NotErisma,
@NotErisma@hexbear.net avatar

Strike YeS HAHAHA YES

sicko-pog

D3FNC,

In Ford’s defense - everyone in the plant that actually works for a living and doesn’t just play fantasy football all day - is on strike so it’s not surprising their management is paralyzed by indecision for weeks on end.

idiomaddict,

Good.

dan1101, (edited )

While I sympathize with the workers wanting more money, I’m not looking forward to new vehicles being more unattainable than they already are.

Bloobish,

Majority of inflation is largely greedflation, i.e. corporate profit driven not in anyway compensational towards wage costs. Hell even the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics agrees.

dan1101,

I expect so, but most corporations aren’t going to roll back and make less money than they do now. I read that the UAW workers want to make $100,000 a year after 4 years on the job. I don’t see how that can make vehicles any more affordable.

Sir_Kevin,
@Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Something something McDonald’s Whoppers…

atetulo, (edited )

Corporations will do whatever they need to maximize profit.

If people had higher standards, businesses would have to meet those standards in order to stay in business.

I don’t see how that can make vehicles any more affordable.

That’s because you’re not paying attention to the people who are making too much profit. They’re having a fat payday because vehicles are expensive and employees are paid peanuts. There’s plenty of room for vehicles to go down in price and employees to get paid more if the people making profit made less profit.

Keep in mind, they will still be making more money than you can ever hope to achieve.

D3FNC,

Imagine thinking the automotive industry actively looks for areas to cut the fat and somehow simultaneously you manage to completely ignore the fact dealerships still exist

atetulo,

What are you talking about?

Try to avoid playing leap-frog with yourself and just say your stance in a direct manner.

Starting off with ‘imagine’ just tells me you’re smug, but not correct.

Grimble,

how many cars are you planning to buy this year

usernamesaredifficul, (edited )

I think the companies already charge whatever they can get away with. They are always going to charge the maximum price they can without losing more money in lost sales.

The workers getting a pay rise would increase the minimum cost they could charge but they already charge the maximum which is what the market will bear. To not do the latter would mean these companies are willingly leaving money on the table

D3FNC,

The workers getting a pay rise would increase the minimum cost they could charge but they already charge the maximum which is what the market will bear.

No it wouldn’t. They would simply make very slightly less profit. Christ. Thatcher really did a number on y’all

usernamesaredifficul,

That’s what I said

The minimum cost they could charge is the amount it cost them to make it which would go up but they charge the maximum which is the price that generates the most profit without sacrificing sales therefore a pay rise would mean the company would just have to eat the cost and make less profit

atetulo,

Hey, buddy. I got some news for you.

Businesses charge what people are willing to pay. Full stop. Not what products cost to produce.

sovietknuckles,
@sovietknuckles@hexbear.net avatar

If Ford wanted to avoid a strike, they could have simply made a new counteroffer yesterday.

Shawn Fain BDE

Rom,
@Rom@hexbear.net avatar

Damn guess the US better start investing in public transport then.

BoxedFenders,
@BoxedFenders@hexbear.net avatar

UAW factories don’t make affordable economy cars anyway. In fact, the Big 3 abandoned that segment altogether in favor of higher margin trucks and SUVs. They didn’t choose to strike at the plants that build the Wrangler and Bronco randomly. Chinese EVs are slowly taking over Europe because they offer more car for less money. Our steep tariffs are the only thing preventing a Chinese takeover of the US market that would dwarf the Japanese invasion of the 80s.

Ilovethebomb,

This particular plant is making premium SUVs and pickups, by the sound of it, so already luxury vehicles. It’s not like they’re making economy cars.

JillyB,

It’s still going to affect the whole car market. A truck buyer might switch to a smaller car, limiting those, driving up used car prices. If workers get what they want and we get more appetite for car alternatives, win win.

praxi,

Greedy workers and greedy CEOs unite to raise auto prices. Lovely.

NatakuNox,
@NatakuNox@lemmy.world avatar

How are the workers greedy? Specifically.

atetulo,

They conflate needs with wants.

Rather than spending less, they want to make more.

It’s about quality, not quantity.

That said, it’s not fair for workers to get shafted while owners get richer. I believe they all should be making less money so those who have less can have more, but I’ll settle for workers at least getting proportional compensation.

