More presumed human remains recovered from submersible that imploded, killing 5, Coast Guard says

The Coast Guard has recovered remaining debris, including presumed human remains, from a submersible that imploded on its way to explore the wreck of the Titanic, killing all five onboard, deep beneath the Atlantic Ocean’s surface, officials said Tuesday.

The Coast Guard said that the recovery and transfer of remaining parts was completed last Wednesday, and a photo showed the intact aft titanium endcap of the 22-foot (6.7-meter) vessel. Additional presumed human remains were carefully recovered from within Titan’s debris and transported for analysis by U.S. medical professionals, the Coast Guard said.

The salvage mission conducted under an agreement with the U.S. Navy was a follow-up to initial recovery operations on the ocean floor roughly 1,600 feet (488 meters) away from the Titanic, the Coast Guard said.

atetulo, (edited )

But everyone told me there would be no remains.

I am also curious why we are still spending so much money on this.

droidpenguin,

Packt Like Sardines in a Crushd Tin Box

crossfadedragon,

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    brianorca,

    That would be different, knowing your fate was sealed and nothing could be done. But this submarine imploded, and the whole event took a few milliseconds. There was no time to even see the water rushing towards you, it was just going from living breathing person looking out the window, to a puddle of goo with no capacity for thought, in less time than an eye blink.

    crossfadedragon,

    That’s true. Like a nuclear detonation, I’d rather be at ground zero and vaporized instantly than further away and slowly die from radiation and other issues stemming from that.

    At least these folks are at peace.

    June,

    Yea, this is actually a great way to go. I idea before hand, having a good time doing something fun, and then lights out.

    Sterile_Technique,
    @Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

    …so what all do we do with the bits of oligarch goo once it’s recovered?

    bradorsomething,

    It forms a rich organic compound.

    Sterile_Technique,
    @Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

    Should we… eat it?

    bradorsomething,

    It might be a little too rich for your palate.

    BluJay320,
    @BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    We’ve been saying it all this time… It would be wrong not to

    Dorgel,

    We prefer the term ooze…

    Fades,

    Eat the rich?

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t know… after it’s been in the ocean this long? Too salty. I say we feed them to the pigs.

    tallwookie,

    thats sort of amazing really, I had been imagining that the crushed remains would provide sustenance to a whole new generation of bottom feeders (in the ocean).

    Tangent5280,

    Its just a few people, less than 300 kg of organic material. How much sea life could it feed?

    DickFiasco, (edited )

    Is this what is meant by “trickle-down” economics?

    stolid_agnostic,

    One thing I’ve never found: what are remains like in this situation? Chunks? Entire limbs?

    NegativeLookBehind,
    @NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social avatar

    Human based meat paste product. Goes great on crackers!

    SeaJ,

    Well it was about 400 atmospheres of pressure. The bodies would have been cooked like in a pressure cooker and then turned into a gel. Maybe some of the thicker bones did not turn into paste though.

    elucubra,

    You are a perfect example of:

    “It’s better to keep your mouth shut and appear clueless than open it and remove all doubt.”

    Natanael,

    It’s very brief though, only the outer layer is likely to have been heated notably due to rapid compression. The bones would turn to dust from the pressure

    Chetzemoka,

    I would imagine something similar to the worst of the Byford Dolphin decompression accident, which was a torso and large limbs crushed to the point of being almost unrecognizable with internal organs and some chunks of soft tissue separated from the body. Photos of that exist and you can find the relevant research paper by googling “Byford Dolphin Autopsy,” but seriously those pictures are gruesome. In the case of the Titan, because the hull was compromised, large portions of those bodies were probably lost to the sea.

    Dogyote,

    I read the report you mentioned and I don’t think this accident is a good comparison because the people in the Titan went from 1 atm to 400 atm while the victims of the Byford Dolphin accident went from 9 atm of pressure to 1 atm. Three (possibly four) of them were intact and died because all the fat in the blood suddenly precipitated, completely stopping circulation. Another guy was blasted through an opening that was much smaller than he, and was very much discombobulated as a result.

