Audacity9961

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Audacity9961, (edited )

Fedora, Red Hat and Ubuntu are Wayland by default, as are Debian and openSUSE Tumbleweed/Leap Gnome.

Audacity9961,

I’m sorry, but your assertion that those who are upset with nvidia are mostly “newbs” is nonsense.

Plenty of more experienced users despise nvidia as well, and they have done immense damage to the Linux desktop.

In fact I would argue the opposite, given the proliferation of distros focused on new users which specialise in making nvidia drivers easily accessible for these users.

Audacity9961,

Do you have a link to the bug?

Audacity9961,

Always a classic

Audacity9961, (edited )

Why on Earth are these nonsense blog rants constantly upvoted here?

It is essentially an unlettered rant that conflates the author’s UI and toolkit preferences with an objective view.

It doesn’t even provide a useful comparison to the evolution of QT to provide for a meaningful reference of its implied assertion that the evolution of GTK is too rapid for devs.

Audacity9961,

It is much more difficult than that imo.

Many of the Chromium forks have small teams, sigificantly smaller and with little actual in-engine experience compared to Firefox for example.

These teams need to have sufficient resources to maintain a reasonably significant fork of a standard, which will likely get harder over time, and which none of them presently deal with, as they ride the standards implemented by Chromium so far.

Additionally they would have to maintain their own extension stores, which many presently don’t.

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A Sneak Peek at new linux distro Zorin OS 17

https://blog.zorin.com/2023/12/04/a-sneak-peek-at-zorin-os-17/

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Audacity9961, (edited )

It really is quite useful for a certain user.

It has a really great selection of polished layouts OOTB that can make GNOME look very familiar to whatever the user is used to.

Also has some other great tweaks around WINE for beginners, and a more easily accessible Nvidia option in install media.

I don’t use it myself, but I would suggest it is ideal for someone who is a basic computer user who wants to mostly web browse and use home office tools. It really is ultra-polished.

Yes this could mostly be replicated with extensions and themes, but honestly, unless you have strong feelings about your OS, which most people don’t, it is not worth messing about with this (particularly when installing for others) when Zorin is available; it can be a headache to have to maintain such comprehensive layout changes through extensions and themes without breakage throughout upgrades. It also has the benefits of being based on the very actively developed GNOME, compared to something with a smaller team like Cinnamon, namely much better Wayland support, and in my view more polish.

Audacity9961,

It’s an Ubuntu-derivative using Gnome, but with a large number of tweaks to make it very user friendly out of the box. They have a variety of pre-made layouts in a beautiful theme that can pretty well replicate Windows 7, 10, 11 and Mac layouts among others, as well as a clear option to include Nvidia drivers OOTB in install media, and a better WINE experience for example.

It supports wayland just fine.

In my view it has all the benefits of Mint without many of the drawbacks stemming from its custom DE.

I personally don’t use it, preferring Gentoo or Fedora, but I think it is a very good choice for beginners or those people who only use a computer for web browsing and home office use.

Audacity9961,

I would definitely recommend installing it in a VM or liveUSB and trying it out. It won me over, when I thought it would just be another themed distro.

Audacity9961,

Sorry not sure.

I’m sure it could be replicated with a theme and Extensions, but this might take some time.

Audacity9961,

I live in fear that the Phoronix forums will federate…

Audacity9961,

Also limiting rule updates to new extension versions will essentially make it impossible for adblockers to outpace anti-adblock interventions.

Audacity9961,

A lot of people don’t realise that tampermonkey isn’t libre in my experience.

Audacity9961,

Why do you expect that Edge wouldn’t adopt Google-like MV3 along with Chrome?

Microsoft adopted Chromium in order to minimise development costs in a product it doesn’t see as core, something which would be incurred if it had to maintain its own fork of mv3, and is incentivized through Bing to pursue a similar approach.

Audacity9961,

Developer edition is essentially Firefox beta, with some tweaks that developers may prefer by default, and some experimental dev features.

As I understand it, it aligns with beta, but is an early beta, meaning that while it shares its codebase, it may get access to some feature rollouts (that are gated by edition) slightly earlier than true Firefox Beta.

