That would blow up in their face at this point. None of them want a challenge to section 1983 now that we know the full text of the law. It would strip them if qualified immunity.
Is being a law enforcement officer a protected class?
Saying something like “I refuse to serve you in the basis of your race” is illegal because race is a protected class. Whereas “I refuse to serve you because your Lemmy hit-takes are dumb” is perfectly legal! Same as refusing to serve armed thugs masquerading as the good guys.
Of course it’s not a protected class. I was responding to the op who said anyone should be able to be turned away, no questions asked. The whole reason we have protected classes is to prevent that sort of broad stroke.
I just had a situation with this at work that I talked to my wife about. A customer wanted us to do something with an image that had full frontal nudity and my bosses had to have a discussion about whether or not to allow it. My wife said, “aren’t they required to?” I pointed out that if that was true, we wouldn’t be able to refuse Neo-Nazis.
…Yeah, do you realize how bad taste it is to compare not letting cops in to Jim Crow discrimination against Black folks? Y’know, the people cops kill a lot?
I see what you’re trying to do, but…can you please not.
Dude said legalize “no questions asked discrimination” and you referenced a very well known example of discrimination in recent history. Seemed like a logical response to me.
Yeah, but the issue is using that particular example in a post talking about police.
Also, as a Black American, it’s really tiring when we and discrimination against us get pulled out to use as examples. Like, just keep us out of it some times.
I don’t know what you’re not getting. Your post was about police specifically. The top comment of this chain days for any reason whatsoever, which could include, but is not limited to, race. The post isn’t wrong, the top level comment here is because some people would use the liberty of blocking anyone they want to ban people of color, which has happened in the past hence the example.
You’re telling me that if the conversation starts with cops, you agree with someone saying “they should be able to turn anyone away, no questions asked.”?
Dude didn’t say discriminating against cops is the same as discriminating against black people.
Everyone is misunderstanding your post. Add the words “your suggested policy could lead back to” before the sign you were referencing. I only finally got that context by reading the entire thread just now
Used to work contract security. my client was next to a MLB ball field- their parking lot literally was next to the service entrance, so the various staff that weren’t special (concessions, security, etc,) would park there. A lot of their ball game security are moonlighting cops or retired cops… they liked to tail gate after the game… but the city would revoke the license for running a parking lot if we allowed alcohol.
Getting drunken cops to leave your property when the other cops tried to be like “what’s the harm,” etc is no good.
it’s really not that simple. First, if you keep nuisance complaints, they’ll fine you (or in my case, fine my clients. which would have me fired.)
secondly, you annoy the cops enough, they’ll freeze you out regardless of what their policies/rules say, and as a security guard, you’re reliant on them to come save you if you ever have an active shooter or, more likely, just an aggressive asshole who doesn’t like being told they can’t do whatever it is they’re trying to do.
you’re reliant on them to come save you if you ever have an active shooter
This is not a good plan, you need to be responsible for your own safety because you can’t count on the imaginary good guy cops to save you from anything. It may be 30 minutes before they show up, or they may not even show up at all.
That really is a tough one. The only chance you have is to escalate and demand the duty sergeant come down and deal with the problem of his unruly officers or make an extremely public complaint to the media and mayor that will force a response.
Or find a parking/fire violation that the fire department would care about. I’ve seen them put cops in there place a few times. Even pushed a cruiser down the street in Boston when it was double parked in there way.
I wish I’d had a camera phone back then, I’m pretty sure they don’t report those kind of things into logs that end up in the paper.
Fun story time… a couple of friends of mine were walking home after a night of drinking and some cops pull over and get out and say, “two white men in dark clothes just robbed the gas station down the road and you fit that description.” One friend said, “you’re two white men in dark clothes so you fit that description too. I’m going to have to make a citizen’s arrest.” My other friend said the cuffs got put on them at light speed. They got charged with public intoxication. We don’t know if the two white men in dark clothes were ever caught.
Sadly, he passed away. And only in his 20s. And yes, we lost a great comic mind. I say this as someone who has been paid to do stand-up and write comedy: he was far funnier than I will ever be. I still miss him 20 years later.
I’m sorry too, but that’s life. And the older you get, the more friends you lose along the way. I’m just glad we were friends for the time he was alive.
odds on there being an 'incident' at that location in the near future, and the cops responding stop at dunkin' for coffee and a donut while on the way there....?
