GNOME Recognized as Public Interest Infrastructure

The GNOME Foundation is thrilled to announce the GNOME project is receiving €1M from the Sovereign Tech Fund to modernize the platform, improve tooling and accessibility, and support features that are in the public interest.

This investment will fund the following projects until the end of 2024:

  • Improve the current state of accessibility
  • Design and prototype a new accessibility stack
  • Encrypt user home directories individually
  • Modernize secrets storage
  • Increase the range and quality of hardware support
  • Invest in Quality Assurance and Developer Experience
  • Expand and broaden freedesktop APIs
  • Consolidate and improve platform components
SubArcticTundra, (edited )

I really do wish governments invested more in open source. If it’s a generic thing like an operating system that the public could benefit from at large, they would be doing the public a service.

Edit: Germany does it again!

nexussapphire,

Government ran distros in public schools and government offices wouldn’t be any more invasive than windows working with the government. Better yet there actually be some sort of education on using the os and exponential growth of the Linux desktop as a whole.

I just wish KDE would get some love too. They work their asses off to make a desktop suit as many use cases and workflows as possible while maintaining a mostly polished experience. Their not afraid to implement stuff knowing it’s just a temporary solution till other projects catchup. They are actually willing to work with other projects on implementing standards and are developing standards like HDR on wayland for professional artists and gamers and are the first to jump on major features as soon as its solid.

Gnome is just annoying mess great for smartphone users unwilling to learn anything new and had never touched a pc or Mac in their life. What’s the appeal of using something with half its features gutted for the sake of looks just to have everyone add it back in anyway. It’s an annoying Apple like philosophy of let’s implement counter intuitive interfaces to preserve a look and never change it back because we’re always right. You’d think they’d have improved the window snap feature since 3.0

TheGrandNagus,

Ffs I knew this submission would turn into a minority of Plasma users trying to piss on Gnome. Can you not just be happy that an open source project is receiving help and that this will be a big improvement for accessibility features?

I never hear Gnome users crying about Valve heavily supporting KDE, so why are you angry about this?

MazonnaCara89,
@MazonnaCara89@lemmy.ml avatar

I never hear Gnome users crying about Valve heavily supporting KDE, so why are you angry about this?

This does not happen because Gnome is the most supported desktop environment out there, they have Red Hat, Google, Canonical, OpenSuse even Microsoft donated to Gnome. Don’t get me wrong some of this company do support kde too, but Gnome get treated in a different way because it’s the default de for most of the distros out there.

TheGrandNagus,

Like you said, these companies help KDE too. KDE also has more hardware partners, and more contributors.

Even ignoring all that though, it still doesn’t answer the question: why cry over Gnome getting money to aid in accessibility improvements?

I have never once heard anybody cry about the companies that support KDE, yet some people here go on like Gnome fucked their girlfriend. It’s pathetic.

Nobody’s forcing anybody to use Gnome or any any other DE. Just be happy when nice things happen in the FOSS word.

garam,
@garam@lemmy.my.id avatar

But I’m using xfce here… :‘) and It doesn’t even get some funds :’(

Wayland on XFCE is still farr farrrrrr :')

nexussapphire,

I’m not complaining about gnome getting support, I’m complaining about kde being overlooked because gnome is the default desktop for Ubuntu. Kde is just a better tool for people wanting to just get things done. Gnome is pretty I’ll give you that but ask anyone, they are very hard to work with and stubbornly refuse compromise when working with others on creating useful tools and standards.

Just think how many times they broke extensions without any regard for the individuals using it. Their efforts to make other projects wait for them to deside what’s best for gnome like they are the only desktop that matters. The projects like portals usually say their going to implement the standard despite what gnome wants and kde often helps with the brunt of that work.

KISSmyOS, (edited )

Just think how many times they broke extensions without any regard for the individuals using it.

You have no idea what you’re talking about.
It’s the job of the Gnome developers to update and improve Gnome.
It’s the job of the extension developers to update their extensions when there’s a new Gnome version.
And it’s the job of your distro’s maintainers to keep the versions of Gnome and the extensions in the repo compatible.
If you install Gnome from your distro’s repo and extensions from Gnome’s website, YOU take on this job.

Just install your extensions from your distro’s repo and you won’t have any issues.

TheGrandNagus, (edited )

I’m not complaining about gnome getting support

You literally are.

I’m complaining about kde being overlooked

KDE isn’t overlooked. KDE gets funding too. Valve and others have put so much into KDE. KDE has the most hardware partnerships. KDE has more contributors.

Kde is just a better tool for people wanting to just get things done

In your opinion…

I do all my work on Gnome because it’s got an amazing and highly productive workflow, minimal distractions, and it’s extremely stable.