Audacity9961,

Definitely, along with the specs of your phone.

Audacity9961, (edited )

Unless I am misunderstanding you, it is, on Dec 14.

Extensions just have to specify they are compatible.

Audacity9961,

Yeah, I’m aware. My fault for not specifying I was talking about stable.

Audacity9961, (edited )

It is opensource. The only thing that aren’t are some required Google Play libraries for notifications and the EME - Firefox can’t make those open as it doesn’t control them.

github.com/mozilla-mobile/firefox-android

Preparing to move from Ubuntu to Fedora

Hi! I’m seeking some advice and sanity check on hopping from Ubuntu to Fedora on my personal PC. I’ve been using Ubuntu LTS for almost two years now, switched from Windows and never looked back. But I cannot say I know Linux well. I use my PC for browsing, some gaming with Steam (I have AMD GPU), occasional video editing,...

Audacity9961, (edited )

Fedora is on a six monthly cycle just like non-LTS Ubuntu; neither distro is on a yearly release cycle. The previous release is just supported for an extra six months, for one year of support per release for Fedora.

Fedora itself isn’t rolling but the kernel and mesa packages do roll between releases, and it is more bleeding edge than Ubuntu generally.

Audacity9961, (edited )

Nothing. OP is being an idealogue that is doing a disservice to new users.

Snap can be undesirable for some, but honestly Ubuntu works very well for beginners and arguably has a more intuitive gnome interface by default.

Audacity9961,

Manjaro has too many issues that are well documented with instability and security for new users.

Audacity9961,

This is not correct.

Firefox still uses Gecko for its HTML engine. Quantum was a project to incorporate some learnings from Servo, and other larger performance projects, into Firefox components, including Gecko.

Just an aside, but Servo was never intended to replace Gecko, and was only intended to be a R&D project for improving some Firefox components. This was due to the long-tail of web compatibility that would be required to make Servo a suitable replacement for Gecko.

Audacity9961,

OpenBSD, NetBSD and FreeBSD all support or are planning to support Wayland.

Audacity9961,

Yes, FreeBSD already allows running Wayland. On my FreeBSD box, I have run it just fine.

OpenBSD are also working towards it.

I’m not sure about NetBSD.

Audacity9961,

FreeBSD runs Wayland just fine. I run it on one of my boxes.

OpenBSD is also working on Wayland support.

NetBSD I’m unsure of, as their development pace is quite slow.

Audacity9961,

Even then it is 200 series and up. 100 and back through to 900 will still not just work at this stage.

Audacity9961,

That’s exactly the case.

Audacity9961,

What is your usecase?

This is the key question.

Audacity9961,

Is there something that attracts you to NixOS for that purpose?

I’ve got Nix OS running on one of my computers, and honestly, haven’t found it to be particularly notable for those usecases.

Audacity9961,

Mostly to learn about it’s unique selling points.

I think it is very interesting in terms of the easy deployment of specific environments, and in terms of writing recipes for new packages.

Having said that, outside of these two rather niche areas for home use, I think it is rather unintuitive and offers no real advantages over more established players that offer a more polished experience, like Fedora for workstation and gaming use.

Audacity9961,

I don’t think most Arch users are.

However, I do think a small portion of the Arch community are. There seems to be a segment that is quite aggressive with RTFM, even where the wiki is unclear, or are otherwise very condescending or even aggressive to new users.

People also really need to stop recommending Arch to new users, especially those looking to move to Linux for gaming.

Audacity9961,

You are describing a different scenario to myself here though.

There is nothing wrong with helping to direct people to the manual of course if it is genuinely of use.

There are many who are not as friendly as you in my experience who use these queries more a flex of their perceived superiority than any genuine attempt to be helpful.

It is these people who view arch as some sort of elite status symbol that makes them superior geniuses that are toxic.

Audacity9961, (edited )

I’m curious what sized system you are putting in that costs that much.

An 8kw solar system usually costs a bit over $8k and at least in many areas seems to have a ROI of a bit over 6 years at most and often much less.

