He’s right on this one. We shouldn’t be supporting a government that kills civilians no matter how much they try to justify it with saying there were legitimate targets behind them.
Often the excuse isn't even "bad guys behind the civilians" it's "probably bad guys somewhere sort of in the general area, but we didn't actually check first".
Oh yeah, then there's the "old lady trying to drag her dying mother into a church" those are always valid targets, apparently. As is the old lady's mother before the whole being drug into a church thing.
Dropping support for Israel is going to result in is more dead Israeli citizens, because Hamas sure as hell won’t stop attacking Israel just because Israel stops bombing them. Iran would laugh all the way to the bank where they would grab some more money to fund Hamas.
The government of the Gaza Strip (Hamas) was behind an intentional attack on Civilians that prompted this whole mess.
The government of Israel is intentionally attacking civilians in retaliation, mostly because those civilians are being used as human shields or are complicit with or supporting Hamas.
The whole thing is shit, and likely will not be resolved until Iran or the US back down on their support and the other side pushes out whoever lost support.
Edit: To all you idiots downvoting. Do you think Ukraine should jus give up territory to save civilian lives too? You’re being naive. There’s a reason why the governments of the western nations are still supporting these countries. These situations are a lot more important than you think for the balance of world power.
People in that region have been killing each other for thousands of years.
You want to look at historical attacks. There were entire Jewish cities in the wiped out a thousand years ago under the ottoman empire by Islamic citizens of the region.
You want to talk with the big boys perhaps do your research before you spout off.
Oh boy, I can’t wait to see my Catholic conservative family melt down over this one lmao. Papal infallibility is fun when it’s on the right side of history
I've only ever seen a volcano once from far away, thankfully while it wasn't killing people. It blows my mind I can watch one on the other side of the world with only a few seconds delay... I hope everything remains low level and doesn't cause too much misery for those nearby.
Here's more on the 12 year old that was murdered. Her family had been killed by the IDF a couple days ago and she had to have her leg amputated. She was still somehow optimistic and hoping to get a prosthetic leg in the future to be able to walk again and be a doctor when she grew up to treat other children like her.
“80% of the world is against Israel, which is backed by my country, but among them there are countries that are bad and oppose my country for some reason, so I’ll support what my country is backing instead”
Israel is much more successful in massacring people than any of the countries you could think of. And please, don’t talk shit about other countries when you aren’t ready to fight against your country’s ruling class. That never ended well. This is literally the reason some Russian “communists” support the war.
Support for Hamas does imply support for Palestine.
However, what the original commenter said is that supporting Palestine doesn’t imply supporting Hamas, which is true, it just implies an eclectic worldview in which you support a people against a genocide, but not their only means for resisting said genocide, and ignore facts (for example, by reading the 1988 Hamas charter, which is heavily cited by Western media, instead of the 2017 Hamas charter, which is much harder to find because it’s inconvenient for the West)
Hamas has also stated quite recently their goal is the elimination of Israel by repeated terrorist attacks against civilians. So no, one should not support Hamas.
First, elimination of Israel is a good thing. Second, please show me the source.
Indeed, “terrorist attacks” have widely been performed by Palestinians and Palestinian liberation groups. Some were aimless, as they were just the spontaneous expression of the hatred of Palestinians towards Zionists. Some were quite purposeful (and it’s not just Palestinians doing that, there were plenty of cases of e.g. terrorist attacks of Ukraine on many people in Russia, the most recent one I remember killed a former Ukraine deputy who defected to Russia, and the blowing up of the Crimea bridge may well be considered one) - with the purpose being anything from assassinations (like the assassination of the minister of tourism by PFLP, and I hope you won’t claim Israel’s government is innocent and shouldn’t be targeted), to raising money, to political demands (the Japanese Red Army Faction hijacked some planes for ransom or to make the Japanese government release prisoners, or to make a point by flying one to DPRK), to perhaps the most objectionable purpose - intimidating Israelis to show that this isn’t “their” land.
“Terrorist attacks” shouldn’t be equated with each other - they should be looked at in the context of who’s leading them, what’s their purpose and means. If you reject “terrorist attacks”, you’re often rejecting the only means of partisan combat for heavily overwhelmed forces. Of course indiscriminate attacks on civilians are bad (though if civilians start shooting at you, you’re forced to fight anyway), but, depending on the organization leading them, most terrorist attacks aren’t that. There’s of course also the wider problem that terrorist attacks can’t be the only means towards an end, and don’t make sense in a lot of cases. Whether Hamas or PFLP perform them is not up to me, I’ll just trust that they know their options better than me. I’m not in a position to teach or moralize them.
I do. Why not? Do everyone fighting the good fight need to be angels? Sure I wish it was pflp leading the fight but anyone opposing Israel gets my support.
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