m750,

Primary her.

Grant_M,
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

Nancy Pelosi is awesome. Best politician on the planet and the fascist GOP are terrified of her.

Grant_M,
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

Trump is only 5 years younger, convicted of rape, facing 91 criminal felony charges and is running for re-election.

kerrypacker,

Instead of being anti red or anti blue how about you be anti fuckwit?

aidan,

Trump was not convicted of rape.

Grant_M,
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

Yes indeed he was. He was found to be GUILTY of raping E Jean Carroll

aidan,

No, he was not. You are spreading misinformation. He was found to liable for rape. A conviction is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, liable is more likely than not guilty. This is not pedantic, this is the difference between decades in jail and not.

Grant_M,
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

He raped E Jean Carroll – period. You can worship rapist trump all you like. Go ahead.

aidan,

That’s not what you said. You said he was convicted of rape, that’s not true. If you take pointing out a factual inaccuracy as worshipping Trump you’re just as much a tribalist as those on Jan. 6

Ganbat,
@Ganbat@lemmy.fmhy.net avatar

Technically right because it was a civil case rather than a criminal case. He was found liable for sexually abusing and defaming E. Jean Carroll.

Fades,

Fuck this horrible bitch. She fucking enriches herself via a marriage of her position and decision making with the stock market.

Fucking disgusting, no fucking politician that votes on policy should be allowed to trade stocks.

GET THE FUCK OUT AND STAY OUT YOU GERIATRIC FUCKING CORRUPT TRAITOR

Grant_M,
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

Settle down, trumper.

HerrLewakaas,

Nothing to do with Trumper, he’s right. Just like Trump should go to prison along with anyone who helped him on Jan 6

Grant_M,
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

You agree with this crap that person posted? --> (GET THE FUCK OUT AND STAY OUT YOU GERIATRIC FUCKING CORRUPT TRAITOR) NO. He/she/they are NOT right.

time_lord,

You can dislike Nancy Pelosi and not be a Trumper. They are not mutually exclusive.

Grant_M,
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

Sure. But the statement made by the user I was responding to was pure trumper BS.

Snowpix,
@Snowpix@lemmy.ca avatar

I don’t see how what they said has anything to do with supporting Trump, Pelosi is corrupt and too old. You should focus your anger on actual Trump cultists.

Grant_M,
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

They accused her of being a traitor. Read the all caps portion of the trumpist rant.

Fraylor,

She might not necessarily be a traitor in the traditional sense of the word, but she did betray the American people when she began to enrich herself using her position and choose blustering instead of doing her job.

Grant_M,
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

Bullshit.

Fraylor,

Okay, well hopefully you’re paid well for spit shining those boots.

CeruleanRuin,

If you think this hasn’t been the norm among politicians for two hundred years, I have a skyscraper in Iowa to sell you.

Pelosi is only a favorite target for the rightful ire about it because of her prominence and her gender. That justified anger could and should be directed at any of a dozen others who are even worse.

Fraylor,

Yeah your whataboutism is pointless. The crypt keeper makes plenty enough money to pay for real white knights if she wanted, no need for an online defense force.

CeruleanRuin,

Lol, I’m not about to defend Pelosi, just wanted to point out the agenda inherent in those who jump to villifying her before others who are worse.

Fraylor,

Yeah I’m aware of what you were doing. Its called whataboutism. It’s a stupid argument. Try coming up with a better one rather than defending your poorly thought out one.

30mag,

Do you think she should run for re-election?

Grant_M,
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

It’s up to her and her constituents. But she IS NOT a traitor.

30mag,

she IS NOT a traitor.

I don’t believe that she has committed treason, if that is what you mean by traitor.

Ganbat,
@Ganbat@lemmy.fmhy.net avatar

Traitor: one who betrays another’s trust or is false to an obligation or duty

This is Merriam-Webster’s first definition of Traitor. Under this definition, she fits.

academician,

Yeah. I hate Nancy Pelosi. I hate Trump MORE, but I hate him more than just about anyone. Pelosi is still a garbage person.

CeruleanRuin,

Okay, but “traitor”? Let’s not devalue the word by throwing it around at everyone who engages in systemic graft.

Kit,

I’m a lifelong dem and I generally agree with the sentiment, minis the name-calling on his part. Her shady stock market trades are problematic at best, and we need young blood in the game. I’m hoping for a strong contender against her and I think many folks feel the same.

radau,

You’re what’s wrong with politics these days. You don’t have to be fully locked in to one side you know?