I like Plasma, I like the options it has, I have it on one of my laptops, but it’s not what I’d use for work. The last thing I need is for kwin to crash and take all the programs I had open with it, losing hours of work. Yes, I’m aware this should be fixed in Plasma 6, but as of right now it’s a massive showstopper.

stubbornly refuse compromise when working with others on creating useful tools and standards

Gnome has championed a lot of open standards, and worked with others. You’re just repeating a Reddit meme. They’ve done so much flatpak, portals, open-desktop stuff in collaboration with KDE and others.

Just think how many times they broke extensions without any regard for the individuals using it.

You’re showing a complete lack of understanding about what extensions are.

Extensions are impossible not to break from time to time. Extensions don’t use some unchanging API to work - they’re modifications on the DE itself. That’s why they’re so powerful.

There’s no way around DE mods sometimes becoming borked when the DE gets a big update.

Why are you acting like Gnome is against portals lmao, they’ve been massively pushing portals and open desktop standards, even going as far as refusing to implement features unless there’s a cross-desktop standard way of handling it (e.g. accent colours, which they are only now putting in place now that they and KDE have hammered out a sensible standard for it. Or a better system tray, which they’ve been trying to spearhead an open, cross-desktop solution for for years now, although little progress has been made by everyone). Of the DEs, Gnome has pushed for things like portals and flatpaks the most lol

We get it. In your mind, Gnome = bad and evil and nasty, KDE = good quirky and kool.

SubArcticTundra,

Oh I see, I didn’t realize there was such a contrast between the cultures of KDE and GNOME. Idk why ppl are downvoting you

Audacity9961,

They are being downvoted because it is utter nonsense, spouted as authoritative fact.

Anyone who has ever used gnome seriously, knows that although it can be used for touch it is heavily keyboard oriented.

While not undermining the work of KDE devs who I have great admiration for, GNOME devs also work heavily on standards that benefit all of linux, and arguably do just as much if not more, as they are a very well resourced project.

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

that would be a sound investment and we can’t have that, the government must focus on actively detrimental infrastructure projects to put money in the pockets of rich people.

pingveno,

The US has the US Digital Service. Alex Gaynor, who has had involvement in a wide array of OSS projects, is employed there.

makingStuffForFun,
@makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml avatar

Cool. Now how about image thumbnail in the file picker. I mean seriously…

mfat,

Wasn’t this fixed finally a while ago? I swear i read somewhere it was.

makingStuffForFun,
@makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml avatar

My understanding is it’s 13 years or so of requests, and still nothing. Something so incredibly basic, and required.

Yearly1845, (edited )

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    makingStuffForFun,
    @makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml avatar

    Wow. Thank you. Finally

    MonkderZweite,

    Btw, why is filepicker a toolkit thing and not something the user can choose or switch out?

    d_k_bo,

    If the program uses xdg-desktop-portal, the file picker isn’t provided by the toolkit but by your desktop / portal implementation.

    MonkderZweite,

    Yeah, i mean outside of that. General Gtk and Qt applications.

    fossisfun,
    @fossisfun@lemmy.ml avatar

    Outside of that the toolkit’s file picker is used, as the system doesn’t seem to provide one (via the portal), so the only reasonable fallback is to show the file picker that you know is there, which is the one of the application’s toolkit.

    TheAnonymouseJoker,
    @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

    Its there now.

    InstallGentoo,

    Isn’t it only for gtk 4 applications?

    TheGrandNagus,

    Already done like a couple of releases ago.

    jack,

    I’m very interested in the secrets storage. Hopefully that includes integrating programs with GNOME Secrets, especially firefox

    AProfessional,

    That is a Mozilla task. I can’t imagine they want it.

    jack,

    There are browser extensions like KeepassXC

    OsrsNeedsF2P,

    Huge congrats on everyone who got this working. €1M will really go a long way and GNOME absolutely deserves it!

    Expand and broaden freedesktop APIs

    I am very excite

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    this_is_router,
    @this_is_router@feddit.de avatar

    Congrats GNOME!

    Does anyone know if homedir encryption will utilize systemd-homed?

    AProfessional,

    That’s the plan.

    this_is_router,
    @this_is_router@feddit.de avatar

    My comment wasn’t meant as a jab against systemd or gnome, I was just curious if there are different solutions for an encrypted homedir.

    I really like the direction linux, systemd and gnome are going! Big thank you to all the developers! <3

    lemmyvore,

    You can use Fuse to encrypt files on the fly using a wide assortment of schemas. The trick is to make it available at the right time to all the desktop apps (as the environment is starting up).

    All of this is available already, for example I’m encrypting the files I sync to Dropbox and I mount the decrypted version to a dir on my desktop on startup. It’s not the entire home dir but you get the idea. It’s just gonna need some polish to become really smooth and user friendly.

    this_is_router,
    @this_is_router@feddit.de avatar

    Im most interested in encrypted homedirs for servers. Since all my collegues are to lazy to use encrypted ssh keys, i hoped that systemd-homed makes it possible to secure them from the root user.

