Are straws an unnecessary (but convenient) invention?

People often talk about swapping out plastic straws for other materials to help the ocean/fish and the environment, but they also complain about paper straws falling apart easily. Other alternatives that are slightly more sturdy like straws made of straw don’t seem very common.

But do we even need straws? My first reaction was that any liquid can be drunk directly from the vessel it’s in, and straws just add another level of convenience. If we don’t want to use plastic straws and the alternatives mostly suck (actually all straws suck 🤓), why not just ditch straws entirely?

Chocrates,

As a facial hair have’r straws are nice to not get my beard covered in wet. That being said I rarely use straws.
There are likely some folks with disabilities that make drinking without a straw difficult but probably most of us don’t really need them. We could also think about redesigning glasses or something if that would help.

OhFudgeBars,

Off-topic, but the fact that the replies aren’t scores of variations of “just hold the vessel to your lips like we do in the civilized world” makes me glad I switched from Reddit to Lemmy.

Resol,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

I’d like to have a metal collapsible straw that I can take with me anywhere and wash after a few uses. The metal it’s made of has to be odorless and flavorless too, because you don’t wanna feel like you’re drinking blood, don’t you?

scarabic,

A stainless steel straw works well for this. I’d recommend against collapsibility though. It really complicated things. Maybe just make it alightly shorter than normal.

Resol,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

Oh well. It’s a nice alternative.

Zippy, (edited )

They work well in moving vehicles but beyond that we could ditch them entirely. Edit. I should have said for most purposes. They do work well for kids or someone injured, hospitals etc.

Straws are a strawman argument to begin. That plastic drink cup has about 50 times the plastic of your typical straw.

scarabic,

They also work well for little kids. Drinking from the rim of a cup is harder for wee tots than sipping through a straw.

I’m not saying this makes them a life essential, just noting one more case where they really make sense.

Lazylazycat,

They stop your lipstick smudging, too.

AgentGrimstone,

I like a lot of ice in my drinks so I definitely prefer a straw. I’d rather replace the big plastic cup the drink is in…

ristoril_zip,

Technically all inventions are “unnecessary but convenient.” Our ancestors got by just fine without fire or tools or clothes for much much longer than we’ve been inventing tools and using them.

Don’t get me wrong, today’s humans would almost certainly die out without our tools because we’ve adapted so heavily to having them (especially fire and clothing).

alias,

*For varying definitions of "just fine".

Dr_Cog,
@Dr_Cog@mander.xyz avatar

Our ancestors didn’t get by without fire, if you mean ancestors as in members of our species.

We’re human because fire allowed us to grow our brains larger than typically possible. Protohumans discovered how to use fire long before we existed.

hungryphrog,

We wouldn’t die without straws.

ohlaph,

For almost everyone, yes. But they have their purpose.

alokir,

The problem is not straws but the single use, non recyclable plastic ones. They’re a convenience and not a necessity. Same goes for cutlery, plates, cups, bags, wrappings etc.

There are alternatives like durable plastic ones that you can reuse, metal or paper if you want single use straws.

Unsustainable,
@Unsustainable@lemmy.today avatar

Straws are necessary to some people with mobility issues. It’s important to rember that not everyone can do what you can do.

Ziggurat,

But that’s a typical strawman argument. The straw ban laws have exception for medical equipement, and unfortunately some place found workaround like paper straw or pasta straw. But an able-bodied adult doesn’t really need a straw to drink, getting one with a drink is even an annoyance.

boothin,

That's not really relevant to the question being asked and the answer you're replying to though. OP said straws should just stop existing because it's only a convenience, and this counterpoint was that there are people who NEED straws, not as convenience but as necessity.

Rhynoplaz,

This is just a typical strawban argument.

scarabic,

Have you ever heard of children?

Luke_Fartnocker,

Some places have laws against drinking from a cup without a straw while driving because the cup can block the driver’s view.

DogMuffins,

Australia checking in…

I remember being taught in school to always use straws when you’re outside so you don’t swallow a bee or spider that’s fallen into your drink.

This is probably more of a baseless anxiety than an actual risk though I guess. I guess aluminium cans are problematic because you can’t see what’s in your drink. Bees do always stop to investigate sweet drinks so yeah I guess a sweet drink in a can might be an actual risk without a straw.

theKalash,

I mean, the safest way to swallow a bee or spider would probably be after it drowned. So that just makes no sense at all.