Grant_M,
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

f*ck trumpism

Widowmaker_Best_Girl,

Can we not be ruled by geriatrics anymore?

WolfhoundRO,

Geriatocracy

verdantbanana,

another canidate question what has your past politics done for me locally? even nationally? if the answer is unsure or maybe some tv propaganda answer that was fed to you then why do they deserve votes

GiddyGap,

You don’t think Pelosi has done anything to advance the Democratic agenda? I don’t live in her district, so I’m not sure about locally, but I do think she’s been highly influential nationally, and I personally think she has done a good job.

That being said, her district is safe Democratic even if she doesn’t run. She should retire, enjoy the rest of her life with her family and leave feeling good about her accomplishments. It’s someone else’s job to carry on the work.

Gargantu8,

She’s the reason democrats won the 2018 midterms for starters.

afraid_of_zombies,

That was half a decade ago.

TurboDiesel,
@TurboDiesel@lemmy.world avatar

Nice disingenuous framing there. That’s 2 elections. Pelosi needs to go but saying shit like that doesn’t help anyone.

afraid_of_zombies,

Would you perfer I pointed instead to it being about 1,825 days ago?

TurboDiesel, (edited )
@TurboDiesel@lemmy.world avatar

Why? A congressional term is 2 years. A Senate term is 6 years. Saying “it was x years/days/weeks ago” is totally unhelpful to the larger conversation. It’s reductive for no reason. And I think we both know you chose “hAlF a DeCaDe” for gravitas.

Now, if you had said something like “Pelosi hasn’t sponsored any major legislation since x”, sure. Let’s talk. Honestly, fact is she’s a fundraising dynamo. I fucking hate it, but that’s the framework we’re working in. She brings in money and is thus valuable to the DNC. In an ideal world she’d be replaced with a progressive who isn’t an octogenarian. But that’s clearly not where we are yet.

Gargantu8,

Correct.

Grant_M,
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

Absolutely

ZenkorSoraz,

She also helped pass loads of legislation in Obama and Biden’s first term.

IHaveTwoCows,

No she isnt.

Gargantu8,

I don’t even like her but I’m willing to admit the fact lol

IHaveTwoCows,

Except it isnt a fact. Trump led to those wins. That’s because some of us know a Nazi when we see one.

Gargantu8,

Agree to disagree. Her strategy for the house was fantastic, focusing on popular ideas like health care and avoiding dangerous losing topics like others in the party wanted. She’s great at being an election whip.

IHaveTwoCows,

And what hapoened to campaign finance and lobbyist reform? I dont know anyone in either party who thinks we shouldn’t “get money out of politics!!

Gargantu8,

Whataboutism. How many campaigns have you volunteered for? Go do that instead of argue anonymously online.

IHaveTwoCows,

That isn’t “whataboutism”, you potato. I am pointing out Pelosi’s blatant hypocrisy and need to suck off that sweet sweet lobbyist grift and insider trading wins.

The investing app tracking Pelosi trades - “every trade … inevitably … a winner” www.forexlive.com/news/!/…/amp/

Gargantu8,

I literally campaign for the most progressive people possible. Go do that instead of wasting your time doing this. I wouldn’t ever campaign for pelosi in a primary if it makes you feel better.

IHaveTwoCows,

I have a blind person to take care of and do not have that freedom. Since she has lost her sight and cannot work, she will lose her insurance soon. Thankfully we have to deal with multiple for-profit third parties who couldn’t care less whether she lives or dies in trying to keep her under some sort of umbrella because none of the taxes she paid all her life went towards health care.

Gargantu8,

Deepest sympathies to you. That is so awful. I battled cancer/lymphoma during the pandemic and was able to get my incredibly expensive healthcare paid for in (nearly) full due to MinnesotaCare and I will do my part to get that for everyone in the US. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and sharing your experience. If you ever need someone to talk to, please dm me.

IHaveTwoCows,

Thank you. And I am haopy things worked out for you after that battle

Fades,

Well we sure know she used her position to advance her wallet

But yeah go off, defend this geriatric corrupt traitor. She’s not fucking special she’s a literal enemy of the people due to said corruption

GiddyGap,

Keeping it classy, I see.

