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pietervdvn,
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In Belguim, we are importing the official building dataset into OSM, but it is a slow process.

what are you looking for in the upcoming year(s) for osm?

My biggest wish is that there’s an easy way to contribute images to wikimedia and to link them easily with osm. As soon as that’s possible, we’ll map the world much quicker and more reliable. Someone might take pictures of benches and another one will add the info if there’s a backrest from home.

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Someone might take pictures of benches and another one will add the info if there’s a backrest from home.

What about mapcomplete.org/benches ? Granted, it does not upload to Wikimedia commons - but then again, Wikimedia commons isn’t the right place for thousands of (mediocre) pictures of mor or less identical benches. A picture there should be “qualitative” and either “educational” or “relevant”.

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What do you mean with “it’s not accessible to the broad public”? The pictures get linked properly with an ‘image’-tag, so it shows up in e.g. OsmAnd.

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Some work for the OpenStreetMap community in 2024… 😀🚰

“Free drinking water soon available in Belgium's 100 largest train stations”: https://www.brusselstimes.com/belgium/810782/free-drinking-water-soon-available-in-belgiums-100-largest-train-stations-tbtb

So, how would you tag this ?

amenity=drinking_water
fountain=bottle_refill
access=yes
wheelchair=yes
fee=no
operator=NMBS/SNCB

cc: @openstreetmap

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I have some more time. The tag literally reads “amenity=drinking_water”, meaning that one can get drinking water for personal use here. It does not imply the physical form of this, e.g. if it is a bubbler fountain or a water tap. In either case, the tagging for the wide variety of items isn’t very consistent…

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Yes, I looked into this as well, but there are apperently quite a few, contradictory ways to do this…

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amenity=drinking_water is a place where you can get drinking water. There is no requirement to be able to drink directly from the water jet. Even more, the ‘fountain=bottle_refill’ makes it clear that this is not possible.

What do you all do on your phones that isn't doom-scrolling or mindless mini games?

I find myself checking out pretty often and just making myself feel bad about the state of the world, or killing half an hour on stupid games that I could 100% live without. This is probably pretty common, and I’m wondering what other people have found as a way to do more productive things with their phones in the downtime.

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I use maps for navigation (mostly OsmAnd) and improve OpenStreetMap with my self-made website (mapcomplete.org)

pietervdvn,
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Correct. Naming of ubuntu is always . of release. The LTS’es are supported for four years, so when 24.04 is released, the 20.04 will be EOL

pietervdvn,
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!openstreetmap - but that’s also because I helped to get it going during the first reddit-waves ;)

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How would you map a refill shop on OSM? Those places you can go with containers and buy by weight.

@openstreetmap @openstreetmap

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These are mapped as regular shop, classified by what they sell; except that they get an extra attribute about zero-waste as m-p{3} pointed out.

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Well, in a way, they do provide accurate geolocalisation for indoor environments based on wifi networks. And it is right that having internet/bluethooth access also (more or less) reveals your location; but that doesn’t make it ethical.

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We normally don’t map situations that change fast, nor do we map regions with an active war (e.g. Gaza and Ukraine).

Even if we did, we’d have to wait for aerial imagery and satellite imagery showing the latest situation. So, I get that you want to help but it might be better to wait until the whole situation de-escalates.

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Should indeed be doable, but please: do not upload this data into the “real” OpenStreetMap.org. We don’t do parcel data (it is not verifiable on the ground), and imports are something that should be done with care.

However, you can use the tools. Use JOSM to prepare the data and convert it to a .osm-format on your local computer. Then use the OBF-creator to make an OBF file which you can drop at the right location on your phone. The map creator is right here :osmand.net/docs/versions/map-creator

pietervdvn,
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Not at the moment. It takes a lot of mapping and a lot of work to get this correct.

You can however try to create your own routeplanner using OsmAnd, but you’ll need to be familiar with OsmAnd, XML, some programming and OpenStreetMap. (I created the Ski routeplanner a few years back this way)

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In Belgium, we are running a slow campaign where we are importing the official building dataset. Most mappers import a bit of the buildings and do a general update as well. (BTW: we have permission to use this data and did a thorough discussion with the local community, so the import guidelines are followed)

pietervdvn,
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You can see, edit and close notes on Mapcomplete.org/notes . You can also edit the map and add new points with MapComplete as well, within many thematic maps.

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That depends on local tagging preferences.

(For the non-canadians, it would help to have an image linked, e.g. on Mapillary or maybe Geovisio/Panoramax.)

Also: a warm welcome to the canadian Lemmy-community!

pietervdvn,
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There is no good, only “good for”.

OsmAnd and Organic Maps are both tools to solve different problems in a different way. For some usecases and users, one will be better then the other.

But: OsmAnd also improved their UX a lot in the past few years, so that helps!

pietervdvn,
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Yes. I’m mostly developing a website, and testing on another browser is necessary every now and then. But that is my only use reason.

My main browser used to be firefox till tw9 weeks qgo, but it started to be buggy so it’s LibreWolf now.

pietervdvn,
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Even then, it should be resurveyed as the road closure might have ended sooner or might be delayed. It’s the resurveying that is the tricky part.

pietervdvn,
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Well, please give it a shot then! 9ne can write a script that does this maintainence automatically.

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OpenStreetMap congratulations to all the mappers, contributors and donors who made this journey possible. Strong map community 💪 🌎

@openstreetmap @openstreetmap @OSM_Pontarlier @OpenStreetMapUS @osm_foss

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pietervdvn,
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Checkout mapcomplete.org as well

pietervdvn,
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You can also try the webapp mapcomplete.org

pietervdvn,
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There is a (somewhat) active community here too: !openstreetmap

pietervdvn,
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FF local translations is already there in the stable releases. Just update!

pietervdvn,
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Ah, I was talking about desktop. Afaik this is not yet on mobile.

