Any way to listen to music (privately?)

I’m going insane. I cannot for the life of me find a suitable way to listen to music privately. I’m on iOS, and I don’t know whether to just stick to Apple Music or give up on music in general (I tried, TRIED to go local, but all the apps are shitty). Any way to listen to music and not have your data compromised? Should I just stick to Apple Music and hope that laws change (maybe something like EU’s DMA?)

Edit: Hey all! First of all, thank you so much for all the recommendations! I’ve discovered so many great apps and tools I didn’t even know existed (and it has also brought my hopes up for privacy in general). Even though it’s still not perfect, I’ve been using foobar2000 on iOS, downloading music I find (I’m still using Apple Music for discovery, but will probably stop when my subscription ends this month). For desktop I’m using HyperPipe, which although a little buggy at times is so awesome! One thing I do miss about this system is the lack of lyrics. Apple Music has such a beautiful UI when it comes with lyrics, but you can’t have it all when it comes to privacy it seems. Thanks for the amazing discussion! I’m so far loving Lemmy ;)

darkwiiingduck,

You know you can use the Apple Music app for local files right?

astrobound,

i believe it logs your listening history even with local files and uploads it to apple. i could be completely wrong but iirc itunes used to do this too back in the day

shortwavesurfer,

Have a copy of all your music and use syncthing if apple allows it that is. Otherwise get a deegoogled android running grapheneOS

TheAlchemist,

Getting/syncing music isn’t really a major problem for me, a decent audio player (with minimal features such as a queue and a decent UI) is what I’m trying to find.

ForestOrca,
@ForestOrca@kbin.social avatar

VLC?

I feel like all the answers are so far beyond what I do. Basically VPN to Invidio.us, record with Audio Hijack, put on my phone, and play on VLC. Curious what all the elite privateers think?

01189998819991197253,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

Why vpn you invidio.us? Why not directly? Invidio.us acts as the middleman to yt anyway, right?

E: autocorrect correction.

nus,
@nus@mstdn.social avatar

@01189998819991197253 @ForestOrca the gateway to the middleman to yt
but if you don't trust the instance, then you vpn to it :undefined:

01189998819991197253,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

You’re right. I assumed trust in the instance, but should never assume that. Of course, by using a vpn, you’re assuming it is trustworthy. I guess you gotta trust someone somewhere, at least enough to hop to the next stone.

nus,
@nus@mstdn.social avatar

@01189998819991197253 To be online, you totally do. :undefined: Adding extra layers helps a little bit I think.. after all, the VPN can't see exactly what video you're looking at, and then the Invidious instance can't see where you're really located...

01189998819991197253,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

I agree 100%. The VPN, though, can see what address you’re visiting, and the address is unique to the video. That’s where the trust in the VPN comes into play. With the VPN, invidio.us can’t see your location, and with invidio.us, YouTube doesn’t know who you are. So many layers! I love it!

ReversalHatchery,

Why record with an app? Some invidious insurances allow downloading. There’s a drop-down menu on the video page.

ForestOrca,
@ForestOrca@kbin.social avatar

Right, if dl'able then no need to record. I was trying to list my method in the most general sense.

quantenzitrone,

If anyone is interested, i recently developed my own system of defining my music library declaratively in the Nix programming language and started switching to it. It creates folders as playlists and can automatically download the music from YouTube or SoundCloud. I plan to expand and improve this further.

I doubt this will work on IOS tho, sorry OP.

codeberg.org/…/declarative-music.nix

Vendetta9076,
@Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah. Buy it directly from the artist then throw it all into a self hosted service like plex or jellyfin.

PastorHaggis,
@PastorHaggis@lemmy.world avatar

Yup. Buy CDs, vinyl or digital from Bandcamp or from the artist direct and then host it on Plex.

I’ve thought about trying jellyfin but Plexamp is just so nice that I don’t think I could leave it.

Vendetta9076,
@Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works avatar

There is finamp Im told but yeah plexamp is goated

ritchie,

There’s also navidrome, if you only want to stream music.

Certainly_No_Brit,

If you only need music streaming, then a service like Navidrome may be better.

Vendetta9076,
@Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works avatar

Fair enough. Ive never used navidrome

guyrocket,
@guyrocket@kbin.social avatar

I still buy CDs. And back then up to play in my truck. And rip them.

I still think OWNING media is a good idea. No privacy issues at all.

mp3,
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

Most of the stuff I listen to isn’t mainstream and the band are on Bandcamp. It’s great being able to buy the FLAC version right away.

kick_out_the_jams,

https://daily.bandcamp.com/features/bandcamp-fridays-update

it's worth noting that the first friday of each month they usually forgo their cut so more money goes to the artists.