    There’s an order of magnitude difference between the incidents in pressure differentials and it was more like an instantaneous compression in the Titan than an explosive decompression like the Dolphin. So whatever happened in the Titan probably left an entirely different mess than that seen in the dolphin autopsy.

    Chetzemoka, (edited )

    something similar to the worst of the Byford Dolphin

    That’s why I qualified my statement. I think the fourth victim is probably the closest analog we have decent reference for. (No one was ever recovered from the Thresher, which also wasn’t at this same level of pressure as Titan when it imploded.)

    krayj,

    I had no idea they are still pulling up remains.

    The US has already spent millions on search and rescue (it surpassed 1.2 million even before the wreckage was found).

    Anyone else love that the ultra rich can book quarter million dollar trips on ridiculous vehicles and then still cost the taxpayers millions.

    If you are wealthy enough to book a trip into space or to the bottom of the ocean, then you need to be paying (in advance) for whatever resulting expenses might come out of that…or be required to carry the insurance that will cover it. It’s stupid that taxpayers have to pay for this and that the Coast Guard is STILL AT IT…racking up more costs.

    jws_shadotak,

    To be a little more clear about the cost:

    Pilots must fly a minimum number of hours, regardless of what is going on in the world. Adding a mission (such as search and rescue) to those flights is trivial because the man hours, fuel, and maintenance are already allocated.

    They may have added to the plans but a lot of the cost is already paid when these things start.

    solrize,

    You mean that otherwise just fly around in circles despite a supposed pilot shortage? I’m surprised.

    meco03211,

    Of there’s no legitimate reason to fly, then yes.

    krayj,

    That’s a single narrow example and does not accurately account for the taxpayer cost of doing this.

    When it’s reported that the government estimates the cost to be 1.2 million (and that estimate was as of some date back in June - source: en.as.com/…/missing-titan-submarine-how-much-does… ) I understand that to mean over and above what their daily/weekly/monthly/quarterly/yearly predictable/normal expenses are.

    brygphilomena,

    It’s part of their mission.

    Nothing in that article implies it’s over and above their normal budget. It doesn’t say either way and the Washington Post article it referenced is paywalled.

    Besides this being a large part of why we have the coast guard in the first place, this is a way for them to test their training in a real world mission and see how it works and how it doesn’t.

    shalafi,

    People don’t get this about military exercises and spending. They would already be doing those things and spending that money. Might as well use it when the opportunity arises.

    Cleverdawny,

    Also, there’s a pretty good chance that data from the imploded submarine can go towards making future submarines safer. But it’s harder to get that data without recovery

    cordlesslamp,

    It’s not a new unproven technology, there’s no “data to help future submersible”. They CAN make it safe, they’re ADVISED to make it safe, they’re PROTESTED to make it safe.

    But they CHOOSE not to because it’s cheaper.

    Everyone in-the-know knew it was bad and unsafe and will probably ended in tragedy. They speak up, they protest, and they got punished by the one in charge.

    Cleverdawny,

    Really

    You really want me to think that engineers won’t find it useful at all

    Thetimefarm,

    I mean kind of… it’s like trying to make a kamikazi plane safer. Literally everyone with a shred of knowlege knew it was going to fail and told him, he just did’t listen.

    Notorious_handholder,

    Not the guy you replied to, but… Yeah? There’s not a lot of valuable data in that wreckage to be gained. At least not any data that wasn’t already anticipated, known about, or already tested prior. Like the previous guy said, a multitude of experts said it was a bad idea. People who worked for the company and spoke up about the issues where fired.

    The entire internet mocked the situation because the man had the hubris to think he knew better than decades of scientific and engineering testing and safety of the materials being used. Many engineers even sent letters to the guy telling him to not use certain materials because they are and have been known and proven to fail at the types of pressures, temperatures, and environment he wanted to take them too.

    The only valuable data that I can even image being in that wreckage is figuring out what exactly failed first, the window that wasn’t rated for that pressure. Or the carbon nanotube hull that engineers already knew would fail since carbon nanotubes are not good at repeated exposure to stress and microfractures and breakages.