I’m using Fennec BTW

pietervdvn,
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If someone wanted to add data, they would be more likely to deal with a slightly unfamiliar UI.

No. Many people are interested in adding bits of map data, but are scared by confusing UI. That is pretty much the point of mapcomplete. For example, some emergency response rooms in Belgium have added AEDs precisely because it is simple to use. They won’t bother to deal with JOSM or even iD!

pietervdvn,
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No, they are really fused together. The idea is that you drink something while waiting for your laundry to be done.

pietervdvn,
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For maps: either OsmAnd or Organic Maps. The first one is a beast but needs to be tamed, the latter one is more user friendly. They are both based on !openstreetmap

Additionally, you can use mapcomplete.org to improve the maps (or the online editor in openstreetmap.org)

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It is gonna take a long time. We had a contributor (lodde1949) who drew pretty much all (!) the landuse of Flanders over the course of several years. We suspect he was an older person who did this like 8 days an hour, until he suddenly stopped. In any case, they never responded to our messages, so we have no idea who this person actually is (or was).

pietervdvn,
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What is important to you ;)

There are many interesting datasets in OpenStreetMap which I try to make visible and editable with MapComplete.

Of course, general information (should as shop info) is what matters the most to most people, but it really depends on the usecase.

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The inspiration largely came from StreetComplete and MapContrib. StreetComplete has a really nice, slick UI. MapContrib allows to setup a thematic map easily, which focuses on one thing.

I had been toying with the idea of being able to quickly setup thematic maps before, but a nice project (with some funding) came along, being able to start the project.

pietervdvn,
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Eh, donate me a Mac Laptop, so that I can debug on it ;)

In all seriousness, I did some testing on a Blink-based browser, it works on there - so I have no idea why it doesn’t work for you

pietervdvn,
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It is relatively easy to create a theme yourself - it boils down to creating a .json-file and sideloading this into MapComplete. The entire process is explained here

Once it is finished, the next step is to send it back to me (preferably via a Pull Request) to get it into the “official” mapComplete. This offers some benefits, mostly that it can be discovered by others, that it’ll be translated and that documentation can be automatically generated (for example: tagInfo shows which projects use a certain tag, those are auto-generated)

I’m currently building an easy-to-use ‘MapComplete-Studio’, so hopefully, it’ll be even easier in a few weeks time!

pietervdvn,
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(I typed out an answer before, but it seems like it wasn’t posted)

do you believe in OSM as a project?

Yes, definitively. It is widely used and known, many successful companies are alive based on the data and it is getting known.

What do you think its long term goal should be or even is?

To collect and publish geodata about the world - or at least about all somewhat-permanent objects that are located on this world. And we are succeeding at that pretty much!

Completely replace something like Google Maps?

It depends on what you precisely mean with “Google Maps”. Google Maps is, first and foremost, an advertisement vector, disguised as a map. For many consumers, it is a map service which has lots of information about shops (including reviews and pictures) + navigation with traffic information.

So, some OSM-based apps might replace some of the services Google Maps offers, but many things (reviews, traffic information and pictures) are clearly out of scope for OSM (but can be filled in by Mangrove.reviews, mapillary or geovisio).

Having everyone use it as the main platform for looking at a map?

This is not the goal of OSM and should not be it. Have every map-app being based on OSM-data would be nice though. It’ll bring other problems though, such as fighting spam and fake shops…

I sometimes wonder if OSS projects should have aims that ambitious.

Eh, it depends on how the OSS-project is structured. Is there an organisation behind it that lives from it and can make money of it, to fund it? Is it a hobby project? The aims and ambitions are to be decided by the project maintainers and all people involved. Many OSS-projects and volunteer organisations can be thought of as being a do-ocracy. Hackerspaces are a good example of that, and a good intro to the concept can be found here: hackerspace.design

I run MapComplete a bit the same. I do the stuff that I either want to make or where I can get funding for in some way (thanks NlNet!). If someone passes by with a feature request, my reply often is that I don’t have time, but feel free to make it yourself.

I can’t imagine a world in which people would all be using open and free standards, and I think it’s because I’ve become so accustomed to the commercial aspect of developing software as things currently stand. What I think I might be asking for is actually your overview and opinion on OSM as a project and what we could expect of it, going forward.

In my opinion, Open Source grows at a slower pace, but is more sustainable (or the project dies and gets forgotten). On the other hand, there are - for some pieces of software - incentives by the closed-source projects - to switch people over, to keep the money flowing, so it is an uphill battle.

pietervdvn,
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Join our community: !openstreetmap

Also, you answered the question backwards, but I don’t mind XD

pietervdvn,
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Some shameless advertising: there is an OpenStreetMap-community on lemmy: !openstreema0

pietervdvn,
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This isn’t directly related to OpenStreetMap, or am I missing something?

pietervdvn,
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Hmmm, maybe a general geo-community should be started then? I’d like to keep this one OSM-centric.

pietervdvn,
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This argument is definitively true, but I come to this OSM-community for news about OSM and for help about OSM, not for general map discussions - that is explicitly the scope of this community.

Lemmy is big enough to have a general maps- and geo-community, go on an create it!

pietervdvn,
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Hey, your links are incorrect. It should be mapy.cz (single P) instead of having two P’s - which link to a lingerie website… Can you edit your post?

pietervdvn,
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Shoutout: we have a community here to on lemmy: !openstreetmap

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