30mag,

I do think she’s been highly influential nationally

That’s correct. She opposed impeaching Bush 43.

verdantbanana,

maybe US voters who should take more than colors and letters into consideration such as job resume over the years, what are they financially invested in, past examples of experience, et cetera

verdantbanana,

American Dissident and unable to vote here WHY THE F##K DO Y’ALL PEOPLE KEEP VOTING THESE F# BACK IN ? IS IT TO HAVE SOMETHING TO B###H ABOUT LATER ONLINE? talking to y’all will definitly vote biden this fall because his name does not start with T sounds like Pakleds voting

DoucheBagMcSwag,

Someone fucking primary her ass

KillAllPoorPeople,

Her district is jam packed full of the most elite liberals in the country. They love her. She’s one of them. Realistically, the only one who’d replace her would be a carbon copy of her.

ChaoticEntropy,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

“Liberals” meaning fiscally conservative establishment donors whose social views are centrist or indifferent at best.

KillAllPoorPeople,

Yes, liberals. They’re all cut from the same cloth. Right-wingers who’ll wear a pride shirt in June.

reagansrottencorpse,

Careful now, the libs will start calling you a tankie ! 😂

IHaveTwoCows,

In another forum I took a HUGE beating for calling her elitist. It is really sad

Snapz,

No.

Boomers, agnostic of any party affiliation, have brain worms.

SeaJ,

She is the generation before boomers: the silent generation.

RobertOwnageJunior,

Not better.

jcit878,

they are.

doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be doing anything other than enjoying their remaining years not running countries

stevedidWHAT,
@stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world avatar

Hi, dem here. WE DONT WANT FUCKING ELDRITCH GODS REPRESENTING US anymore. Term limits. Term limits. Term limits.

ZeroCool,
@ZeroCool@feddit.ch avatar

Term limits and age limits.

stevedidWHAT,
@stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world avatar

The age thing I’m less interested in, but competency tests and health checks probably more so. Think they’d do the same thing but more precisely (some people shit out in their 70s, some people stay sharp until they’re 100)

Cethin,

Some people shouldn’t be eligible in their 30s. I don’t know how we decide it though is the issue, and I don’t trust that some conservative won’t gain power and say “anyone who thinks corporations shouldn’t be regulated is mentally ill” won’t gain power.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

The age limit thing is definitely a tradeoff. We would lose people like Pelosi and Trump (and Biden), but we’d also lose Bernie Sanders.

STRIKINGdebate2,
@STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world avatar

Good. There’s tons of younger people who stand for the same things that Bernie stood for.

stevedidWHAT,
@stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world avatar

Anyone you’d like to shout out specifically, nows the perfect op

pqdinfo,

This is probably an unpopular view, but when you look at actual actions in Congress, I’ve barely seen Bernie do anything effective, but I have seen The Squad work fairly effectively to (1) push the agenda in a positive direction (sometimes, usually maybe, they fail, but they do have successes) and (2) hold the right to account (AOC’s questions during the Michael Cohen was a masterclass in using power effectively rather than grandstanding, which is what her colleagues were doing for the most part)

Bernie is obviously in the other place and doesn’t have the same opportunities, but where he has similar opportunities he rarely seems to use them. He’s a good orator, but he doesn’t have to be in Congress to do that. Losing Bernie would be a shame, but losing The Squad would be a disaster.

K1nsey6,
@K1nsey6@lemmy.world avatar

The Squad only exists in social media, in reality and practice they are run of the mill neolibs

OldQWERTYbastard,

And probably a lot less delusional.

rbhfd,

But can you trust that they will remain sharp for 4 years (or whatever the term of the position they’re running for)?

stevedidWHAT,
@stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world avatar

This is the key to term limits right here imo

Leperhero,

Wonder how her husbands portfolio has been doing since she left.

Any significant gains? Does he really have that midas touch without her fortunate position.

theslackernews,

I think it got hammered lately. Too soon?

Thetimefarm,

Lol the hammer attack would have been a great exit strategy. Oh well would you look at that, ever since my husband got his head beat in with a hammer he just can’t seem to pick stocks as well.

catsarebadpeople,

Stocks aren’t going to inside trade themselves! Get out of the way you old cunt. Hopefully someone primaries her and the people in SF vote her out. Still worse to have a Republican in the seat but jfc this is infuriating.

AbackDeckWARLORD,

There should be age limits in politics. Such as retirement age minus minimum voting age. It would be 67-18 in the US. Make it so you can’t run again after you exceeded the limit.

generalterrestrial,

Didn’t Ruth teach these geriatric roadblocks anything?!?

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