DogMuffins,

Hmm, insects don’t really down the same way mammals do. A layer of air gets trapped against their thorax, some spiders use this to hunt under water IIRC.

Other commenters have replied with accounts of this happening.

theKalash,

They are arachnids not insects, but fair point.

Diving-bell spiders are very specialised and rare spiders, the vast majority doesn’t have that ability.

I mean you shouldn’t swallow them, but I don’t think straws are needed to prevent that.

DogMuffins,

The majority of arachnids don’t hunt under water, but they also don’t drown easily. I’ve seen huntsman spiders float on water like it’s no big deal.

theKalash,

Oh yes, a few of them can walk on water, fishing spiders even catch small fish through the surface. But that requires careful manipulation of surface tension. But it seems rather unlikey a spider would fall or slip into a drink and land perfecly on the surface. Once they break through the surface tension it works against them and even fishing spiders can struggle to get out again. Most spiders will drown within a few minutes once submerged when there is nothing to climb out on. The straw might actually safe them in that case!

I’d still say it’s a rather minor risk and just checking your drink before taking a sip is probably simpler then using a straw. I ususally just put a coaster on my glass when outside during the summer.

SolOrion,

A family friend was sent to the hospital because, when at a church yard sale, he left his can of Sprite unattended and a bee got into it. When he picked it back up and drank from it he drank the bee, too, and it stung him in the throat.

So it’s probably not a common issue but I can confirm it’s happened at least once. I’m American, we don’t really have the spider problem in the same way. Thank god, I hate spiders.

Event_Horizon5,

When I was a kid, a wasp went into my uncle’s beer can at a backyard BBQ. My uncle didn’t notice and when he took a drink he swallowed the wasp. It stung him 5 times on the inside of his throat and esophagus, and he had to be rushed to the hospital because his neck was swelling up. He wasn’t allergic or anything; I guess that can just happen if you are literally stung from the inside. He survived, but it was a very close call, according to the doctor.

DogMuffins,

Holy shit. 5 times!?

brygphilomena,

I had a teacher in elementary school who swallowed a bee this way.

We had snap on caps that would go over cans so we could close them when we weren’t drinking out of them.

marcos,

I know a person that have her mouth stung that way. I’m not from Australia, by the way, and it’s not common to teach this around here.

Anyway, at the country areas around here it’s common to teach people to use straws with cans because when cans are stored badly, touching them with your mouth can transmit diseases.

nydas,
@nydas@lemmy.world avatar

Way easier to drink a drive-thru drink from a straw while driving. And it’s a drive-thru, so kinda assumed you’ll be consuming it behind the wheel. My toddler also has a habit of not fully creating a seal between his bottom lip and the underside of the cup. So a straw in that case saves a lot of spillage.

Duchess,
@Duchess@yiffit.net avatar

aside from the previously mentioned uses for people with disabilities, i’d also mention straws can be very helpful for young children first learning to become independent. boba would be pretty difficult to drink, too.

Papanca,

In the rare event i drink soda, i sometimes use a straw because it feels like it doesn’t affect all my teeth as much. Without a straw, it feels like the soda reaches all teeth and molars, while a straw directs it more locally. I once bought some stainless steel straws.

maus,

This is actually something my dentist recommended as it helps reduce the amount of acid and sugar from the soda from saturating your teeth.

Papanca,

Exactly what i meant! I don’t drink any sugary substances, but the acid is detrimental to one’s teeth.

Woozy,

I cringe in horror at the idea of children using stainless steal straws. There’s so much potential for horrible accidents.

Papanca,

Good thing you mentioned this. I agree, i wouldn’t give these to children.

al4s,

There’s a couple of reasons straws might be convenient or even necessary:

  • You have a disability that causes movement problems like shaking
  • Limited neck/shoulder/arm mobility or a swollen lip (The latter makes it hard to get a proper seal)
  • You wear lipstick or other makeup that could get washed away
  • Your edibles were too strong
  • You can build containers that don’t spill when they fall over

(Edit: Add text at the beginning instead of just throwing a list out there)

jballs,

Your edibles were too strong

A mistake easily avoidable. This only happens if you say “these edibles ain’t shit” 45 minutes after taking them.

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