I wondered if there were many people on lemmit.online whose valuable contributions to the community would be cut off if we defederated, so I went over there and found this instance description:
A Reddit to Lemmy crossposting instance.
In other words, the whole place is a reddit copypasta bot. So banning the bot would be effectively the same as defederating from the instance, wouldn’t it?
I prefer the way posts here feel more curated than on reddit, so to me, that bot is mostly just generating noise. But I can understand that some people who rely on social media for news and such might be more likely to spend time here if they can get all the posts in one place. So I’m voting to leave it up to the users. Blocking a single bot for myself is easy.
If it was putting problematic load on the server, though, I think I would consider it spam and vote to defederate.
Currently I’m more aware of general interest instances for both Lemmy & Kbin, and a few more focused ones (e.g. Mander.xyz/slrpnk.net/startrek.website), so I’m curious what others there might be....
I have good and bad news for you. And they’re the same piece of news - no matter what you do, the healing process will take the same time. You can’t really speed it up, but treating the symptoms as they appear won’t make it go slower either.
So while the cold is going on, focus mostly on your comfort and well-being. Based on what you said in the OP and across the thread (“I noticed my symptoms gradually start about 3 days ago”, “I am going on holiday in 3 days”), you’ll probably be fine for the holidays.
[Off-topic: you probably selected “bot account” in the settings, didn’t you? You’re being marked as a bot by Lemmy.]
Browsing new or Hot and seeing 15 posts in a row to /imaginarytanks, /imaginarycars, /imaginaryaviation, etc. got old the 2nd time I’ve seen it. I’ve had to resort to blocking the communities and bot that’s just spamming for content.
hooh boy. i'm going to make this foldable because this will be a long comment— in general, i think a hierarchical community system would be leagues better than a tags system. for tags to be really useful, they have first-class citizens: allow me to subscribe to just/c/[email protected]#favouritetag (or /c/community#[email protected]?)[^3], allow me to subscribe to just that tag with rss, and allow me to add just that tag to a multicommunity, when they’re released. with all of those features, it may as well be a subcommunity, but i digress this issue seems to be confused between two or three different things called tags, as well, which is an issue for readability but never mind > A post tag would be defined as a “subtitle” of the post inserted by a mod of the community (or an admin) after the post is published, with the purpose of categorizing or adding flair to the community post. It would be displayed in the post listing alongside the title in a smaller font, inside a bordered box, reddit style. i quite like this. i’m presuming it’d be similar to reddit’s “flair” system > Also, the main usefulness of tags, is being able to list / filter on them, which already works with searching. Lets say a music community requires a [Genre] tag, so if you wanted to list all the rock posts, you could just this: dev.lemmy.ml/search/q/[rock]/type/all/sort/…/1. this i would say is another point in favour of tags, as the mod of a community could add them whereas we currently can’t edit post titles (which is good) i can’t remember, however, whether reddit allowed >1 flair per post. this seems like something that’s almost compulsory > Have you considered tags as an alternative to sub-communities? It seems to work pretty well for lobste.rs, this is where they discuss their reasoning: lobste.rs/about#tagging this seems like a terrible idea. i will copy a comment from reddit and the response from the sift developer, which didn’t really solve my qualms: — >> i feel like this would not be a reddit alternative, more a twitter or tumblr alternative.
subreddits are (or were) disparate communities, with different philosophies. if somebody tags a post with #trans and #gender-critical just because it relates to both; the comments will be an absolute cesspit > That is a reasonable concern. Sift is aiming to be something of a hybrid/hopefully superset that can be used reddit like or twitter/tumbler like.
The community aspect is indeed tricky. The solution we are trying is to use our reputation graph (see my top level post for more information) to pick out which comments get shown to which users.
The hope is that this will allow us to support partially overlapping virtual/individualized communities. In your example the #trans folks can be having a discussion about the article and mostly seeing posts from other #trans folks (because of their graph connections) and the same for the #gender-critical side. What will also (hopefully) happen is that some of the (highest quality|funniest|best reasoned|least offensive|…) things from each side will float up to the top of the graph intersection and maybe give a little bit of a chance for some constructive cross dialog.
Sift is aiming to let everyone be a “mini-moderator” of their own experience and then also propagate that curation to others who will find it useful.
