Any way to listen to music (privately?)

I’m going insane. I cannot for the life of me find a suitable way to listen to music privately. I’m on iOS, and I don’t know whether to just stick to Apple Music or give up on music in general (I tried, TRIED to go local, but all the apps are shitty). Any way to listen to music and not have your data compromised? Should I just stick to Apple Music and hope that laws change (maybe something like EU’s DMA?)

Edit: Hey all! First of all, thank you so much for all the recommendations! I’ve discovered so many great apps and tools I didn’t even know existed (and it has also brought my hopes up for privacy in general). Even though it’s still not perfect, I’ve been using foobar2000 on iOS, downloading music I find (I’m still using Apple Music for discovery, but will probably stop when my subscription ends this month). For desktop I’m using HyperPipe, which although a little buggy at times is so awesome! One thing I do miss about this system is the lack of lyrics. Apple Music has such a beautiful UI when it comes with lyrics, but you can’t have it all when it comes to privacy it seems. Thanks for the amazing discussion! I’m so far loving Lemmy ;)

myself,

tried to go local but the apps are shitty

die-hard poweramp fan here but idk if it also exists for ios

metacolon,
@metacolon@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Resonate is really nice. There aren’t that many artists yet tho…

sabreW4K3,
@sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf avatar

Have you considered Funk Whale, the Spotify of the Fediverse?

funkwhale.audio

poofbirb,
@poofbirb@lemmy.ml avatar

an MP3 player like foobar2000 …?

Ashiette,

If you don’t want to go local or want a streaming service : qobuz is the less shitty of all options regarding privacy.

Nikls94,

You could get Spotify and switch it to private.

I don’t really care about other knowing what music I listen to and even use the “AI" to give me songs that I might like. Most of them are not my type but there is 1 or maybe 2 every week that are good that I’d‘ve never searched for.

ExLisper, (edited )

Exactly, what are the privacy risks of letting someone know what type of music do you like?

Nikls94,

Maybe getting sold tickets to a concert?

(Which I would consider a win, because I always think about that when it’s sold out)

piromantik,
@piromantik@hispagatos.space avatar

@ExLisper @Nikls94 Basically predicting and modifying your behavior. Here's a paper that explains how it's done: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S235215461730044X

The article frames behavior modification as a health advancement, but whoever can alter a habit can do so both to heal and to alter your vote or discourage you from protesting, and to make you accept unacceptable living conditions. Tell me what you listen to, and I'll tell you who you are (and eventually I'll make you be who I want).

ExLisper,

This article pretty much says that listening to relaxing music can help you with stress levels. Saying that spotify can use the same mechanism to make you vote for Trump by slightly changing what songs are in your ‘daily mix’ playlist is a bit of a stretch.

Harry_h0udini,
@Harry_h0udini@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

For Android- Blackhole | web - beatbumb and hyperpipe

utopia_dig,
@utopia_dig@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m using Qobuz. Since it is a rather small service, I just hope it is more private than the “big players” like Spotify/Apple Music. But the main benefits of Qobuz are the audio quality and the (afaik) highest payment per streamed song for artists.

MigratingtoLemmy,

Love Qobuz. It’s fucking beautiful

IGuessICan,

Beware, though… I found that the Qobuz app sends data to google-analytics.com, app-measurement.com, mixpanel.com, crashlytics.com, and graph.facebook.com, possibly others. This is all BEFORE EVEN LAUNCHING the app. I don’t consider Qobuz to be good for privacy…

utopia_dig,
@utopia_dig@lemmy.ml avatar

Which lossless streaming service do you consider to be better for privacy? Deezer, Tidal, …?

Mcballs1234,
@Mcballs1234@lemmy.ml avatar

Yarrr harrr didgeridoo

willya,
@willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

Local with Plex and Plex amp was my best experience. It’s really well done.

Samsy,

Jellyfin + Finamp is usable, too.

Vendetta9076,
@Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah. Buy it directly from the artist then throw it all into a self hosted service like plex or jellyfin.

