Is being a law enforcement officer a protected class?
Saying something like “I refuse to serve you in the basis of your race” is illegal because race is a protected class. Whereas “I refuse to serve you because your Lemmy hit-takes are dumb” is perfectly legal! Same as refusing to serve armed thugs masquerading as the good guys.
Of course it’s not a protected class. I was responding to the op who said anyone should be able to be turned away, no questions asked. The whole reason we have protected classes is to prevent that sort of broad stroke.
I just had a situation with this at work that I talked to my wife about. A customer wanted us to do something with an image that had full frontal nudity and my bosses had to have a discussion about whether or not to allow it. My wife said, “aren’t they required to?” I pointed out that if that was true, we wouldn’t be able to refuse Neo-Nazis.
…Yeah, do you realize how bad taste it is to compare not letting cops in to Jim Crow discrimination against Black folks? Y’know, the people cops kill a lot?
I see what you’re trying to do, but…can you please not.
Dude said legalize “no questions asked discrimination” and you referenced a very well known example of discrimination in recent history. Seemed like a logical response to me.
Yeah, but the issue is using that particular example in a post talking about police.
Also, as a Black American, it’s really tiring when we and discrimination against us get pulled out to use as examples. Like, just keep us out of it some times.
I don’t know what you’re not getting. Your post was about police specifically. The top comment of this chain days for any reason whatsoever, which could include, but is not limited to, race. The post isn’t wrong, the top level comment here is because some people would use the liberty of blocking anyone they want to ban people of color, which has happened in the past hence the example.
You’re telling me that if the conversation starts with cops, you agree with someone saying “they should be able to turn anyone away, no questions asked.”?
Dude didn’t say discriminating against cops is the same as discriminating against black people.
Everyone is misunderstanding your post. Add the words “your suggested policy could lead back to” before the sign you were referencing. I only finally got that context by reading the entire thread just now
If its legal for someone to hypothetically not create a wedding announcement website for gay people because she doesn’t want to serve those kinds of people, then there should be nothing wrong with not wanting to serve armed cops.
One is outright discrimination based on sexual orientation. The other is simply a policy applied to all patrons.
It should absolutely be legal to say ‘no shoes no service’ or ‘has gun no service’ even if it was not legal to discriminate based on sexual orientation/race/gender/etc. They aren’t at all the same thing.
unless you have a bouncer with a wand and proper pat down experience. the patrons will just conceal and not tell you. plenty of places say no guns. but a sign is nothing more than that.
Not in San Fran they wont. They let criminals run rampant but wont let anyone without Trump money get through the concealed carry permit process. Bruen should have fixed that but who knows if Cali will actually listen with Newsom putting that constitutional amendment to neuter the 2nd amendment out there.
SF has an extremely lot violent crime rate, so what exactly do folks need guns like that for? The “high crime rate” is property crime, like theft. Unless folks want to be out here shooting people for smash and grabs.
Fuck you anti-cop assholes. Get robbed, get mugged, get in an accident, lose your kid, need some help, and see what song you’re singing then.
Most of them are good people doing good, noble work, and I’m not going to apologize for saying that and standing up for the profession. Screw y’all for painting them all as bad, just because some indeed are.
Judge people individually instead of painting them as all the same. That’s the same mindset as a racist.
Any good cop left on the force knows all about this shit, calling into question how ‘good’ they are.
The police say the same thing about everyone who isn’t them. “Fuck 'em”. And that’s exactly how I feel whenever I hear anything bad happening to them.
They’re all guilty. Shutter the doors, fire them all and hire from a different psych profile, barring the current one, forevermore.
I am in the most dangerous for my life when I am in the presence of a cop, plain and simple, no context needed. These are stats. Facts not feelings. Since 2000 the police have stolen more from the public thru civil asset forfeiture than all other crime combined.
All cops are bad. All. Complicity is condoning. Criminals have invaded and took over the civic institution. Acknowledgement of this isn’t a call for social anarchy. Acknowledgement of this is recognizing that anarchy is already here. The law applied unequally deserves no respect. Those on the top know they’ll never see a cell. Those on the bottom know they will no matter their innocence, and that’s a best case scenario. No respect is warrented. The lack of respect is entirely earned.
Ban them from public positions and office. Seize their pensions to pay a pittance towards restitution. They broke the public trust, I am not responsible for their public disdain. No one ever wrote a song called ‘Fuck the firefighters’. Fuck 'em.
Not too mention that cops in the US got their start as the militant wing of the capitalist class, enforcing property rights for rich slave owners. ACAB. If they weren’t, they’d have chosen a different profession.
