AndyLikesCandy,

I know we only ever see a handful of rooms, that’s fine, but with over 100 crew they always all have personal quarters that are probably the square footage of 3/4’ish containers.

150m in diameter is one way to think about it. But then it’s also 8 containers long, or 25 containers circumference at the largest point down to no more than a few in circumference at the bridge.

You know, that seems tiny, it’s like there’s no volume left for the hardware that needs to be between every room and all over the hull

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I remember many years ago seeing a size comparison between an aircraft carrier and the TOS Enterprise. The aircraft carrier was bigger. I didn’t even know how to process that because of how big the Enterprise seemed to me.

Ryumast3r,

305m is 1000 feet. The USS ENTERPRISE was 342m or 1,123 feet.

A modern day FORD class carrier is 1092 ft or 333m.

For personnel comparison, ENTERPRISE held ~5000 people and a FORD class has between 4-5000 people.

The fact that NCC-1701 only had like 1000 people is…a big difference.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I can understand that on a mathematical level, but on a more emotional one, it’s hard to process. Just like I know that the speed of light is 186,000 mps, but I can’t really fathom how fast that actually is.

ParsnipWitch,
@ParsnipWitch@feddit.de avatar

This made me realise you could probably fit an entire small town including all it’s drama on a container ship.

Comment105,

Should’ve done that with Flint

TWeaK,

It helps that containers are a standard size.

BlueKittyMeow,

I really hate/love that is is what actually put the size of those container ships in perspective for me. I’ve seen the massive liquid natural gas tankers and those things are terrifying big but like… I still didn’t get the scale of these. Thanks sci-fi (look you guys that box set of TOS pays off irl!!!) 🤪

(Fr tho, anyone else have that set with the plastic curved cases with one of the uniform colors for each season? Prtty curves, infuriating snag-the-case,drop-the-DVD-on-the-floor-and-swear-and-snag-the-insert-pamphlet-closing-it-up-every-singlegoddang-time. But prtty curves)

SeaJ,

Container ships are fucking massive. The Enterprise only held like 1000 people which is only a small portion of a basketball arena.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Well damn, how tiny was Voyager? It only had like 1-200 people IIRC.

VindictiveJudge,

Voyager is just a hair longer than the classic Enterprise, but it’s also chonkier so it has more volume. About 150 people on an Intrepid-class, 200 on a Constitution-class.

BowtiesAreCool,

The original ship was also packed. Many many packed bunks and crowded halls. Even as noted in DS9 time travel to TOS episode

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

The ship itself felt huge to me, but even Kirk’s quarters were pretty modest.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/af78d740-725d-4036-9a50-4e8d80f990b1.png

Nurgle,

More context, Empire State Building is 380m without the spire, 443m with spire and antenna.

Munrock,
@Munrock@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I always used athletics tracks as a frame of reference. On a 400m track, the saucer section sitting in the center would be longer than the straights, but wouldn’t reach the ouside edges of the curves.

xantoxis,

Honestly thought it was way bigger than this.

livedeified,
@livedeified@lemmy.world avatar

the Enterprise “D” (632.5m long) held 1000 people IIRC. crazy!

aeronmelon,

Even crazier, the Galaxy-class has the capacity to evacuate an additional 10,000+ humanoids.

When you watch videos like this, you realize that 1,000 is not that much against the actual size of the ship. The entire crew can comfortably gather in the main shuttlebay at the same time.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwx5uB0pyhQ

MenacingPerson,

Uhm what are you guys talking about?? I don’t quite understand…

Wilzax, (edited )

Per kilogram-meter of cargo transported, container ships actually have some of the lowest emissions of any form of transportation!*

Other than electric vehicles that were charged by zero-emission sources of electricity

Iceblade02,

I’d wager that just accounting for emissions in the production of said electric vehicle will make it entirely unable to compete with container ships. Boats are crazy efficient.

Wilzax,

Good point, I wasn’t considering production.

nicene,

But don’t worry. The cargo ship sprang into being from nothingness and there were utterly no environmental impacts related to drilling, refining, and transportation of the fuel used to power the ship. So clearly EVs are so much worse for the environment /s

Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow,

What kind of emissions are we producing to build the ships?

vaultdweller013,

Most of its steel and other metals, so assuming that theyre using electrically pwered smelters most of the emmissions would be in transport and mining equiptment. So probably somewhat comparable, depends on how much rail was used or if it was transportes exclusively via semi.

Iceblade02,

Most steel is (unfortunately) made in Chinese blast furnaces using coal coke and powered with electricity from coal power plants.

vaultdweller013,

Im aware, I was giving a best possible circumstances type situation. Still the steel for both is probably sourced from the same factory.

lud,

And all steel is made using coal regardless of where it’s produced, except in experimental processes like HYBRIT.

theguardian.com/…/green-steel-swedish-company-shi…

Iceblade02,

Some producers use electric arc furnaces, a few of which use only scrap metal as input, which means they need far less coal and emit far less CO2 than a conventional BOF/BFF setup.

DudeDudenson,

How long are the cargo ships gonna be in service compared to that smartphone of an electric car?

Drunemeton,
@Drunemeton@lemmy.world avatar

It seems bigger on TV…

hitmyspot,

TV adds 20 pounds.

lolcatnip,

Going by the caption, it’s the container ship they had a hard time visualizing. Seems weird because I’ve seen container ships IRL but never a starship.

agent_flounder,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve never seen either. I’ll have to convert this to “cruise ship”

agent_flounder,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

Ok… the one I am familiar with is Disney Wonder at 294m long

dirtbiker509,

Disney Cruise line is the best! That was the first thing I thought of to compare this to.

ZombiFrancis,

I used to work at a port and would see those ships out at sea. They look like they are just offshore.

Then you see the fishing boats go out and all but disappear against the massive backdrop. You realize they’re many many miles out.

ladel,

I think for me this highlights how massive these boats are than anything. 400 m? What the hell? That’s almost half a kilometre. I’ve never actually seen one unless from very distant, so I can’t envisage how big it is. I know how big a bus is, but “80 buses” isn’t a very useful comparison either.

brianorca,

Then how about this one: a large container ship carries 24,000 TEU which is about 12,000 40 foot containers.

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