Our model does have potential failure modes of even worse echo chambers, but we are well aware of that and trying our best to design around it.
We’ll be having more discussion of this over at /r/siftquest and (eventually, when it supports discussion better), sift itself. now i personally dislike that idea. i don’t want my experience curated by a “reputation graph”, i want it curated by me. but this is a bit of a digression as i presume this idea was never really considered — > Hierarchicial tags — a cool feature to borrow from Tildes! […] this actually seems like a reasonable idea, but it was abandoned due to mastodon[^1] > I think the idea of using nsfw, cw, and spoiler tags for labelling objectionable content should be considered. This idea originated from Tildes, where hierarchical tags are used to add specifics. I no longer think hierarchical tags are a good idea, however, as they could potentially break compatibility with services that use tags differently. this is a great idea! there should definitely be more than one “blur post” tag. in fact, an editable CW: reason[^2] so that users can pre-emptively block tw tags they don’t even want to see blurred would be great too to be honest, i think the current “spoiler” formatting is bad as well - it should just be called “folded text” or “<details><summary>” or something, and have a spoiler system that just blurs, or blacks out the text/images which would work as block or inline > I disagree for a couple reasons:
>>They would enable better discoverability on non-lemmy software where hashtags are the main topical grouping mechanism right now. so zcdunn is proposing they’re cross-community? that sounds like it would make things awfully cluttered >> While lemmy uses communities for topical grouping, some posts might fit into multiple categories, even unrelated categories. Crossposting sort of solves this, but crossposting can be considered spammy if it’s done too much. And crossposting creates another post which fractures the conversation. This may be desirable sometimes, but a poster may also prefer to keep all the conversation in one spot. see my thoughts on sift. i’d rather posts be crossposted so that the comments sections would be separated per community as a less inflammatory example: if a cinnamon news post is tagged Cinnamon and Linux, half the comments will be “man, i could never use cinnamon, they don’t even support wayland”, drowning out actual cinnamon users because there’s less of them >> It would allow finer grained filtering of posts, even within a community. Users may be interested in a topic, but not every facet of that topic. this is the only good use of them, but see my first point > @remram44 I think we’re talking about different types of systems. What i’m suggesting is hashtags that work the same way as the rest of the fediverse. A user could tag their own post when they create it; no other user would be able to tag your post.
You would be able to write a post like this:
URL: example.com
Title: Whatever
Body: Hey check out this interesting #Elixir post that discusses possible #BEAM optimizations
Community: !programming
and it would have the hashtags Elixir and BEAM. Users on pleroma/mastodon/misskey/etc would be able to find the post on their instance under either of those hashtags. this is, in my opinion, the worst possible solution. twitter posts read completely disjointedly, as there are random punctuation marks and diffferent coloured text strewn haphazardly throughout the post, like twitter. it becomes almost unreadable. just tag them when posting, like we do with nsfw currently > To add to @techno156:
Protocol:
According to w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/#dfn-tags a general tag object exists in the ActivityPub protocol. As dessalines said having unmoderated tags is not an option here **as it would increase moderation work too much.**emphasis mine i’m not entirely sure i see this - dessalines never explained why it would increase moderation… > To whoever starts working on tags, can we please add a feature that allows for advanced tag filters? I want for those things to be possible:
1.) Don’t show posts with choosen tags
2.) Show posts where all of choosen tags exist
3.) Show posts with at least one of choosen tags
4.) Show posts with at least one of choosen tags but exclude ones that have choosen unwanted tags this is another great idea; and ideally would be added to the url scheme as well (/c/[email protected]+#wantedtag-#unwantedtag? i’m not sure how to implement this) > @Neshura87 This probably can be a separate issue but if we are about to implement advanced filtering for tags then maybe we could implement date filtering along tag filtering? Saying that here because I thought that ideas/features overlap a lot and it would be better to have it made together. :x you are on fire here that’s pretty much everything i have to say, i’m sorry it’s so long. any comment i haven’t commented on i either agree with, am neutral on, or haven’t seen
this also sounds awful. it will just propagate what is currently popular, making it more popular. this is already a problem with sorttype=active. it will cluster all the conversation into one tag, making it continuously popular. don’t do this.
i missed these, so i’ve never used them; but this seemed like a really good idea
Categories have been removed, and there is #317 for tags.
ah, shame
[^1]: honestly i feel a lot of my issues stem from interopability with mastodon. i wish we weren’t interoperable with mastodon. the twitter model breeds vapid and pointless comments like this. i’d rather a static tag similar to reddit’s, as that’s designed for a link aggregator not a microblogging site. but maybe that’s just me
[^2]: e.g. CW: Gore, CW: Sexual Abuse etc.
