Do you feel this place has gotten more.. reddit-y lately?
Of course, that’s to be expected, with people migrating from Reddit and all, but the title is kind of badly worded.
Feel there’s a lot more argumentative and just kind of… angry users on here. (have you seen Sync fans biting everyone’s asses over saying money should be spent funding instances and not an app?)
That’s the core of the issue, the vast majority of them want a Reddit experience here. Before the app announcement, the general vibe here was putting privacy and online freedom above convenience, without obviously neglecting the latter. Now strangely enough, we suddenly got brigades of Redditors putting in a lot of effort to repeatedly defend their overpriced purchase and troll those who dare to say that an ad-funded “free” Lemmy app is just plain wrong.
With online discussion, there always will be. The only really thing you can do is to know when is the best time to abort a conversation. Especially in Reddit-like social media, when one person is getting downvotes then they are assumed to be wrong, then the hive mind brain kicks in.
Know when to stop, and also just knowing when not to comment in the first place honestly
I’ve found myself swiping to reply to a comment and just realizing it’s a waste of time when i could be contributing to an actually good discussion instead
It comes down to the heavy lifting the mods do. They are way too under appreciated back on reddit and here too. People think they can self police themselves and that other people will follow, but it’s the mods who set and maintain the type of tone they want for the community. People here aren’t anymore special than any other social media, so moderated communities and instances becomes important for those that arent happy with the outcomes of more lax moderation environments once they see users aren’t behaving the way they’d like them to.
I noticed it when going outside my subscribed feed shifted from being kind of nerdy tech and games topics to being more flooded with memes and a whole lot of politics and news. Not that there’s anything wrong with those communities. It’s just not what I’m interested in, and with that type of content starting to dominate and making it harder to find new communities I’m interested in I started blocking a bunch of communities again. Especially when communities like against____spam started popping up, since those spam the most content about ____.
I’m super tired of seeing all this circlejerking over sync and people acting like I’m crazy for not spending money to make an app ad free when I could just keep using my free ad free app
Yeah, I use Jerboa because it’s fine and it’s FOSS. No ads, acceptable content management, and frankly, not being really amazingly fine tuned means I don’t want to stay on it forever. I would rather send my money to my instance admin to keep the server running.
I've only had one thread conversation which really felt like a proper Reddit one (and it wasn't a political one, a TV related one).
It depends on your definition but for me it's roughly 'able to have civil conversation/debate without descending into attacks or points being dismissed because you don't like them and generally feeling like you're dealing with a 14 year old'
That said not every Reddit interaction is completely shit, it's just more likely to become that way
It’s an unattainable ideal yes. But it’s okay to lament the decline in behavior as a social web service grows. Perhaps as a reminder to everyone to try to be better.
In my experience, this has always been a problem after a forum grows beyond a certain size. It’s not really a Reddit-exclusive thing. It’s also not related to karma/reputation-tracking, IMO.
Early adopters of a small, somewhat empty community are people who want to grow the community and encourage posting. Discussion is bright and careful in certain ways because it’s usually just a few commenters interacting with each other who all want the same thing.
Once a community grows big enough to support lurkers and a variety of topics, with multifaceted discussion happening naturally, you have a familiar effect happen: you know how people are disproportionately more likely to review a product or business if they had a negative experience than a positive one? Well, in a similar way, when there’s enough content to lurk (and not be one of the early enthusiasts who post in spite of a lack of content, as a duty to help the community grow), then lurkers are more likely to come out of the woodwork and join a discussion when they see something they disagree with or feel strongly about.
Honestly, though, it has a few silver linings. I grew up learning a lot from arguments online in various places. Sometimes they are handled well and sometimes they are handled poorly by the participants. Learn from both. It’s great to see two sides of an issue, even a petty one. It can teach you a ton about how to behave well, how to actually persuade someone on a topic, and how to avoid conflict in the first place. It can also teach you about a controversial topic you knew little about, and spark your curiosity to learn more (if only to refute something with citations) and sometimes change your opinion altogether.
The healthy/toxic dichotomy starts in your own mind. You can’t control others, but you can control yourself. So find those little positive nuggets where you can.
Well said, I do hate to see discord between users, but what is a forum if everyone has one mind and there’s no discussion to be had. Civility is key to open people’s minds to your own view. And yours to theirs.
Yes, posted under a video tbag maybe a guy shouldn’t get beaten to tears fir stealing cigarettes from 7/11 and I got massdownvited while someone saying they were glad the employee broke company policy of just leaving the fucking guy alone, because they don’t want the liability and the losses are negligible.
Like he’s stealing from a big Corp tbag steals from it’s workers, WHO CARES?! I certainly wouldn’t care enough to beat a man with a board!
I agree but FYI franchises might have a brand on the front door but regular people own and operate them.
So like, idk the whole story, but in the vid, the camera man was asking the stick-weilding guy if the dudes been stealing from him for a while. 7/11 doesn’t protect/reimburse store owners for theft.
But yeah, the dude holding him down coulda just held him til cops got there. Is gross that it was so highly upvotes and celebrated.
It does feel that way a bit, but it’s important to keep pushing for a positive experience here. If any given instance becomes too toxic, we always have the option to move and de-federate. It’s nice for that to be a possibility.
Like it or hate it, reddit is a monolithic cultural icon. The things you think are “reddit” things are part of one of the most popular internet cultures of all time.
Have you not heard of Barbara Streisand? As reddit fractures, it’s culture will bleed into every corner of the web their users occupy.
You will not contain a culture with your opinions or words. Your options are:
Accept it. Bite your tongue. Downvote. Don’t engage.
Or
Be miserable.
For the love of God, stop complaining about it and trying to control it. Barbra Streisand.
Feel there’s a lot more argumentative and just kind of… angry users on here. (have you seen Sync fans biting everyone’s asses over saying money should be spent funding instances and not an app?)
Just on that particular point, part of the problem is the range of quite-to-extremely hostile comments towards the dev.
Those of us who’ve used Sync for years know (as well can be known, at least) that the guy is solid and trustworthy - and the way some people have been talking about him and his motives is both unfair and inaccurate. It’s natural that there’s going to be pushback on that sort of thing.
Which isn’t to say that the prices can’t be queried or criticised of course, I was slightly surprised myself initially (although given how much I’ve used Sync over the years for very little outlay, it doesn’t bother me as much).
But when it goes beyond questioning the prices, and moves into unfounded criticism of his character and integrity, that’s too much IMO.
Yes. Politically militant people are becoming more common. This time last month people seemed to have been much more agreeable even if they didn’t agree with you.
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