Shit coffee, too. And I say this as someone from the northeast and currently living somewhere are nine Dunks within a one mile radius of my current location.
The coffee is better than Starbucks, but that’s not saying much. Starbucks is only considered good because they add so much sugar and shit you can’t taste the coffee.
Really? I’ve had a Starbucks Americano and it was fine. Although that’s espresso, not drip coffee. Drip coffee in general is just swill. Especially when it’s some “breakfast blend” bullshit. I’ve never had a blend that’s good, but most single-origin coffees are fine.
The beans at Starbucks are over-roasted to maintain a consistent flavor across all locations. It doesn’t really matter what you get. Espresso might be slightly better, but it’ll always be over-roasted.
businesses often give police discount to be in best terms in case they are needed, i know it shouldn’t be that way, but still you wouldn’t want to do the opposite
This policy doesn’t seem weird to me at all, but I’m Canadian. I’ve seen establishments that don’t allow weapons on site. So except in emergency situations, police officers need to secure their weapon before they enter the store (I think they put them in the gun locker in the trunk of their car?).
something something gay wedding cake. Last I checked LEO isn't a protected class. And they aren't even denying LEO, just those that come in on-duty and are armed. So yeah, get fucked pigs.
In history. The US cops commit more murder, theft, rape, and assault than any other organization in history. They don’t even have Qualified Immunity, according to the full text of section 1983, but that’s not what was given to SCOTUS in 1982 when they heard Harlow V Fitzgerald.
It’s not prejudice when literally all the evidence supports it. Maybe you’d be process that evidence more clearly without that pig cock cutting off your oxygen supply.
Yes, but they are intelligent, useful to society, and quite friendly with a tiny amount of socialization. None of that is true for the average cop. Remember, they HATE being called a Citizen On Patrol.
In an overwhelming number of situations, yes. Cops are intended to prioritize property over people and convictions over justice. Those who speak out about injustices face retribution from their peers and little defense from their union. Police unions act as criminal legal defense to eschew responsibility.
There have even been legal cases of departments refusing to hire people because they were “too smart”. This is largely speculated to be due to fear of those who are more intelligent speaking out, and having a moral compass of their own rather than blindly following.
Yep. I’m one of them. I applied to the cybercrimes division of the Lexington, KY PD in my naive youth and got an official letter saying they refused to hire me because they were worried that I would “get bored and pursue other employment.” Asked a couple of my lawyer friends and they all agreed that was code for “we’re afraid that you’ll notice all the shit we do, and try to prosecute us” aka, “you’re too smart.”
Lol! "Bigoted and discriminatory"! As if they were born a cop, had no choice to be anything other that a cop, and could never be without a uniform or a weapon. Fuck 'em.
My partner was a charge nurse on a psych ward for 16 years. Many of her interactions with police were as follows:
POLICE: buzzes the desk
My Parnter: Yes?
P: This is officer so-and-so with the so-and-so police department. We have a warrant for the arrest of a patient on your ward. Let us in.
MP: Okay, but this is a secure ward and firearms are not allowed. Surrender your weapons at the security office and I'll grant you access to make your arrest when you return.
P: I'M NOT SURRENDERING MY WEAPON!
MP: Well, then can't enter this ward. end of conversation
What happened to those supreme court rulings they were so in favor of, that allowed poor little christians to blatantly discriminate against people they don’t like
That sounds delicious to be able to tell them that. I got fired from a retail job I worked for five years for telling customers about the sign on the door that asks them not to carry. Got unemployment so at least the state knew it was bullshit.
They didn’t actually win. It had the some procedural non-decision that the Colorado bakery case had (i.e. the regulator failed to be sufficiently neutral). They got fined again and that is being appealed. …wikipedia.org/…/Klein_v.
They’ll keep appealing it down to nothing. It’s back in Oregon now, give it a few months. What a waste of tax payer millions. Just make the fucking cake.
Fuck you anti-cop assholes. Get robbed, get mugged, get in an accident, lose your kid, need some help, and see what song you’re singing then.
Most of them are good people doing good, noble work, and I’m not going to apologize for saying that and standing up for the profession. Screw y’all for painting them all as bad, just because some indeed are.
Judge people individually instead of painting them as all the same. That’s the same mindset as a racist.
Any good cop left on the force knows all about this shit, calling into question how ‘good’ they are.
The police say the same thing about everyone who isn’t them. “Fuck 'em”. And that’s exactly how I feel whenever I hear anything bad happening to them.