Sir_Kevin,
@Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Even if that wasn’t complete nonsense, it would be a good thing. The world needs to stop making and driving ICE vehicles. High prices are a great deterrent.

fosho,

this take kinda ignores the large number of people and places that do not have that option. it’s not up to consumers to stop driving. infrastructure has to come first in more than just major cities.

petrol_sniff_king,

This is true, but I also think a rise in auto prices will present a problem that more infrastructure can fix? Like, it’s a pressure that public transit can release. You’d probably want a gradual change if that was the angle, though. Hm.

Sir_Kevin,
@Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I was about to rant about how important it is for things to change and people being inconvenienced doesn’t matter. But let’s be real. It’s already too late.

Ikaros,

The only hope i feel for the future of this country is workers unionizing. Its the only leverage the poor and middle class have. We need more unions.

PRUSSIA_x86,

At this point it’s a race to see whether the workers will band together before the magats go full fascist. This decade is about to get really interesting.

name_NULL111653, (edited )

I don’t want interesting, I want a decent life, preferably not in slavery to the rich… Is it time to move to Sweden?

XTornado,

Idk… recently I read about a guy that actually moved from there to America…I was perplexed 🤔.

iwenthometobeafamilyman, (edited )

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sadreality,

Ford thinks they can weather this since they needed to cut output anyway.

bluGill,
@bluGill@kbin.social avatar

I think they have been intentionally making a bad offer so the union strikes and thus production is cut while they blame it on the union to stockholders.

sadreality,

That's the play but it is has expiration date, hopefully strikers will out last these brain dead lEaDERShIP

bluGill,
@bluGill@kbin.social avatar

They just make a reasonable offer then. Most strikers cannot afford to last much longer - the union pays less than minimum wage for carrying signs (I haven't checked this strike, but that is typical)

Sir_Kevin,
@Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I’m not sure what this particular contract looks like but UAW is huge. Likely with a lot of money in their strike fund. I’d suspect they’re getting something like 60+% of whatever their pay was.

sadreality,

Ford thinks they can weather this since they needed to cut output anyway.

fosho,

I’m seeing double here. 4 krusties!

qooqie,

It’s gonna take everyone being on strike I think. Ford doesn’t give a single fuck as they’ve made clear through years and years of abuse towards its workers.

Sabata11792,
@Sabata11792@kbin.social avatar

I would love to see a few go bankrupt over this. Considering last time car companies were at risk they got a bailout, I'm sure the government will quash the strikes if they start to hurt.

qooqie, (edited )

I believe it’s become much more apparent to people including law makers that we can afford to live without these companies. So many startups for electric cars these days could take over those plants and offer better pay (hopefully). We should’ve moved past these shit companies as a world back when that bailout happened, maybe we learned our lesson and can do it this time.

ButtDrugs, (edited )

Unfortunately I don’t think any of the new electric car manufacturers are unionized. So a lot of these people would lose union gigs and end up with less pay/benefits at a non-union shop. Sire they could unionized again but that’s it’s own battle just to get back to where they started.

Sir_Kevin,
@Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

New companies don’t usually treat their people shitty while starting up. Otherwise they’d never make it in the first place. I think it’s later down the road when the greed kicks in and workers start getting screwed. So at least for a few years it should be win/win even without a union.

Magrath,

That’s not true. Start ups tend to take advantage of people’s hopes and dream of working for a start up. Not sure what the big deal is with start ups. Here’s the first article I found from a quick google search sifted.eu/articles/mental-health-workplace

Sir_Kevin,
@Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

A data set of 133 europeans isn’t much to base anything on. I do believe there are plenty of startups that are shitty to work for due to the reasons outlined in the article. How many are like that is hard to say.

Magrath,

A data set of 133 is better than your data set of 0.

Sir_Kevin,
@Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I’m not the one making blanket statements.

Parabola,

Love to see it, stay strong!

2piradians,

“Ford’s Kentucky Truck plant builds the Ford F-Series Super Duty, Ford Expedition and Lincoln Navigator SUVs. The plant is one of the largest auto factories in the world and accounts for $25 billion a year in revenue, according to Ford which issued a statement shortly after the walkout.”

Fain wasn’t bluffing, they’re hitting them where it hurts. Go UAW!

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