PastorHaggis,
@PastorHaggis@lemmy.world avatar

Yup. Buy CDs, vinyl or digital from Bandcamp or from the artist direct and then host it on Plex.

I’ve thought about trying jellyfin but Plexamp is just so nice that I don’t think I could leave it.

Vendetta9076,
@Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works avatar

There is finamp Im told but yeah plexamp is goated

ritchie,

There’s also navidrome, if you only want to stream music.

Certainly_No_Brit,

If you only need music streaming, then a service like Navidrome may be better.

Vendetta9076,
@Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works avatar

Fair enough. Ive never used navidrome

Cowremix,

Classic iPod or mp3 player? Also, the “Music” app on iOS still works like iTunes. You can load albums directly from your computer, even without an Apple Music subscription. Or you could get a Walkman.

jvrava9,
@jvrava9@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Jailbreak your iPhone if you can or use AltStore or Trollstore is avalable on your device to sideload Spotify++ which allows you to have Spotify Premium for free, tho you can’t download songs sadly. Then, sign up for an account using an email from 10minutemail.net and you are done. Or just use VLC with downloaded songs.

Aatube,
@Aatube@kbin.social avatar

It sounds like they have Apple Music already. And their problem is privacy, not price.

PartyPooper,

Guess I’ll be the one to ask. Why do you want music privacy?

NENathaniel,
@NENathaniel@lemmy.ca avatar

Yea of all the things to keep private, my music listening habits isn’t one of them. Tbh the algorithms give me good recommendations

floofloof,

The companies that aggregate data and find patterns in them can probably predict a lot about you from your music listening habits, when they correlate it with data about other people, or even about yourself. The power of profiling isn’t in any specific data but in the patterns that emerge when you gather a lot of diverse data about a lot of people.

Listening habits will tell them about your routine, including where you are, when, and when you have time to listen to music (so, therefore, when you don’t). If you don’t ever listen to music between 8pm and 10pm, for example, it may indicate that you have children to put to bed. If you listen mostly between 12am and 5am it may indicate that you work a nightshift. If you listen between 8 and 9 and again between 5 and 6, you’re probably a commuter. When you listen on a computer and when on mobile will tell them something too. And these are only the obvious patterns that I can think of off the top of my head. AI systems running on big data are designed to find patterns humans don’t notice.

And of course the styles of music you listen to will be readily correlated with demographic profiles. When you feed data into AI systems designed to find patterns people can’t spot, you’ll find the most unlikely data reveals things about people that they’d never imagine you could know.

Given this, it’s entirely possible that your music listening telemetry could eventually influence your credit score, your insurance premiums, your qualification for security clearances or your employability. You don’t know where the data ends up, or with what other data it’s correlated. This is why it’s desirable in general to keep data private if it’s not needed to provide the service.

ArtisinalBS,

You assume to know what kind of information is leaking when you use these apps.
How did you come to have these proprietary information?

Unless you have proof otherwise - I’m going to assume that they have access to: My location, my ip, typing speed and common spelling mistakes, IMEI identifiers , installed social media apps…

Now all it takes to make an online profile about you is just one more app or website that leaks the same kind of information

guyrocket,
@guyrocket@kbin.social avatar

I still buy CDs. And back then up to play in my truck. And rip them.

I still think OWNING media is a good idea. No privacy issues at all.

mp3,
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

Most of the stuff I listen to isn’t mainstream and the band are on Bandcamp. It’s great being able to buy the FLAC version right away.

kick_out_the_jams,

https://daily.bandcamp.com/features/bandcamp-fridays-update

it's worth noting that the first friday of each month they usually forgo their cut so more money goes to the artists.

LazerDickMcCheese,

Always this, never let physical copies die. They can’t revoke shit legally bought and personally archived

BraveSirZaphod,
@BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social avatar

Vinyl has gotten so big at this point (and is also extremely profitable relative to streaming), that it's not in any danger at all.

guyrocket,
@guyrocket@kbin.social avatar

Vinyl is damn expensive.

BraveSirZaphod,
@BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social avatar

Hence it being extremely profitable.

guyrocket,
@guyrocket@kbin.social avatar

You're not wrong.

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