VonCesaw,

Jokes aside, I’m about 95% sure Elmo is supposed to be black-coded

1847953620,

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  • Stanard,

    Holy shit

    KingGordon, (edited )
    Psythik, (edited )

    Wow, even Sesame Street is whitewashing their characters now? :P

    Test_Tickles,

    Not so much white washing as making sure people know that it isn’t the pedophile operating the puppet anymore.

    Catoblepas,

    You’re not wrong, Sesame Street was developed to look like Harlem. It’s been very much about black representation in every aspect they could consider since the very early days.

    MyNameIsIgglePiggle,

    Huh, even as a young child in Australia I kind of was aware sesame street was from a rougher area, although safe. Wonder how I clocked that even though it was never explicit

    ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

    Sesame Street and Avenue Q were closer than we thought.

    PreviouslyAmused,

    The result of a very creative dude who had a vision of exactly how he wanted convey his message so everyone felt included.

    We still miss you Jim.

    dangblingus,

    How the hell is Elmo black-coded?

    VonCesaw,

    Have you ever heard Elmo talk

    PP_BOY_,
    @PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

    Read a room. If you think people will be upset, don’t say it. If you don’t think people will be upset but they are, apologize and don’t say it

    reev, (edited )

    Or just… Don’t say it?

    EDIT: I’ll be honest, didn’t expect “don’t say the n-word” to be my most controversial take on this platform. Yeesh.

    Very_Bad_Janet,

    I literally just figured out what the meme was about by your comment. I thought people were annoyed by Elmo's voice lol.

    ChickenLadyLovesLife,

    I’m a school bus driver and by far the weirdest experience (which I have regularly) is driving a busload of middle school or high school girl athletes (almost all white) somewhere and listening to them sing along to music with the n-word in it. They do not skip the n-word.

    1847953620,

    they wouldn’t be edgy and cool if they did.

    Ghost33313,
    @Ghost33313@kbin.social avatar

    Wait, so are you telling me "Elmo's Song" was originally ******'s song?

    RudeOnTuesdays,

    Yup. All those “la la las” you hear now? Originally something else

    MyNameIsIgglePiggle,

    Same as Yada Yada Yada

    BROMETHIUS,

    Yada Yada Yada Yada Yada… I’m 100% Yada

    Transcendant,

    I just make a record-scratch sound instead of say the word if it’s in a song I’m singing. If people think that’s lame then I’ll live with that. I do NOT want to get comfortable saying that word; I’m the same shade as printer paper.

    I had a friend get very comfortable with the phrase “yeaaahhh, ma nizzle” (substitute nizzle for the word it’s code for, because I can confirm after using a perfectly acceptable word similar to snickering it will be removed and also I don’t wanna type it).

    One day, we’re at a very rough pub in Digbeth. Lots of drinks had. We’re all sat at a table outside, behind my friend are two very large, very black bouncers. One legit looked like the Hulk and capable of casually ripping my friend’s head off. The other wasn’t as muscled but still well-built and very tall. Then… my friend… says the words. Everyone at the table kinda freezes and goes quiet. The very tall guy goes “What did he say?!” and the Hulk just shakes his head sadly and says “something stupid”. Thank you Hulk for not ripping my friend’s head off.

    And that, boys and girls, is why you don’t get comfortable saying words that aren’t for you.

    KingGordon,

    "My neighbor’ works just fine.

    slurpeesoforion,

    Neighbors With Attitude want a kind word with you.

    PwnTra1n,

    this is when howdly doodly goes rap

    slurpeesoforion,

    No way. They’re Bartcore through and through.

    Nougat,

    I can assure you that if I saw the guy next door out on his patio, and called over, "What's up, my neighbor?" it would not "work just fine."

    assassin_aragorn,

    I like homie better for this reason. It fits contextually and it’s also still slang, so it sounds a lot better.

    jackoneill,
    boredtortoise,

    When the artist makes the audience do the chorus in a gig, Elmo better not fuck it up

    swagamuffin,

    Okay but if I’m doing karaoke I’m gonna sing the song like it is. I’m not the guy who’s just gonna skip the word or say “neighbor” or something, sorry.

    Habahnow,

    *picks the song “my nigga” by YG for karaoke

    assassin_aragorn,

    Elmo’s favorite song

    funkless_eck,

    you know karaoke is optional, right?

    ThatWeirdGuy1001,
    @ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

    So is putting the word in the song. I’m not ruining my vibe over dumb shit. Don’t put it there and I won’t say it

    Mouselemming,

    There’s so many songs to choose from

    ThatWeirdGuy1001,
    @ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

    There’s so many words to choose from.

    Also I don’t choose my songs based on whether or not they have the n word in them. If I like a song and it has the n word in it sucks to suck I’m singing it

    PP_BOY_,
    @PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

    King shit

    MonkCanatella,

    yeah! if black people can say it, I can say it to. It’s racist to not say the n word.

    ThePantser,
    @ThePantser@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes it’s very racist to say you can’t sing a certain music because the color of your skin. If someone gets upset that white guy said it then blame the song writer not the guy singing.

    MonkCanatella,

    exactly. here’s to eating paintchips

    t_jpeg,

    This comment is ironic because most of the time that music isn’t even written for you.

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  • creditCrazy,
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    Fr if they are comfortable saying it among themselves then it obviously doesn’t offend them they’re just being racist to exclude people based on skin color

    gmtom,

    I wouldn’t categorise the immense racist history and implications of thr n word as “dumb shit”

    oldGregg,

    Speak for yourself

    AngryCommieKender,

    I may not agree with you on Bailey’s, but I can agree on this.