    Is systemd-homed already useable for such usecase? If gnome will do the same for desktops, that would be a big plus, thinking about firefox profiles and such. Hopefully also using pam or kerberos for decryption.

    I’ll look into fuse though, thanks for the hint

    lemmyvore,

    It’s usable but it comes with a fair amount of manual setup. Hopefully this is the kind of thing that Gnome will improve upon.

    wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-homed

    TCB13,
    @TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

    Great news! Maybe now they’ll spare a day of work to get desktop icons going again. No more funding excuses for the fanboys now.

    Quik,

    Why would you want desktop icons? I mean I get it, there were quite popular back in the day, but I don’t see how a big junky place of a desktop has any benefit

    RoadArchie,

    Shooting yourself in the foot to dab on the people trying to convert to linux

    TCB13,
    @TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

    Also forcing people to go KDE to be again disappointed because their design is bad.

    kariboka,

    KDE is awesome

    TheAnonymouseJoker,
    @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

    Meh. The design and all is very good, great even, but the performance is donkey. And no, telling people to turn off animations and compositor is not a valid solution, when other DEs keep the animations, especially GNOME.

    turbowafflz,

    I wonder if there’s a way they could neatly implement them without cluttering the desktop. Like what if they were somewhere in the overview or something?

    TCB13,
    @TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

    What’s the point of going against every tried and true DE experience. Why can’t we just have them, disabled by default so some people don’t freak out.

    Chewy7324,

    I really like Gnome but requiring extensions to work properly is bad design imo.

    For example my moms laptop runs Gnome and she doesn’t need much except 3 basic features: a dock, desktop & tray icons. Tray icons are necessary because Nextcloud relies on them to show the sync status, desktop icons are great to have temporary files easily accessible for a presentation.

    In my opinion the most frustrating decision of Gnime is to not allow making the “dash” permanently visible, in other words, a dock. I’d argue it’s even an accessibility option because it’s easier to click on something visible than having to open the overview.

    It’s frustrating since Gnome is an almost perfect desktop for anyone who wants a simple, working desktop.

    TheGrandNagus,

    I use Gnome without extensions, it’s great. IMO Microsoft didn’t invent the perfect UX paradigm back in the early 90s. People use a task bar and start menu because they’re used to it, not because it’s better IMO.

    I’m glad Gnome had the balls to do away with tradition and go with something different. It’s led to a much better workflow IMO.

    Chewy7324,

    Gnome is great for people who like the opinionated workflow. Sadly that is not most people, at least I know of 5 people who tried Gnome and 4 came to the conclusion that the lack of a taskbar/launcher/dock makes it unsuitable for their desktop usage.

    If Gnome had an optional dock, they might’ve actually used it and found out how great Gnome is. Maybe at some point they’d even disable the dock and return to the blessed workflow.

    danielfgom,
    @danielfgom@lemmy.world avatar

    You might not want to but the average user definitely uses that. It should be a toggle in settings for the best of both worlds

    d_k_bo,

    extensions.gnome.org/…/desktop-icons-ng-ding/

    TCB13,
    @TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

    For the 1000th time, those extensions aren’t even close to what something really native would offer. They fail in some circumstances like drag and drop to certain plains and behave inconsistently.

    aniki,

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    TCB13,
    @TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

    Welcome to Linux. It’s dope here. Things are FAST.

    Yes, until you decide to use GNOME and suddenly everything “endlessly complex” while you wait for pointless UI animations to finish. :P

    eclipse,

    Never had issues with Gnome on low end hardware but, you can disable animations in the accessibility settings. (No extensions needed!)

    TCB13,
    @TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

    Not all animations.

    TheAnonymouseJoker,
    @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

    GNOME is the snappiest DE on low end hardware besides LXQt and XFCE, but go on.

    d_k_bo,

    GNOME Extensions actually run in the gnome-shell process itself and can do most things that a builtin solution could offer.

    They fail in some circumstances […] and behave inconsistently

    That proves why they shouldn’t be part of GNOME Shell themselves. Offloading some (debatable) functionality to extensions helps keeping the core components reliable and maintainable.

    Side note: there is also a DING implementation with supposedly better DnD support: …gnome.org/…/gtk4-desktop-icons-ng-ding/

    redcalcium,

    No amount of funding will make native desktop icon happen if the devs simply don’t want to implement then.

    InstallGentoo,

    Human ego is quite fascinating

    TheGrandNagus,

    It’s zero to do with ego and 100% to do with them believing desktop icons are awful.

    TheGrandNagus,

    Desktop icons 🤢

    Quik,

    Great News!

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