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Diplomjodler, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

Driverless cars will very much have a future because you can’t build trains everywhere. They won’t be personally owned though, i.e. they’ll be robotaxis. Just imagine cities without parked cars.

kameecoding,

if japan can build trains, high speed ones at that then I think it’s safe to say you can build trains anywhere you fucking want.

chumbalumber,

You certainly can build trains wherever you want, but it comes at a cost that’s not necessarily worth paying everywhere, as it comes with both short term and maintenance costs. I say this as someone who works in rail and is passionate about it; in some locations there isn’t the demand to run the kind of high frequency service necessary to remove the need for car ownership. You can be better off with a demand responsive bus service, for example, to connect to your long-distance, high speed links.

kameecoding,

counter argument, Switzerland.

Maladius,

I agree trains will just be more common for distance. I also agree driverless cars will be more common, but would add I think we’ll see more one person, two person, eight person cars in the city. No point in sending a four person car to take John to see his grandma.

SwingingTheLamp,
blackn1ght,

We already have a system where you can request a car to come to your location, take you there and then it goes off and drives around doing the same thing for other people. I don’t know why it being autonomous means that people will ditch their private cars for it.

computerscientistI, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

Trams, buses and metros might be ok for cities and burbs. Trains are cancer.

JohnDClay, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

We shouldn’t take anything for granted. The US has happily killed it’s cities for decades instead of investing in public transit. If we don’t push for it, car companies and rich people will keep public transportation from ever taking off.

If remote work takes off, and ordering most everything online, I wonder if urban sprawl will get even worse.

DavidDoesLemmy,
@DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone avatar

Why do you live in the USA?

can,

Moving is probably expensive.

JigglySackles,

It’s highly expensive and difficult to emigrate from here.

Beelzebob,

I feel like a bunch of us here would swim in other waters if it were easy to leave.

EnderMB,

I find it funny how there are often lots of people that live in the US that would love to move somewhere like the UK, while there is also someone in the UK that would love to move to the US.

While the former is far easier than the latter, I wish that there was a “The Holiday” style visa where you could swap status with someone for a year.

KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX,
@KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX@lemmy.ml avatar

Is the former really easier?

JohnDClay,

Really good and interesting jobs.

31337,

Yeah, I live in a conservative state, and the state department of transportation stepped in and blocked my city from adding a few blocks of bike lanes. They want to get rid of everything “public;” transportation, schools, health, etc.

Izzy, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation
@Izzy@lemmy.world avatar

What is micromobility? I am unfamiliar with this term.

Fried_out_Kombi,
@Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world avatar

It’s things like bikes, ebikes, electric scooters, monowheels, etc.

Izzy,
@Izzy@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks. that makes sense.

eestileib,

My powered wheelchair!

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Based

acelery,

So like motorcycles?

FARTYSHARTBLAST,
@FARTYSHARTBLAST@kbin.social avatar

Among other things include bikes, scooters, monowheels, etc.

Kage520,

Oh I love electric scooters in cities! I always get excited when I visit a city that has those Lime or other brand rentable ones.

Fried_out_Kombi,
@Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world avatar

I own my own private electric scooter and it’s great. Makes for a quite pleasant commute, especially since I have a route that goes on protected bike lanes all the way from my apartment to my work!

FARTYSHARTBLAST,
@FARTYSHARTBLAST@kbin.social avatar
dylanmorgan,

Seems like all posts about e-bikes. Let’s see some pedal power!

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

I have pedal foldable bike(because I don’t want cramming unfoldable bike in elevator pornography) and regular scooter. I want escooter, but will buy it only after 3d printer.

pennomi,

Cars, but like, Hot Wheels size.

NaibofTabr,
FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzd11GMBONg

He’s still with us. Why isn’t he doing stuff today? I feel like he’d be a huge YouTube star if he did his schtick reading Twitter threads or comment sections super fast. Stuff like that.

SufniDroid,

It’s a relatively new term to refer to extremely small and lightweight vehicles generally used for short-distance rides. Things like bicycles, rollers, very small electric vehicles like e-rollers, e-bikes, segways etc.

KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX,
@KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX@lemmy.ml avatar

Wasn’t there a toy in the 80s called Micromobiles?

wheeel, in [video] Europeans love sleeper trains. Why don’t we? | CBC Creator Network

Because I have so little time off, by the time the train gets there it’s time to go home so I can make it to work on Monday.

utopianfiat, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

mfs in 1923: “Cars will never replace trains and horses because there’s whole swaths of the country with no highways or gas stations!”

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

True. Then came ethyl alchohol. Then came alchohol ban, that basically subsidised oil industry.

skymtf, in Car is too big for their own good
@skymtf@pricefield.org avatar

These trucks suck, they have massive blind spots. I was recently crossing the street in my local area and the signal changed and I ran and fell. I was thinking at that moment if a truck were turning, I would of been crushed!

Aggravationstation, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

I don’t disagree but there are two points that spring to mind.

