I have a network-wide pi hole and I noticed that it requested activity.windows.com, a url blocked by my pi hole, even while my pc is suspended. I pinged 10.0.0.217 and it is currently unreachable. So, somehow, windows pc’s turn on networking, phones home, and turns off even while suspended.
When pihole blocks a dns request, devices often keep trying to connect until the connection is successful. So yea, no shit it’s ginna keep trying to query that domain repeatedly, including when you’re sleeping.
aka S0 sleep/Modern Standby.
It has some legitimate benefits like returning from sleep immediately. Kinda want it on linux but without all the telemetry crap (but it’s really, really hard to pull of at an OS level)
Definitely creepy that it phones home in the first place.
But it’s not necessarily creepy that it keeps trying; it could just be sloppy programming. Hanlon’s Razor comes to mind. Microsoft Teams behaved in a similar way apparently. If you blocked it phoning home at the network level it would buffer gigabytes of data on disk until the disk was full.
I guess so - I’ve actually never used Teams. There are lots of potential mitigations, but sandboxing is not really a solution to buggy code. For some better engineering discussion on the topic, there’s the series of articles Transparent Telemetry, in particular The Design of Transparent Telemetry.
There actually exist a couple options on Linux, Snap and Flatpak versions of Chrome based browsers. Both of them are sandboxed forms of software packaging.
The fact that windows has so much telemetry is creepy yes. The fact that it will keep trying to ping the domain when blocked is not creepy and is basic tech functionality.
Shutdown is hybrid sleep anyway. Best of both worlds.
Also FYI you have to restart to properly shut down Windows now. If you shut down and then turn it back on it will just resume from S4 hybrid sleep. Shut down does not normally shut down, it enters a zero power sleep state. Restart actually shuts down and reboots the OS.
I think hybernation is really meant for when you want near zero power but a little trickle for something specific to wake the PC, eg an external device or network port. You can also sometimes do this directly in BIOS, if it has the facility.
Sleep keeps the system on but in a low power state. User and kernel sessions are kept in RAM. If power is lost, you start from a clean session. The system can resume full power with a key press or mouse movement.
Hibernate dumps the user and kernel session from RAM to disk and completely powers off. Upon startup, the hiberfil.sys file is read and put back into RAM. The physical power button must be pressed to turn on.
Hybrid Shutdown uses a feature called Fast Startup. The user session is discarded, while the kernel session is written to disk before the system completely powers off. Upon startup, the hiberfil.sys file is read and puts the kernel session back into RAM. The last logged on user has their profile preloaded, including any apps that support the feature. The physical power button must be pressed to turn on.
You can disable Fast Startup or simply hold SHIFT and click Shutdown. The feature requires the user to press the Shutdown button within Windows for it to function. If you press the physical power button on your case, that is an ACPI initiated shutdown and bypasses the Fast Startup feature. This is by design.
Your motherboard firmware controls whether or not the USB ports will continue to supply power when the system is off. It’s essentially like a wall brick at this point.
Fast Startup was really meant for HDD. With SSD it’s not really necessary. It’s negligible time savings and with how buggy drivers can be, days or weeks old kernel sessions are bound to start causing problems.
Thanks for the extra detail. Yes, Fast Startup can be disabled in various ways. The point I was making was that clicking Windows, Shut Down by default doesn’t really do what most people think it does, what it used to always do.
It got disabled one day on my 8th Gen i7 XPS. It was driving me crazy trying to figure out why it keep cooking it self alive in my backpack. It’s since been demoted to house use, sleep is still useless even after many FW updates and fresh os install. That thing used to last weeks on battery just closing the lid. Now it can’t make it though the night. I wish I could turn it back on in this case, my new laptop is much better about it.
Yeah. It’s amazing how my windows laptop, whilst sleeping, whirrs all its fans up on the middle of the night. I am not suggesting that is it sending out telemetry, but it is fucking infuriating for sleep to mean anything other than “stop doing anything until I tell you to wake up”.
That is because recent laptops don’t “sleep” like before with s4 (hybernate) or other sx.
They have some sort of tucking clock waiting for windows to wake up to check for updates.
In theory it allows to keep everything up to date while people are not working.
However un proactice, it drains battery and overheats laptops, because Microsoft implemented that feature like crap, or the partners did some stupid things.
It was supposed to only activate when the laptop was plugged in. However if the laptop was plugged in, put on sleep, then unplugged, windows still believed that the laptop was plugged in.
Now I don’t know if windows ever solved that issue after people brought it up and Linus from Linus tech tips complained to Microsoft.
Yep. I’d like to play the older call of duty games when I hook it up on my dock. I’ve thought about dual booting, but the work, man. Maybe I’ll get my daughter to do it one day. She’s still tech excited. The world hasn’t burned her out yet. :p
Sorry for the rant but why the hell people still entertain themselves with proprietary Windows games in 2023?!? So much so that they are willing to put up with such utter rubbish of an OS? Man, just play better games, even FOSS ones, on Linux! The proprietary rubbish pay-to-win games should be shunned!
If you have a wireless Xbox controller it becomes far harder. Xone is what I want to use but then I have xow, xbdrvr and a bunch of other things to deal with. Or if I want to actually use my Nvidia video card to it’s fullest ability, well good luck.
Linux is awesome but has a bit to go for me. Although it’s been that was since it stopped being my daily driver in 2014.
Oh, my daily driver is a linux, i just have a spare surface book 3 i use occasionally for gaming (the thing is surprisingly powerful)
Idk how well linux would support detaching and touchscreen with pen. But I’ll definitely switch the os to linux sometime in the future when i get a new gaming rig.
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