really meant.

elrik,

That’s neither my premise nor the logical conclusion of the premise you invented.

A reasonable person should interpret my comment to mean that Google does the same thing, and if you feel a certain way about Microsoft for doing this, you should feel the same way about Google.

chaorace,
@chaorace@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I see! Thank you for clarifying. I am very sorry for inventing premises and arriving at illogical conclusions.

nfsu2,
@nfsu2@feddit.cl avatar

While both companies are predatory I would never use Edge because its so bad and bloated its not even funny.

StarServal,
@StarServal@kbin.social avatar

Edge is just Chromium now.

coffeebiscuit,

Always has been.

umami_wasbi,

I want the old Edge (pre-Chromium) back. It is the best EPUB reader. Simple yet elegant. Sad they doesn’t bring it back.

Johnmannesca,
@Johnmannesca@lemmy.world avatar

Why not just use Calibre?

umami_wasbi,

Calibre performance is worst then the old Edge in term of loading time. The old Edge loads almost instantly. Plus the interface is more user friendly then Calibre.

idotherock,

And I feel like that happened really quickly. It doesn’t feel like that long ago that Edge was a nice, nimble browser. Not this bloated naggy beast it is now.

pjhenry1216,

I find Edge better than Chrome at the very least. Granted, I don't use either as my main options, but between the two Edge seems more responsive and lighter than Chrome (and before anyone misunderstands, I know they both use the same engine, I'm referring to ... well, prior to Google, I would have referred to it as the chrome, but can't really do that now... the application around the engine).

Neato,
@Neato@kbin.social avatar

Edge is better than Chrome. Which isn't that hard these days...

nfsu2,
@nfsu2@feddit.cl avatar

Really? I have tested Edge on other people’s pc long time ago. Whats your opinion on it.

Phantom3805,

I daily edge at work because I just wanted to and I like how it integrates with our domain. It’s fine, but I did have to spend some time turning off weird things like price trackers or whatever it was.

I still use Firefox at home though.

Yoru,
@Yoru@lemmy.ml avatar

I use firefox all the time but I get random freezes and stutters when I’m watching YouTube. Is it because of the number of addons I have?

lemme_at_it, (edited )

Run Firefox with all add-ons disabled for a baseline check.Then turn on/off hardware acceleration in settings

samokosik,
@samokosik@lemmynsfw.com avatar

Switching to Linux was a great decision. Windows has gone downhill since 2009

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