  1. This is an inevitable future, but I think it’s very far off. In order to make this viable towns and cities would need to be radically different.
  2. How would large item courier services operate after that modification?
FireRetardant,
  1. People are calling for radical change to their cities as they realize the poor economics of urban sprawl and suburban development. You do have a good point though as transit, density, and mixed zoning all work best when used together.
  2. The shift to transit and walkability will actually make exisiting roadways and highways less congested and better serve any delivery vehicles using them. We won’t rip out all existing roads, but we will stop building a new lane every 5 years.
TheDoctorDonna,

I think you’re making it out to be a bigger problem than it really would be. Nobody is going to push personal and commercial vehicles out, but there would be a lot less of them, they’d only be as big as necessary, and they’d be more environmentally friendly.

bouh,

The cities were radically different before we decided that a car should be able to go anywhere.

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Like every other huge factory before cars: connect to railways. Or tram network if you are in city.

jerkface, in Like watching a car crash in slow motion.
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

I haven’t found a good print of this yet but apparently this image has been cropped: www.wired.com/images_blogs/…/SHOA.MED_.jpg

jerkface,
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

It wasn’t cropped, that was some kind of addition.

CeruleanRuin,

Those last three panels were an epilogue R. Crumb did ten years later as three possible answers to the question posed by the original: “WHAT NEXT?!!

You can actually read the captions in this higher resolution version.

hillsanddales, in Car is too big for their own good

There is no world in which I’d see that truck without stealing the step stool.

DharmaCurious,
@DharmaCurious@startrek.website avatar

While I agree generally, just check for a handicap license plate first, please.

My mom is disabled, and we have to use a pick up truck for hauling her power chair (too heavy for a lift gate). They don’t make small trucks anymore. We drive a Nissan frontier, so not as ridiculous as this, but still a large truck. She has to use a step to get into it. Our other car is a small SUV, and we pull a trailer when we need to take her wheelchair. I’m all for shaming people for driving gas guzzling monstrosities, but it’s really important to check the tag first. When we first moved to our current location, the nearby city had a group that would slash tires on oversized cars. We got signs printed explaining, because honestly, if it weren’t for the whole wheelchair situation, I’d be down for that. Lol. I wish they made an electric vehicle capable of hauling her chair that we could afford. Shit sucks. :(

hillsanddales,

I hear you. But at the same time if you brodozered your wheelchair mover with a bush bar and off road tires, I’m still yoinking the step stool haha.

More seriously, yeah it sucks there are so few practical vehicles being made that aren’t the size of an Asian elephant.

DharmaCurious,
@DharmaCurious@startrek.website avatar

Legit guffawed at “brodozered”

And it really does. It’s damn near impossible to afford an actual wheelchair van, and the only options outside of that are SUVs and pickups. And if you want anything newer than 25 years, it’s gonna be absolutely enormous. We got lucky when a friend had a decent running 2002 CRV. It’s “small,” at least when compared to most SUVs, but capable of pulling a trailer.

wintermute_oregon, in [meme] Las Vegas Loop -- expectations vs reality

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  • roguetrick,

    If they don't hurry up and extend it, how else will House take all the NCR soldier's money while they're on leave.

    Rheios,
    @Rheios@ttrpg.network avatar

    Didn’t the cab companies interfere with that? Or at least lobby hard against it?

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  • Rheios,
    @Rheios@ttrpg.network avatar

    I mean, I’d believe that too. I’m pretty far from it and avoid the strip as much as possible, so I’ve never had the “pleasure”.

    kn0wmad1c,
    @kn0wmad1c@programming.dev avatar

    They did. They’re also the reason why it took Uber and Lyft ages to break into the Vegas market.

    too_high_for_this,

    Yeah, it’s literally a hat on some dude’s head, they couldn’t even make a real monorail

    debugrr, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

    The future is as hazy as literally everything else. Do we have cars where they aren’t needed? Yes Do we have rail systems that are hot garbage? yes Do we have rural area that are sprawling making rail and micro less possible? yes

    Will trains and public trans be a staple of the future just like it is today in larger cities? yes.

    When I lived in Philly, I took the train everywhere but the grocery store… except when I had leisure time then I took my car… and where I went, and a train or self driving care won’t take me there.

    uis,
    @uis@lemmy.world avatar

    Actually rural areas usually are connected by rail. At least in Europe.

    rab, in stop driving

    I live in Canada there is no other option

    jerkface,
    @jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

    You live in Canada where there is no other option and yet somehow a significant portion of your neighbors don’t own cars. Wonder how that words, Rab.

    rab,

    All my neighbours own cars. Literally every single one

    jerkface,
    @jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

    You’re using “neighbor” to mean, “people who’s property is directly or nearly directly adjacent to mine”. This is a shitty little trick of sophistry where you pretend to be obtuse so you don’t have to acknowledge the obvious fucking point. I guarantee you, I fucking GUARANTEE you, there are people in your city who don’t own cars. How do they do it, Rab? How do they do it?? There are no other options!!

    rab,

    Are you ok? My nearest neighbour is 3km away. You need to own a vehicle

    imPastaSyndrome, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

    It’s the best thing for the future, that doesn’t mean it’s inevitably the future

    ILikeBoobies, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

    Society wants it, companies don’t

    That is why we won’t adopt trains and why we haven’t yet

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