[^3]: edit: don’t use hashes for this. they don’t work in urls. i’m dumb.
By then I predict the big corp news media will report on Lemmy like it’s the new 4chan. Unmoderated instances that no major instance links to will give them plenty of ammunition. Non technical users will believe it to the frustration of all Lemmy.
Not trying to be a downer when they attack you, you know you’re winning
Lemmy and Reddit in general haven’t been good for reliable news for me. I’ve been using Artifact for the past few months to have a more personalized feed, but I much prefer picking my own RSS feeds.
The only thing that is lacking for me about RSS feeds is the ability to discuss content. If Lemmy can fill that void, I’ll gladly switch over.
Kind of, yes? I’ve commented on it more than once here.
This is the point you’re missing. Although, I guess I’m glad you’ve stuck around… For some reason…
A place where you have a variety of well vetted sources. A place where you don’t have to wade through a sea of “Hunter Biden’s laptop”, “lizard men” and Infowarriors.
Does news have a slant? Yes. Am I well aware of that? Yes.
The difference is, there’s no longer a “both sides”. I’m not interested in what some qanon blogger thinks about the Senate. And, here on Lemmy, that goal is achievable. And, I would argue, close.
However, the problem here is that you have bad actors operating unchecked. That is a problem of an immature platform, not an inherent problem with news in general as you’ve spent a lot of time and words intimating to me.
So, as we bring this bad boy around full circle and I put this behind me; the question is, is there a place for reliable news and politics? The answer to that question is, apparently, not yet. But, I’ll hold out hope that it happens because Lemmy is a promising platform that has a lot growing up to do.
Yeah, it just doesn’t really exist yet. I’m not sure a really well-moderated community for news content can exist yet on Lemmy, due to the culture that’s slowly springing up, but if it did it’d have to be on a dedicated instance, I expect - one with a very, very dedicated set of moderators with relatively strict rules regarding what is sufficiently-well-sourced content, and all other communities on the instance being held up to the same bar in their specific niches in order to encourage that kind of posting culture.
Honestly, I don’t think Reddit ever achieved a really good result either - the news subreddits were all dumpster fires to varying degrees - but Lemmy’s immaturity worsens the issue here, I think. It’s pretty appallingly obvious. I’d look elsewhere for news opinion aggregation, for the time being.
I think Reddit did a better job than you give them credit for. The may not have achieved eutopia, but they outperform all others who’ve tried up until this point.
Lemmy has more promise than Reddit, IMO, for well moderated news aggregation because they’ve seen the reddit model and can replicate it without the bondage of Reddit administration.
The problem, as it seems to me currently, is that Lemmy, specifically in the news and politics realm, lacks moderation of any quality. And, that’s not necessarily a shot at moderators either. They’re either new to the roll or there aren’t enough of them.
They also don’t have the benefit of year of users bitching and shaping the rules that govern a community, as Reddit has had.
I think we are just saying that whatever generic, non offensive form of media that you consume is also biased in ways that you can’t quite perceive. You’ve encountered some alternative narratives on Lemmy and you regard them as biased without necessarily making the connection that your own news outlets and views are equally biased. It’s easy to see bias in others but hard to see in yourself
Current events are certainly worth following and Lemmy could be a great place to add comments, ask questions and find additional context. A bot to scrape a relevant subreddit if content is needed.
Complaining about bias is what I was addressing. You can get unbiased media. Al-jazeera is surprisingly good for world news.
I wasn’t complaining about bias though. That’s the thing. I was asking for reliable news aggregation on Lemmy. Big difference
Nobody here seems to understand that though. Or, very few.