They’re all guilty. Shutter the doors, fire them all and hire from a different psych profile, barring the current one, forevermore.
I am in the most dangerous for my life when I am in the presence of a cop, plain and simple, no context needed. These are stats. Facts not feelings. Since 2000 the police have stolen more from the public thru civil asset forfeiture than all other crime combined.
All cops are bad. All. Complicity is condoning. Criminals have invaded and took over the civic institution. Acknowledgement of this isn’t a call for social anarchy. Acknowledgement of this is recognizing that anarchy is already here. The law applied unequally deserves no respect. Those on the top know they’ll never see a cell. Those on the bottom know they will no matter their innocence, and that’s a best case scenario. No respect is warrented. The lack of respect is entirely earned.
Ban them from public positions and office. Seize their pensions to pay a pittance towards restitution. They broke the public trust, I am not responsible for their public disdain. No one ever wrote a song called ‘Fuck the firefighters’. Fuck 'em.
Not too mention that cops in the US got their start as the militant wing of the capitalist class, enforcing property rights for rich slave owners. ACAB. If they weren’t, they’d have chosen a different profession.
Not just thievery. They commit more rape, murder, and assault than anyone else as well, the statistics are self reported so what we know about is only the tip of the iceberg
Fuck you anti-cop assholes. Get robbed, get mugged, get in an accident, lose your kid, need some help, and see what song you’re singing then.
I come from a cop family, and I hate this argument. Of course people are going to call the police when shit happens. That is literally the only option available to reasonable and lawful people. Doesn’t mean police haven’t actively damaged their reputation with decades of abuse and corruption, and force the decent cops out if they try and buck the trend.
Police in general have some major issues right now, and first among them is outright denial there are any issues at all. Just look at 2020 where the first protests were met with immediate escalation and violence (it was like day 1 we had videos of cops shoving elderly people to the ground. They cracked that one guy’s head open). Tone-deaf and completely dismissive of concerns raised by their own communities. Nothing has improved since then, in fact the police seem to have deepened that ’ us v. them’ mentality.
I’m not saying I agree with banning armed police, but I can agree that this type of stuff is where we’re headed with the route police and their most ardent supporters are taking. Policing took a bad turn back when cops starting calling non-police ‘civilians’, as if police were a military branch. “Community policing” is dead, and it’s no surprise the reputation went with it.
If you leave a rotten apple in a bunch of apples, you end up with a bunch of rotten apples. A good cop would stand up and call for reform. They don’t last long. The bad apples have already spoiled the bunch.
I have been robbed a few times, mugged twice and have been involved in a hit and run. In none of those situations have the cops ever done ANYTHING to help, legitimately not a single thing. They come take a statement, look around for 30 seconds then fuck off never to be seen again.
But when I spent a few months homeless they were great at harassing me and threatening me for daring to try and find a safe place to sleep.
Fuck cops, and fuck mindless boot lickers like you.
At least they showed up for you. I had my car broken into and was robbed, called the police to file a report and they straight up asked me “so like what do you want us to do about it?”. No one ever showed up to check it out or even asked if I had any security camera footage. They took my report and that was the end of it.
Cops don’t stop crime they just show up afterwards. What planet do you live on dude, get a clue. Maybe your bfuck little town only has cops who you’re buddy buddy with but open your eyes and look at all the police abuse videos. That’s what you’re supporting when u support the police. You’re saying that stays quo is ok. That makes you a shitty person by definition.
Well, I'm singing the "please fill out this form for my insurance company" song if I get robbed, mugged, in an accident. In the case of the missing kid, it depends. Sometimes they'll mobilize if the family's a "good family" as far as they know, but a lot of times they'll just tell you the kid ran away and not look. So I might be very well singing the "please do a video on this" song to the true crime community on youtube.
There was a story recently about a 13 year old girl in Mississippi who was forced to give birth because of their anti-abortion laws. She had been raped at 12 by a stranger while playing outside in her yard. The cops did absolutely nothing about the case until Time Magazine called them about the story they were doing on the girl.
If cops won’t even look for someone raping children in broad daylight, what are they even for?
Get robbed, get mugged, get in an accident, lose your kid, need some help, and see what song you’re singing then.
The song where there is no one else we can call in those situations, in some cases are legally required to call in those situations, and where their job isn't "do those things for people who like cops" it's "do those things."
The song where I will weigh the likely harm that will come from the arrival of police against what I think I need their help with.
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