LazerDickMcCheese,

Always this, never let physical copies die. They can’t revoke shit legally bought and personally archived

BraveSirZaphod,
@BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social avatar

Vinyl has gotten so big at this point (and is also extremely profitable relative to streaming), that it's not in any danger at all.

guyrocket,
@guyrocket@kbin.social avatar

Vinyl is damn expensive.

BraveSirZaphod,
@BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social avatar

Hence it being extremely profitable.

guyrocket,
@guyrocket@kbin.social avatar

You're not wrong.

RVMWSN,

I don’t think you should expect any privacy on an Apple device

jvrava9,
@jvrava9@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Im on a Jailbroken iPhone with all Apple network requests blocked with AdGuard and no Appleid.

01189998819991197253,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

Any way you could share the guide you used?

TheAlchemist,

+1 would really like to know more

jvrava9,
@jvrava9@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

How to Sideload apps, How to Jailbreak, Jailbreak Megathread. AdGuard Pro .ipa. My Blocklst Lists. The lists are Very aggressive, I suggest you to maintain a Whitelist. For getting apps without an Apple ID, check out some sources, repo’s and telegram channels Here.

01189998819991197253,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

Awesome! Thank you!

blitzen,
@blitzen@lemmy.ml avatar

Honestly, I’d trust a vanilla iPhone over that hacked together mess you’ve got going there.

jvrava9,
@jvrava9@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

You may be right if you are not as concerned about privacy and being able to not rely on the App Store for everything. I can install any app that is not in the App Store. Ex: new encryption laws come out like in the UK and all Matrix clients are removed from the App Store. I can still download them because I don’t rely on the App Store.

Nikls94,

You could get Spotify and switch it to private.

I don’t really care about other knowing what music I listen to and even use the “AI" to give me songs that I might like. Most of them are not my type but there is 1 or maybe 2 every week that are good that I’d‘ve never searched for.

ExLisper, (edited )

Exactly, what are the privacy risks of letting someone know what type of music do you like?

Nikls94,

Maybe getting sold tickets to a concert?

(Which I would consider a win, because I always think about that when it’s sold out)

piromantik,
@piromantik@hispagatos.space avatar

@ExLisper @Nikls94 Basically predicting and modifying your behavior. Here's a paper that explains how it's done: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S235215461730044X

The article frames behavior modification as a health advancement, but whoever can alter a habit can do so both to heal and to alter your vote or discourage you from protesting, and to make you accept unacceptable living conditions. Tell me what you listen to, and I'll tell you who you are (and eventually I'll make you be who I want).

ExLisper,

This article pretty much says that listening to relaxing music can help you with stress levels. Saying that spotify can use the same mechanism to make you vote for Trump by slightly changing what songs are in your ‘daily mix’ playlist is a bit of a stretch.

yyy,

DeezLoader to download via Deezer api then upload to Astiga to listen on all devices.

MigratingtoLemmy,

Self-host your library? I don’t know why that seems so hard, going by your phrasing.

If you absolutely must listen to music online (I empathise, I need to do so to find new music), here’s what I do: Librewolf with Ublock Origin, Cookie Manager, Dark Reader, NoScript + music.youtube.com.

No advertisements, minimal tracking (because you will explicitly disable every other script than the one(s) required to stream music). Use a VPN and fake your user-agent/browser fingerprint for more privacy (haven’t done it since I can’t figure out how to do so for Firefox).

Cheers

metacolon,
@metacolon@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Resonate is really nice. There aren’t that many artists yet tho…

sabreW4K3,
@sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf avatar

Have you considered Funk Whale, the Spotify of the Fediverse?

funkwhale.audio

hellfire103,
@hellfire103@sopuli.xyz avatar

If you want a streaming service, you could try HyperPipe. It’s an alternative frontend to YT Music. There’s also BeatBump, but it doesn’t really work.

If you wanted to go local (which I recommend), have you tried foobar2000? It’s proprietary, but I trust it and it does its job very well. No ads, no data collection at all, and it plays just about every audio format you’ll normally come across (apart from MIDI files). You can also customise it with skins, sync over FTP, and play internet radio streams.

TheAlchemist,

First of all, I love this thread as I keep finding new stuff I’ve never heard about. HyperPipe is awesome and it eases my anxiety that there are still private options for music. For foobar, the iOS app is pretty snappy, though it’s missing a queue feature. A feature as simple as that is kind of a deal breaker for me. Any hope that there’ll be future updates to the iOS app?

hellfire103,
@hellfire103@sopuli.xyz avatar

AFAIK the app is still maintained. I could put a feature request in on the forums.

willya,
@willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

Local with Plex and Plex amp was my best experience. It’s really well done.

Samsy,

Jellyfin + Finamp is usable, too.

poofbirb,
@poofbirb@lemmy.ml avatar

an MP3 player like foobar2000 …?

Ashiette,

If you don’t want to go local or want a streaming service : qobuz is the less shitty of all options regarding privacy.

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