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JohnDClay, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

We shouldn’t take anything for granted. The US has happily killed it’s cities for decades instead of investing in public transit. If we don’t push for it, car companies and rich people will keep public transportation from ever taking off.

If remote work takes off, and ordering most everything online, I wonder if urban sprawl will get even worse.

DavidDoesLemmy,
@DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone avatar

Why do you live in the USA?

can,

Moving is probably expensive.

JigglySackles,

It’s highly expensive and difficult to emigrate from here.

Beelzebob,

I feel like a bunch of us here would swim in other waters if it were easy to leave.

EnderMB,

I find it funny how there are often lots of people that live in the US that would love to move somewhere like the UK, while there is also someone in the UK that would love to move to the US.

While the former is far easier than the latter, I wish that there was a “The Holiday” style visa where you could swap status with someone for a year.

KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX,
@KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX@lemmy.ml avatar

Is the former really easier?

JohnDClay,

Really good and interesting jobs.

31337,

Yeah, I live in a conservative state, and the state department of transportation stepped in and blocked my city from adding a few blocks of bike lanes. They want to get rid of everything “public;” transportation, schools, health, etc.

GBU_28, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

Can we get light rail and trams in there?

The focus urban transportation is a good one imo

Thrift3499,

That’s a nice idea. The trams in Melbourne work really well.

bill_1992, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

Also, trains and light rail have already been automated. The tech is already here.

WtfEvenIsExistence, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

Fuck trains, teleporters are the future!

general_kitten,

not before we figure out if teleporters kill people

WtfEvenIsExistence, (edited )

Reminds me of this post I did a while back: lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/1065014

But if it were more worm-hole like, I’d use it.

But even if its star trek type, it’s still good, just need to convince people to use it, climate crisis is averted! Who cares if they are the same person after teleportation, as long as my teleporters sell and I make a profit! 😈 insert evil CEO laugh

(I wont use star trek type teleporter btw, I mean unless I wanna die)

Misconduct,

At least I’ll have some company taking shuttles everywhere because same lol

Fried_out_Kombi,
@Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world avatar

As a thought experiment, do you know if going to sleep kills you?

You wake up in the morning with all the memories of life before sleeping, but do you really know if that was you living that life? What if your consciousness dies each night when you fall asleep, and a new consciousness is formed in the morning who thinks it’s you?

zalgotext,

So what you’re saying is someone else is pissing my bed every night, not me

SwingingTheLamp,

It’s not even overnight. Neurologically speaking, consciousness ‘drops out’ briefly roughly every 90 seconds (IIRC), as the brain attends to other tasks. It’s spooky to see people who have impaired working memory; it’s like they completely ‘reset’ after a short period. Here’s an example. It’s a new consciousness formed from your memories that thinks it’s you, every minute and a half.

JohnDClay,

Thinking of which, I’d image it’d be used for military use way before commercial. Militarized teleporters sound pretty terrifying. Move someone’s torso over one foot, or put micro bombs inside people or vehicles.

Enkers,

Oops, we forgot to de-materialize the original person we were transporting. Guess we’ve got an infinite supply of manpower now.

user224,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar
WtfEvenIsExistence,

What a terrible day to be literate 🤮

utopianfiat, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

mfs in 1923: “Cars will never replace trains and horses because there’s whole swaths of the country with no highways or gas stations!”

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

True. Then came ethyl alchohol. Then came alchohol ban, that basically subsidised oil industry.

Sanctus, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

At one point you just can’t move all these people where they need to be in individual tin cans that seat four but mostly hold one.

AfricanExpansionist,

Time for work. Make sure you bring a sofa, two easy chairs, and a sound system with you.

driving_crooner,
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

Just wait for autonomous vehicles, when they would sit zero most of the time.

thantik, (edited ) in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

Yeah, never going to happen. Most of us don’t like to live like sardines in a tin can, sharing 4 walls with other inconsiderate assholes.

Fuck city living. Fuck the city. Fuck densely packed consumer culture bullshit. Fuck public transportation. Put up as many roads as you can, give me 4 wheels and a place to visit.

City living just exacerbates the problem with corporations owning everybodies housing, and the expectation of everyone coming into the office every day. Move education, work, etc online and be done with the need to travel into a city at all.

All it would take is a couple thousand city-dwellers to move out into rural America and America’s republicans would be eradicated, moving us towards actually electing politicians that believe in sound scientific policy, etc.

But instead, all the uneducated slack jawed yokels are out living in nature, meanwhile people who don’t even SEE trees or wildlife are on the internet proclaiming how much they love the earth and how we need to save it. Fucking come out here you cowards!

alphabetsheep,

I live in the middle of nowhere and drive race cars on the weekend, I think we agree on a lot of things. I love having plenty of space, not a fan of close neighbors, apartment living or any of that shit.

