Zerush,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

In the EU they already had a complaint, because it violates GDPR, but in any case I would never use a public WiFi without a VPN, and even less in places with these conditions, there is also free WiFi in some Rstaurants (even in most McDonalds), public Libraries and others. Fuck surveillance advertising

lemmington_steele,

Right, and this Walmart in Europe would be where exactly?

Zerush,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

AFAIK it does not exist in Europe, but I meant that these conditions in the EU would not be tolerated. Maybe because of this there isn’t a Walmart in the EU, there are a lot of Malls from other companies and none of these use this practices in their restaurants, mostly with free WiFi for their visitors. Offering free WiFi is already enough of a benefit for them, because it attracts customers, they do not need to intrude on their privacy with an obvious attempt to spam them and make money with their data.

Cort,
Tenkard,

That’s England so no gdpr anyway

Astigma,
@Astigma@feddit.uk avatar

The provisions of the EU GDPR have been incorporated directly into UK law as the UK GDPR. It’s ok to not know this stuff but it only takes like 10 seconds to google before you comment about something you don’t know.

Cort,

UK gdpr not withstanding, the question asked was: where in Europe. UK remains a part of Europe post brexit.

XTornado,

I have seen it on Europe… maybe there was some way to circumvent it hidden away, not sure. But you could type a random email and that’s it, like they don’t send anything to confirm the email or anything once you submit you have access to internet.

Zerush,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

Better to send a disposable mail, where yo can receive the log data before it expired.

eg

etc

yournamehere,

anonbox from ccc

OfficerBribe,

They seem to explain pretty well how your data will be used, why would this violate GDPR?

Aio,

I might be wrong but i think it is because they don’t give you the option to opt out and use the wifi.

OfficerBribe,

Should they? I would simply not connect to their Wi-Fi and move on, it’s not like they are obligated to provide you internet.

Cort,

No way to opt out?

justcoding_de,

Agreed. My iPhone connects to my home VPN via Wireguard as soon as I leave my home WiFi. Has the added benefit of pihole ad filtering everywhere.

biscuit,

Wireguard and PiHole combo is such a blessing.

el_abuelo,

Have you experienced any downsides to using pi hole? Does anything stop working?

Darkassassin07,
@Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca avatar

In the 6 years I’ve ran mine, I’ve not had any issues and I run a blocklist with over 1 million domains on it.

If I was to run into something that’s blocked that I do want loaded, I can just open the pihole interface and either whitelist the blocked domain or disable blocking for a short time, each with just a couple clicks.

lud,

I used to before but my family was extremely bothered that they couldn’t click on ad links. If I remember correctly, it’s pretty easy to set up if you want to just try it.

justcoding_de,

Obviously the first ad links in google don’t work any more, which drives the wife crazy ;-) Also nowadays more and more websites complain about me using an adblocker.

But technically, not really any problems at all.

Serinus,

So the first thing you give any sketchy WiFi is your home address?

justcoding_de,

Yup. What are they gonna do that every other portscanning bad actor isn’t doing 24/7 already?

Also, how would they distinguish between my private VPN and that of a commercial provider?

Socsa,

There’s just no reason to unless you are really skimping on phone data. Random wifi hotspots are one of the most dangerous things for an average joe in terms of infosec.

Resolved3874,

Went to a Walmart the other day and my phone automatically connected to a wifi that was apparently hosted by my cell carrier. Immediately turned on my VPN because wtf. I disconnected at first then realized I didn’t have any service at all which was probably why it existed. Thankfully didn’t need to log in but that’s why I have Firefox relay.

pazukaza,

I was about to say… Isn’t using public wifi’s extremely dangerous?