    There really isn’t that much data to be gathered here that hasn’t already been tested and proven multitudes of times before. Except maybe seeing how well the game controller held up if they can even find it

    Tangent5280,

    In some cases that’s exactly what happens. This was a known scenario and the failure was predictable.

    It would have been different if they followed all industry standards and the sub still failed - that would produce valuable data that could contribute to making our understanding of the science, as well as prevailing industry standards, better.

    In cases like this you can gather all the remains and data you want, and analyse it, but only if you want to confirm what we already know - reproducing observations and confirming hypothesis is an important part of science, but everything costs money, and at some point you need to triage the studies you want to put money into.

    Natanael, (edited )

    They can still learn something from the materials by looking at how it failed (mostly because the frequency of tests of larger objects at these pressures is limited), but there’s not likely going to be anything surprising, just another data point to help calibrate some material science formulas

    Not_Alec_Baldwin,

    Everyone knows exactly how it failed.

    They used GLUE to stick carbon fiber to titanium.

    All three of those components behave very different under pressure.

    Every engineer warned them against the use of carbon fiber and the bonehead CEO insisted because he liked it.

    It’s literally an ego trip that got 5 people killed.

    Natanael,

    Obviously it would fail, yes, but where the failure started and how it propagated can still be interesting. There’s a reason new car models get crash tested, you still want to double check the simulation results. Submarines don’t usually get crush tested because they’re built with huge safety margins instead, bigger margins than you can put in cars

    Not_Alec_Baldwin,

    What are you even talking about?

    There is no technically beneficial reason to using carbon fiber in a submarine hull. It won’t happen again, and it shouldn’t have happened in the first place.

    It’s like making a car out of Swiss cheese, it’s just pointless.

    The data is not important.

    Natanael,

    Do you think the only place it would be useful is for other submarines? It’s still materials science. Any place those same materials are used could in theory benefit (again, probably not anything notable, but data on how it behaves in extreme circumstances can be useful anyway)

    AdrianTheFrog,
    @AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world avatar

    It sounded to me like it was more of arrogance (‘I know better than everybody else’) than cost cutting. Although the part about not getting the design certified was probably for cost cutting and time saving reasons.

    Son_of_dad,

    Why are they spending more money on this? The remains are just as hard to reach as the bodies on a mountain, and we know what happened.

    brygphilomena,

    Training. Putting their training against a real world experience and seeing where it holds up and where it doesn’t.

    Because they have to do something. It’s not like they just sit there with their dicks in their hands all day.

    Sterile_Technique,
    @Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s not like they just sit there with their dicks in their hands all day.

    The U.S. Navy?? You didn’t think we call them seamen cuz of the water, did you?

    lightnsfw,

    I would rather we pay them to sit around with their dicks in their hands than to look for thos stupid submarine.

    Barack_Embalmer,

    Subscribe to their Only Turbofans

    atetulo,

    It’s not like they just sit there with their dicks in their hands all day.

    I mean, if there’s not a job to be done then what are we paying them for? They can find some other way to be useful to society in the interim.

    Why are we giving them bullshit tasks just so they can be occupied and take up resources?

    afraid_of_zombies,

    How many of years of my teens with teeth that hurt and we are spending money on this.

    kobra,

    We have enough wealth in America to afford both, just need the voters to make it happen.

    robocall,

    I’m not trying to be insensitive, but I thought the bodies turned to goo. And I assumed that included the bones.

    Steveanonymous,
    @Steveanonymous@lemmy.world avatar

    I remember that being said as well

    TheColonel,

    I’m guessing “presumed human remains” means something close to “goo plus bones, we think”.

    Natanael,

    The bones would be dust after that shockwave

    TheColonel,

    Just goo, then.

    meldroc, (edited )

    I’m guessing a few bits of flesh/goo got wedged in little nooks and crannies in the wreckage. Not very much…

    Tangent5280,

    Yeah this is what I thought too. Hard to imagine that whatever paste is left would be able to hold a shape or stay together if it’s free floating.

    BluJay320,
    @BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Given that it’s “presumed” human remains, and needs testing by medical professionals… It sounds like what they found is said goo

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