    Vodka has less calories.

    cryptosporidium140,

    Having a stick up your ass about the singer’s skin color is also optional

    MonkCanatella,

    I see, in fact it would be racist not to say the n word

    cryptosporidium140,

    I don’t follow

    Dkarma,

    No one is surprised.

    cryptosporidium140, (edited )

    Explain then, genius. This oughtta be good

    Dkarma,

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  • cryptosporidium140,

    In which way? You’re coming off as unhinged now. 5 year olds argue better than you

    friend_of_satan,

    Honestly, this is why I don’t listen to music with the n-word in it. If I’m not allowed to speak that word, I don’t want it in my subconscious.

    ThatWeirdGuy1001,
    @ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah this is the one instance where idgaf I’m saying it.

    Cold_Brew_Enema,

    Nah. I listen to 90s hip hop quite a bit. No way around the word.

    Sylvartas,

    I still don’t even dare to say it even when I’m alone in my car and singing along because I don’t want to slip if I ever sing it in public

    mojo,

    Sir this is a Christian house hold

    chicken,

    I do the same, but this is really the issue with words some people are allowed to say but others aren’t. Hearing something all the time and not saying it just isn’t something we’re built for. So it’s kind of like encouraging a cultural separation.

    Tikiporch,

    If I recall correctly, many organizations that advocate in the interest of black people prefer no one use the word.

    creditCrazy,
    @creditCrazy@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s for that reason why I advocate for everyone to be allowed to say it just like we do with cracker yea one is more prominent than the other but man if we are equal than shouldn’t it be easy to decide if slurs are allowed at all or not yet again I advocate for all slurs to be allowed by everyone because banning them just gives them power via significance

    assassin_aragorn, (edited )

    I mean, it’s not that difficult. I listen to plenty of rap and I don’t think I’ve ever spoken the word, certainly not in public. I don’t see it as cultural separation but as cultural respect. Eminem has gone an entire rap career without saying it, and he doesn’t seem very fussed about it.

    Edit: He has said it before earlier in his career, but not now for quite a while. The general point I’m making is the same though.

    chicken,

    For me when I hear someone speak my internal monologue patterns itself after their speech for a while, and I’ve heard others describe the same. Accents shift over time if you move somewhere with a different accent. I think it’s possible to have your words follow a set of rules, but for most people that will take active filtering that will make their speech less off-the-cuff and might slip if they are tired or drunk or something.

    assassin_aragorn,

    You know it’s interesting, because I’m the same way, but I haven’t had that happen for me. Not saying you’re wrong, it’s just interesting how the phenomenon varies. If I have one long listen/exposure, multiple hours long, then I’ll it happen to me. That isn’t a common occurrence though.

    I get your point though. I suppose it just comes down to how someone’s brain is wired, and to what level they can separate it from their own speech.

    glibg10b,

    ❄️

    MrGerrit,

    If it’s in the song I like I just go along with. Me doing that isn’t in any negative way. If the artist don’t like some people say it, they shouldn’t put in there.

    Skipping it or bleeping it out is like censoring art.

    This reminds of when Kendrick Lamar got a white girl on stage and let her sing along with him. As soon she drops the n-word he stops the song and she got shit from everybody there.

    He did give her a second try on the song.

    jose1324,

    Hypocrite

    assassin_aragorn,

    He actually mentions this on his new album in the song Auntie Diaries, which is about him learning to understand his trans aunt and cousin. He uses gay slurs throughout the song as an example of what he’d say when he was younger. There’s a very poignant moment I’ll paraphrase:

    “I said those words but I didn’t know any better. I was taught that words were [just words].” - Kendrick

    “Kendrick, ain’t no room for contradiction. [Let’s look at it from a different perspective]. F* F* F* we can say it together, but only if you let a white girl say n–” - Cousin who’s trans

    TimewornTraveler,

    “If the artist don’t like some people say it, they shouldn’t put in there.”

    I think I’ve heard the response to this from creators, the idea is that it isn’t made for you. They create media informed by black experiences and tailored for black audiences. They don’t feel like they should have to change that to accommodate white/non-black audiences, and not doing so shouldn’t be a free pass for people to turn bigoted language back at them.

    Take what you will from that, and consider that I cited a vague “they” with no clear reference or origin. I’m going off shoddy memory, and as a non-black person.

    SCB,

    You’re missing out on a lot of really, really good music.

    friend_of_satan,

    I know. When I made that choice I got rid of some songs I really liked. That’s the price I’m paying for keeping my mind more free of words I am forbidden from using.

    SCB,

    I don’t know how to say this in a way that doesn’t sound like I’m shit talking so I’ll just put this here and say I mean it without sarcasm or insult.

    That’s a hell of a sacrifice, and I wouldn’t make it, but I do respect your commitment.

    TimewornTraveler,

    yeah I get this. part of ADHD for me is having a lot of impulsive words floating through my head. I try to avoid things I wouldn’t want falling out later. I remember in high school I had a revival of “aw, gay” that kept popping up in my head, even though it had already died out socially years ago and I hadn’t said it (in that manner) in years. I probably saw it again on TV or something and it just stuck. it took a lot of conscious power to just stop saying it reflexively when I died in a video game or whatever.

    dangblingus,

    You’re ridiculous. You have that much trouble not saying nigga that you have to pretend the word doesn’t exist?

    Psychodelic,

    What do you mean you’re “not allowed to speak” it? lol. Y’all are so weird about being racist.

    Sotuanduso,

    Same reason I tend to avoid songs with swears.

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