I still want cheap trains and micromobility though. Every once in awhile I need to go into the city and taking my ebike in on the train is so much better than driving. Also even if you still drive like normal, it would go so much smoother if all the city folks stuck to the train and got off the roads.

Not saying cars should be more expensive, and definitely not saying city living is the way, but having better options for city folks only helps the situation for the rest of us.

TheDoctorDonna,

No one is forcing you to live in the city, but at our current population plus the current growth, it makesmore sense to have to majority of people live in cities and use public transportation. We cannot all live rurally, it’s just not doable. And isolating ourselves to everything online is not good for most people’s mental health- through we should all have a choice in that.

And if you want to continue having a “place to visit” everyone needs to take a more environmentally friendly approach to travel. Fewer roads and smaller private vehicles alongside increased public transit to wherever isn’t too remote to service.

Also the bank owns the farms too.

ekZepp, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation
@ekZepp@lemmy.world avatar

I would personally bet on boats… (or even fins)

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/aeb39018-baaf-4c03-a9b4-4804107df139.jpeg

mindbleach,

Mom’s gonna fix it all soon.

Red89,

Mom’s comin round to put it back the way it ought to be

uriel238, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I thought remote work and urban archipelagos, so yeah.

magnusrufus, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

I especially like that this format of the meme removes the d-bag that is in the original.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’m still not 100% on board with it because it still made me immediately think of that mentally, sexually, and maybe even physically abusive fuckhead.

thrawn,

Memes are so much better without the backstory. This was the first time I’ve seen it mentioned so I looked it up, and holy shit. Had no idea that was him, I’ve seen the name but not the face.

FARTYSHARTBLAST, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation
@FARTYSHARTBLAST@kbin.social avatar
AfricanExpansionist,

I looked at that group but it seems like it’s just ads for new bike models

FARTYSHARTBLAST,
@FARTYSHARTBLAST@kbin.social avatar

There are a lot of ebike posts but there's definitely other stuff there

wintermute_oregon, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

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  • Aux,

    Said a person who has never been on a train in London during peak.

    wintermute_oregon,

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  • Aux,

    Yeah, that’s definitely an issue in the US.

    wintermute_oregon,

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  • Aux,

    You know what’s interesting? I’ve never paid more than £150 for a ticket to fly anywhere in Europe. Paying thousands sounds completely bonkers to me. I bet I can fly from London to the US cheaper than $1000.

    wintermute_oregon,

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  • Aux,

    There are several Portlands in the US, so I’m not sure which one you’re talking about, but I guess if it’s the one on the West Coast, then it’s about the same distance as from London to Tenerife. That would cost me £68 one way booked two weeks in advance. I remember flying from Frankfurt to Tenerife for free. Yes, free. But that was a long time ago, hard to find deals like that these days… But man, $800, what the fuck?

    SwingingTheLamp,

    Riding train at peak is still more relaxing than driving at peak.

    Aux,

    I would disagree. But then again, I prefer cycling or WFH so… Fuck both trains and cars at peak!

    Izzy, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation
    @Izzy@lemmy.world avatar

    What is micromobility? I am unfamiliar with this term.

    Fried_out_Kombi,
    @Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s things like bikes, ebikes, electric scooters, monowheels, etc.

    Izzy,
    @Izzy@lemmy.world avatar

    Thanks. that makes sense.

    eestileib,

    My powered wheelchair!

    uis,
    @uis@lemmy.world avatar

    Based

    acelery,

    So like motorcycles?

    FARTYSHARTBLAST,
    @FARTYSHARTBLAST@kbin.social avatar

    Among other things include bikes, scooters, monowheels, etc.

    Kage520,

    Oh I love electric scooters in cities! I always get excited when I visit a city that has those Lime or other brand rentable ones.

    Fried_out_Kombi,
    @Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world avatar

    I own my own private electric scooter and it’s great. Makes for a quite pleasant commute, especially since I have a route that goes on protected bike lanes all the way from my apartment to my work!

    FARTYSHARTBLAST,
    @FARTYSHARTBLAST@kbin.social avatar
    dylanmorgan,

    Seems like all posts about e-bikes. Let’s see some pedal power!

    uis,
    @uis@lemmy.world avatar

    I have pedal foldable bike(because I don’t want cramming unfoldable bike in elevator pornography) and regular scooter. I want escooter, but will buy it only after 3d printer.

    pennomi,

    Cars, but like, Hot Wheels size.

    NaibofTabr,
    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzd11GMBONg

    He’s still with us. Why isn’t he doing stuff today? I feel like he’d be a huge YouTube star if he did his schtick reading Twitter threads or comment sections super fast. Stuff like that.

    SufniDroid,

    It’s a relatively new term to refer to extremely small and lightweight vehicles generally used for short-distance rides. Things like bicycles, rollers, very small electric vehicles like e-rollers, e-bikes, segways etc.

    KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX,
    @KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX@lemmy.ml avatar

    Wasn’t there a toy in the 80s called Micromobiles?

    regulatorg, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

    Trains are great but people want their own personal bubble and don't want to stand around outside waiting for a train especially since the timetable is out of their control

    TheDoctorDonna,

    What people want and what is sustainable may be two different things and some people will just have to deal with that. Leave earlier and dress for the weather 🤷‍♀️

    regulatorg,

    Ideal but large corporations and billionaires are not just going to stand by and let the government ban cars

    hoodatninja,
    @hoodatninja@kbin.social avatar

    We don't need to ban cars, we just need to stop structuring literally everything around accommodating them. Also a difficult task, but far easier than banning cars.

    TheDoctorDonna,

    Who said anything about banning cars?

    kameecoding,

    the strawman said it

    GBU_28,

    Literally incongruous with how most folks will vote but sure

    TheDoctorDonna,

    Because people still vote for money over prosperity.

    Rivalarrival,

    Or, stay at home, and let someone else do the traveling.

    Burp,
    @Burp@kbin.social avatar

    This has been my sticking point with trains. In theory, it sounds fantastic and I’m all for it. The problem is is that Having a vehicle is so much nicer. Air conditioned and private transportation, whenever you want. Listen to what you want, go where you want.

    Maybe if the train was much more convenient? I like the idea for travel more.

    Nouveau_Burnswick,

    Air conditioned

    Public transit has this technology.

    Listen to what you want

    Headphones.

    whenever you want […] go where you want

    Public transit can solve these problems with more frequency and routes. Sometimes public transit goes places private transport can’t!

    private transportation

    Can’t do this one.

    Fried_out_Kombi,
    @Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world avatar

    Can’t do this one.

    For long-distance travel, sleeper cars on trains are even better – you can’t close the curtains and go to sleep if you’re driving across the country.

    For short-distance travel, bikes and scooters!

    Nouveau_Burnswick,

    Great point! Sleeper car rail in Canada is so terrible I tend to forget it exists.

    Skepticpunk,

    Public transit can solve these problems with more frequency and routes. Sometimes public transit goes places private transport can’t!

    Or, hell, just get one of those foldable ebikes that are all the rage these days. Technology is coming for cars just as it came for horses and nobody even realizes it.

    Burp,
    @Burp@kbin.social avatar

    Ehh, it’s more like comparing a hostel to a hotel room.

    Would you trade your private bathroom for a public one? Considering you already had a private bathroom, going to a public one is a downgrade.

    Fried_out_Kombi,
    @Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world avatar

    If you look at old maps of streetcar networks in cities (before they ripped up the tracks to replace them with cars), one thing that stands out is just how dense the networks were. For instance, here’s the old Montreal streetcar map:

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/e6e3d241-6f37-4947-bcf3-737f0c11fbc7.png

    Versus the modern-day Montreal metro map:

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/765a75b7-d734-4a75-9b84-0f0368d3a5ea.png

    And Montreal has some of the best modern-day urbanism in North America, mind you; most cities are far worse. But it really makes you imagine what our cities could be like if we made many/most streets car-free and just had ultra-dense networks of trams again. Maybe even cargo trams to deliver goods to stores as well. Trains would be ubiquitous and ultra-convenient.

    AfricanExpansionist,

    It’s because we built everything to be car-scale and then the metro states had to adapt to that

    Crappy.

    AfricanExpansionist,

    I recently bought a car for the first time in a decade. Driving is hell.

    alphabetsheep,

    This is key. Urban planners and environment folks focus so much on their respective fields and don’t consider dignity enough. Of course we’d all like cheap, fast, sustainable transportation, but not if that means being packed into bench seating, plagued with delays, and sometimes even risk our safety due to other passengers. Trains don’t have to be bad, but the penny-pinching planners often ruin the experience.

    SwingingTheLamp,

    I drove through Atlanta at rush hour once. I’ll never go there again, if I can help it. That was kind of the opposite of what I think of when I think of “dignity.”

    bill_1992,

    Quite frankly as an American, I think it’s very American to even consider the timetable as out of your control. For a lot of places, the trains come so fast that you’re not even waiting for a few minutes - like most drivers take longer to get settled into their car seat before driving. The sorry state of American transit is absolutely not the pinnacle of transit.

    driving_crooner,
    @driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

    Move to the city and use a bike? Can’t or don’t want? Not a problem for the city or the people that live in it, you’re a guest, not a resident.

    dnick, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

    By the time those thing will have taken over, something else will be in their place. For certain values of ‘trains’, ‘urban’ and ‘micro mobility’, your claim will likely be true, but ithat is too vague to talk someone out of if that’s simply your stance.

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