I know news is bias. That isn’t the point. It’s the posting of blogs, YouTube videos, altering headlines, using alts to brigade voting and push an agenda… Here, on Lemmy, not in the media.
The media is a known commodity. If I read an MSN article, I know their bias. If I read a fox news article, I definitely know their bias.
A bunch of edgy “communists” and qanon accounts manipulating the large news and politics community ON LEMMY is the point. Not the news
The article does kind of define it, but does a poor job.
An emotionally sticky node is a user who makes other users stay on the site. Examples of this for Reddit would be accounts like poem_for_your_sprog, ShittyWatercolor, Shittymorph, or wil.
There are others, of course, that you may not be able to name - /r/California was mostly kept alive by /u/BlankVerse, who posted 85% of all the articles to that subreddit. You'd never notice unless you paid attention to usernames. Similarly, a small percentage of people made a large percentage of Reddit's OC. Typically you couldn't name them, either, but you'd know if they weren't there because they gave Reddit a soul.
Reddit started off as a bunch of bots reposting links they found, without even a comment section. Eventually real people came and started posting nerd stuff (like programming articles) alongside the bots. Enough of a critical mass was created that a comment section was added, making old Reddit look like what HackerNews or Tildes look like today. The programming and porn were sent to different subsections of the site for the people who don't want to see such things (these became the first subreddits). The default subreddits were slowly created, then anyone could make their own subreddits for their own topics.
Still, it was largely posts to things found elsewhere. People went to Reddit as part of their trip through several other websites. They'd usually gather what they found during that trip and repost it to Reddit. OC wasn't expected; reposts were encouraged. By the early 2010s, a lot of the pictures on Reddit were mainly 4chan reposts. People who had a lot of stuff saved from other sites were the "emotionally sticky nodes" and people would come to Reddit to see stuff that was explicitly gathered from everywhere else - hence why Reddit was the "frontpage of the internet", an aggregate of what people had found elsewhere.
Eventually we started to see OC for the first time. Advice Animals sprung from 4chan memes and really started to go viral across Reddit. Reddit users started making their own native advice animal formats and now Reddit was no longer just "things from elsewhere on the internet" but new content you couldn't see elsewhere. Soon these people making OC became the "emotionally sticky nodes", keeping users on the site.
And, of course, there are other things who were "emotionally sticky" without necessarily posting memes. Reddit became a great place to aggregate news at-a-glance. This is because of the moderation of the news and politics subreddits, ensuring that things posted to their subs were actual articles, post names were real headlines (no editorializing!), and the page wasn't littered with random YouTube videos or self-posts or images or whatever. Good moderation meant that you could go to /r/news or /r/worldnews and trust that you were getting the same effect as looking at the headlines of a newspaper. Similarly, the 2012 election had /r/politics become a great source of information and discussion about the US Presidental Race. These sorts of things made Reddit a useful site and kept people coming back.
Even now, Reddit still has "emotionally sticky" places. They could be individual users like the ones I mentioned above, or they could be entire subreddits that aren't quite captured here on Lemmy/Kbin yet. Neither Lemmy nor Kbin have great mod tools, and a lot of mod teams here are inexperienced and not as aggressive as Reddit mod teams are. You can argue this is a good thing, but aggressive moderation really matters for places like the news communities where legitimacy comes from users avoiding editorializing. This means that these places aren't a good replacement for Reddit (yet) - subreddits where moderation is important are still "emotionally sticky" because nothing can compete with them. (This is why it's important that Lemmy develop good mod teams and good mod tools!)
There are oodles of niche communities that you've never heard of that haven't come over, either - for example, !modeltrains (@modeltrains) and https://lemmy.world/c/nscalemodeltrains are niche communities on Reddit, but neither of their fediverse counterparts have much activity (other than me). People on Reddit thus don't want to leave their niche community because it doesn't have any activity over here, and because there's no activity over here, nobody wants to come over here to start activity - meaning there's no activity over here. That's why it's important to make sure you contribute often to niche communities you care about, even if your content isn't "good" - there needs to be something to lure emotionally sticky nodes here and get people to jump over.
That said, some places absolutely have made the jump successfully (https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/c/196). But for most places there's a while to go before Reddit gets to the point where it can't maintain itself as a site.