Zerush,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

Yes, because of this using an public WiFi without VPN is a no-go

XTornado,

Not sure about this Walmart case but most you can write any email like random letters [email protected] or not even the Gmail part as long as it’s a valid looking mail and then works like you don’t even have to confirm the email or anything.

blakeus12,
@blakeus12@hexbear.net avatar

my goto is [email protected]

Krauerking,

I like [email protected]

If he was lucky or early enough to get a single name email then I’m sure they can handle some spam emails or get an email full of numbers like the rest of us

Pika,

this is incorrect for the walmart case, next step is the password for the account, so you need to login or create a Walmart account for access

XTornado,

Oh yeah I see I mis read the prompt, I thought it was going with a enter you mail as alternative to using an account.

hOrni,

Ah, America, where public wifi is still a thing because they don’t have mobile data.

zwekihoyy,

don’t have mobile data? wym lmao

hOrni,

I mean they either have limits so low they have to use public wifi or coverage so weak it’s unusable. Which aren’t a thing where I live.

glob,

Please, think about the improved products and services before making any rash decisions.

onlinepersona,

More like “we were doing this before, but now we have to tell you we are doing it”.

merthyr1831,

Sometimes these login portals accept any old bogus email or burner account. They were logging your IP anyway so realistically doesnt add any more compromised dafa

reverendsteveii,

I’m gonna assume that by IP you mean MAC address because your IP is something that gets negotiated with the AP when you connect, changes every time you connect and can’t really be linked back to your device at a public AP. In that case, the right move is to enable MAC randomization and connect through a VPN if you need to hide who you’re talking to or just rely on TLS if you don’t care that they know who you’re talking to and only need to hide what was said.

danhab99,
@danhab99@programming.dev avatar

You can also set randomized MAC addresses in your wifi settings

reverendsteveii,

That’s what I meant when I said “enable MAC randomization”

People think your IP address is the key to your treasures but everyone you communicate with on the Internet has your IP or talks to someone who does.

merthyr1831,

Yup, meant MAC/other hardware info lol

naut,

quick vpn over tor and firewall f-droid.org/…/pan.alexander.tordnscrypt.stable/

Betazed,

Yeah, you can pretty much assume that any random Wi-Fi asking for that information is already doing that. My local mall has one that will accept any old email but it certainly looks like this one wants you to create an actual Walmart account.

netchami,

This is messed up.

MJBrune,

Not only were they already collecting that information, they likely are collecting information about your position in the store from wifi positioning.

B1ackmsth,

Expecting privacy on someone else’s network is absurd.

SeaJ,

You do realize they were almost certainly doing this before, right?

trippingonthewire,

More of shock value of them announcing it and requiring an email now.

KeenFlame,

Damn now I have to put in my real email! noooooo I don’t know how to avoid this only real emails work?

trippingonthewire,

I’ve never had this happen before so I didn’t know. I just thought it was interesting how they’re requiring this now though.

braveone,

It’s a good thing they don’t have high resolution cameras tracking everything you look at, or they might know what you were thinking about buying

trippingonthewire,

It’s a good thing I don’t have any socials for them to trace me back to. And since I work there, I’m always looking at shit that will prolly throw them off.

Da_Boom,
@Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

Never trust an open network. Even if the company providing isn’t doing anything shady, the easy at which MITM (man in the middle) attacked, can be performed means that many insecure (and some secure) networks can be spoofed with a small amount of know-how.

Always make sure your connecting to a safe, secure wifi network, in a place where you expect that network to exist at.

If your phone connects in a place you wouldn’t expect it to connect, double check what it’s connecting to, and if necessary, disable your wifi.

Catsrules,

How would they do man in the middle attacks? Don’t you need to trust their certificate first?

Da_Boom,
@Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

That mechanism only happens after you connect to it, you have to connect to the wifi in order to download the certificate to connect. And it doesn’t apply to all open WI-FI. A someone can still spoof the wifi. The fun part is when they set up their own false “I agree to the usage” pop up page that just steals your data - standardised systems like this are easily spoofed, especially when it comes to open and insecure wifi. They could even send you a bogus certificate that routes all the traffic through their gateway, allowing them to spy on the secure connections.

metalslug53,
@metalslug53@lemmy.world avatar

Well that’s just plain invasive. I’ll make sure to take myself off of their network next time I’m there.

RagingRobot,

It sounds to me like they are developing some tools to help map things inside the store. So they can give you directions to things you are looking for maybe. Also with this information they could do something similar to those Amazon stores where you just pick things up and walk out and it charges you automatically.

Not saying you all want to share the info with them. It is invasive. But as an engineer I can see so many cool features I could build with this information.

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