Audacity9961,

It can produce more savings sure in terms of electricity costs, but when including capital, solar is presently much more cost effective. In my area some 6.8kw panels have a four year ROI.

Audacity9961, (edited )

As others have stated, as long as you are using a distribution with reasonably modern (and maybe frequent) updates of the kernel and mesa stack, it doesn’t matter much. The updates of these two packages are what will provide updated hardware support and performance improvements.

Steer clear of Nvidia. It can work on linux, but is a pain due to Nvidia not providing proper open-source driver support. I also highly recommend ensuring you have an intel chip if you need wifi, as realtek and broadcom can be a bit variable in terms of support and stability for wifi.

Wayland is also preferable in my view, due to its significant benefits over X11 - it is more secure, makes your computer much smoother, and supports modern niceties like better multi-monitor support, gestures, lack of tearing, HDR (in the future), etc.

This segues into my next point. It makes more difference what DE you use when gaming - GNOME currently doesn’t support VRR on Wayland (appears to be coming in next release at least experimentally), while KDE does. So that is something to think about. I would stick to either of these two DEs as these are the only two that are both user friendly for beginners, and have excellent wayland support. Cinnamon, MATE and XFCE all do not yet support Wayland.

I would steer clear of distributions that are not established, and/or only have very small or single person teams (as this has potential security, stability and support implications) and would recommend Fedora. Fedora has a bleeding edge mesa and kernel (that roll between releases), but stability elsewhere with a solid community behind it and a dedicated security team, built on cutting edge technologies throughout. If you need VRR I would use the Fedora KDE spin. OpenSUSE tumbleweed is also a great choice.

Many users will recommend Arch Linux systems, as this is the hotness, particularly as this is what SteamOS is based on. I wouldn’t recommend this even as a very happy Gentoo user, however, as relatively “pure” Arch Linux distributions (and Gentoo), will require you to follow notices on the website, and will require your knowledge and intervention at some point based on this notice; without your intervention, it will likely break your system. So as a beginner I would avoid Arch Linux and Endeavour OS.

Manjaro has had many too issues with the security and stability of their distribution to allow me to comfortably recommend it, and the Nobara and Garuda Linux teams are both too small for me to be comfortable recommending them. Zorin OS, Pop_OS and Linux Mint are all excellent workstation distributions, but their outdated kernels and software (they are based on a long-term support base) mean you may be either giving up some performance or hardware compatibility.

Audacity9961,

It is because of the tivo workaround to GPLv2. This was fixed in GPL v3.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivoization

Audacity9961,

How would BSD help in this situation? I’m not sure I follow.

Audacity9961,

While I don’t mind BSDs, that would lead to even worse outcomes though in my view. Companies wouldn’t even have to release the source code, and they routinely don’t.

What we need is more copyleft to ensure companies contribute back to the communities they leach from, not less.

Audacity9961,

They are being downvoted because it is utter nonsense, spouted as authoritative fact.

Anyone who has ever used gnome seriously, knows that although it can be used for touch it is heavily keyboard oriented.

While not undermining the work of KDE devs who I have great admiration for, GNOME devs also work heavily on standards that benefit all of linux, and arguably do just as much if not more, as they are a very well resourced project.

Audacity9961,

There appears to be at least an aspirational goal for GNOME 46 to land experimental support.

Audacity9961,

Gimp 3 uses python 3 as well.

Can we identify as animalists?

The words don’t seem that common, but I think ‘animalist’ or ‘animalism’ put the focus back on animals, similar to ‘feminist/feminism’, and more accurately describe what veganism means to me: a moral stance supporting animals. It somewhat confuses me that there isn’t a simple term to denote full support and...

Audacity9961,

I don’t think this one will work.

Animalism is already the name for a philosophical position, and a set of religious beliefs.

I think it would be confusing, although I do appreciate the attempt to re-centre.

I suggest on the other hand we insist that people who claim they are vegan without any ethical consideration for animals, be called plant-based, as a way to prevent dilution of the term and goals of the movement.

Audacity9961,

It has already been announced and is likely to come before year-end.

Audacity9961,

www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/…/releasenotes/

Audacity9961,

Windows Media Foundation I believe, but yeah.

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