Thanks for doing that. I was wondering why my multiple Lemmy apps weren’t loading my account. Then saw the news.
I appreciate you going ahead and logging out all users anyway. Just needed to remove and add accounts again in the various apps (using so many until one feels like the best for me!). But thanks for taking those steps!
I’d be interested to see other organisations get involved too. For instance, instead of every news website having their own comments section, why not set up a Lemmy instance? They could post links to their articles and users can comment with their Fediverse account, posting could be limited to users from that server, and sign-up could be restricted to people who work there.
A middle ground between the community forum and twitter, I guess. Leave binding discussions, to the wiki and mailing lists (though if we want to share arguments here, nothings speaks against it). Any niche that allows for occasional deep talk next to showcases.
What should this place look like in about one year time?
A fair share of projects, while hopefully not the only type of content (maybe showoff threads become a necessity there)
Similarly I think projects with the data, such as renderings should have a place here, within reason. Both would probably profit from a flair system, but thats more a task for lemmy-dev than osm-lemmy-mods.
Questions and a culture that answers them in a respectful manner.
Discussion of OSM related news, such as WeeklyOSM.
Do you have any questions for us?
Long time redditor, first time lemmyng: coming from feddit, is it unusual that my abonnement is still shown as pending? Posts do appear in my feddit-feed.
Similarly I think projects with the data, such as renderings should have a place here, within reason.
Having some nice maps here? Sound like a plan, as long as they are (partially) OSM-based ;)
Discussion of OSM related news, such as WeeklyOSM.
I did ping them to automatically post here as well
Long time redditor, first time lemmyng: coming from feddit, is it unusual that my abonnement is still shown as pending? Posts do appear in my feddit-feed.
Well, we don’t have a lot of Lemmy-experience too… I guess that the federation still has to take place? I assume this is a technicality and it’ll resolve eventually.
Besides tech-focused instances, what other subject focused Lemmy/Kbinstances have you found?
cross-posted from: lemmy.world/post/1374550...
[Lemmy.ca Discussion] What should we do about Lemmit.online
@bot has been subject to multiple reports from our users over the last while....
Besides tech-focused instances, what other subject focused Lemmy/Kbinstances have you found?
Currently I’m more aware of general interest instances for both Lemmy & Kbin, and a few more focused ones (e.g. Mander.xyz/slrpnk.net/startrek.website), so I’m curious what others there might be....
How to get rid of a cold fast?
I am going on holiday in 3 days and of course my body decided a couple days ago to catch a cold…right before my long awaited holiday!!...
the /c/imaginary x spam is killing me.
Browsing new or Hot and seeing 15 posts in a row to /imaginarytanks, /imaginarycars, /imaginaryaviation, etc. got old the 2nd time I’ve seen it. I’ve had to resort to blocking the communities and bot that’s just spamming for content.
Could you give Lemmy the Terrier a home? (www.sussexexpress.co.uk)
Was looking up news stories about Lemmy (the site) and found this based on the keyword. Thought I’d post it here.
Whats with the Lemmygrad hate?
What’s with all the downvotes?...
Taylor Swift - a community for Swifties and anything related to Taylor Swift (geddit.social)
This community is on Lemmy....
Confused on what fediverse apps to use
I have recently started using fediverse apps, mostly lemmy and mastodon. So far Lemmy is the only one I use the most and kind of understand....
MOD POST: Progress on creating community guidelines; next steps for mods and users (kbin.social)
Good day to everyone! Heads up: this post is going to be very long....
12 years ago. Wonder what Lemmy will look like in 12 years? (lemmy.world)
Introducing OpenLLaMA: An Open-Source Reproduction of Meta's LLaMA
cross-posted from: lemmy.world/post/1305651...
Where do you go on Lemmy for reliable news and politics?
I’m enjoying Lemmy so far, for the most part....
Reddit is a dead site running (dbzer0.com)
UI updated to 0.18.2-rc1
Heads up that we’ve bumped the UI up to 0.18.2-rc.1, which should resolve the current exploit that was seen on lemmy.world....
Dutch government starts own Mastodon instance as reaction to the instability of Twitter (lemmy.world)
@beheerder
Introducing the mod team + open call for moderators
Hi all!...