Not just thievery. They commit more rape, murder, and assault than anyone else as well, the statistics are self reported so what we know about is only the tip of the iceberg
Fuck you anti-cop assholes. Get robbed, get mugged, get in an accident, lose your kid, need some help, and see what song you’re singing then.
I come from a cop family, and I hate this argument. Of course people are going to call the police when shit happens. That is literally the only option available to reasonable and lawful people. Doesn’t mean police haven’t actively damaged their reputation with decades of abuse and corruption, and force the decent cops out if they try and buck the trend.
Police in general have some major issues right now, and first among them is outright denial there are any issues at all. Just look at 2020 where the first protests were met with immediate escalation and violence (it was like day 1 we had videos of cops shoving elderly people to the ground. They cracked that one guy’s head open). Tone-deaf and completely dismissive of concerns raised by their own communities. Nothing has improved since then, in fact the police seem to have deepened that ’ us v. them’ mentality.
I’m not saying I agree with banning armed police, but I can agree that this type of stuff is where we’re headed with the route police and their most ardent supporters are taking. Policing took a bad turn back when cops starting calling non-police ‘civilians’, as if police were a military branch. “Community policing” is dead, and it’s no surprise the reputation went with it.
If you leave a rotten apple in a bunch of apples, you end up with a bunch of rotten apples. A good cop would stand up and call for reform. They don’t last long. The bad apples have already spoiled the bunch.
I have been robbed a few times, mugged twice and have been involved in a hit and run. In none of those situations have the cops ever done ANYTHING to help, legitimately not a single thing. They come take a statement, look around for 30 seconds then fuck off never to be seen again.
But when I spent a few months homeless they were great at harassing me and threatening me for daring to try and find a safe place to sleep.
Fuck cops, and fuck mindless boot lickers like you.
At least they showed up for you. I had my car broken into and was robbed, called the police to file a report and they straight up asked me “so like what do you want us to do about it?”. No one ever showed up to check it out or even asked if I had any security camera footage. They took my report and that was the end of it.
Cops don’t stop crime they just show up afterwards. What planet do you live on dude, get a clue. Maybe your bfuck little town only has cops who you’re buddy buddy with but open your eyes and look at all the police abuse videos. That’s what you’re supporting when u support the police. You’re saying that stays quo is ok. That makes you a shitty person by definition.
Well, I'm singing the "please fill out this form for my insurance company" song if I get robbed, mugged, in an accident. In the case of the missing kid, it depends. Sometimes they'll mobilize if the family's a "good family" as far as they know, but a lot of times they'll just tell you the kid ran away and not look. So I might be very well singing the "please do a video on this" song to the true crime community on youtube.
There was a story recently about a 13 year old girl in Mississippi who was forced to give birth because of their anti-abortion laws. She had been raped at 12 by a stranger while playing outside in her yard. The cops did absolutely nothing about the case until Time Magazine called them about the story they were doing on the girl.
If cops won’t even look for someone raping children in broad daylight, what are they even for?
Get robbed, get mugged, get in an accident, lose your kid, need some help, and see what song you’re singing then.
The song where there is no one else we can call in those situations, in some cases are legally required to call in those situations, and where their job isn't "do those things for people who like cops" it's "do those things."
The song where I will weigh the likely harm that will come from the arrival of police against what I think I need their help with.
something something gay wedding cake. Last I checked LEO isn't a protected class. And they aren't even denying LEO, just those that come in on-duty and are armed. So yeah, get fucked pigs.
In history. The US cops commit more murder, theft, rape, and assault than any other organization in history. They don’t even have Qualified Immunity, according to the full text of section 1983, but that’s not what was given to SCOTUS in 1982 when they heard Harlow V Fitzgerald.
It’s not prejudice when literally all the evidence supports it. Maybe you’d be process that evidence more clearly without that pig cock cutting off your oxygen supply.
Yes, but they are intelligent, useful to society, and quite friendly with a tiny amount of socialization. None of that is true for the average cop. Remember, they HATE being called a Citizen On Patrol.
In an overwhelming number of situations, yes. Cops are intended to prioritize property over people and convictions over justice. Those who speak out about injustices face retribution from their peers and little defense from their union. Police unions act as criminal legal defense to eschew responsibility.
There have even been legal cases of departments refusing to hire people because they were “too smart”. This is largely speculated to be due to fear of those who are more intelligent speaking out, and having a moral compass of their own rather than blindly following.
Yep. I’m one of them. I applied to the cybercrimes division of the Lexington, KY PD in my naive youth and got an official letter saying they refused to hire me because they were worried that I would “get bored and pursue other employment.” Asked a couple of my lawyer friends and they all agreed that was code for “we’re afraid that you’ll notice all the shit we do, and try to prosecute us” aka, “you’re too smart.”
Can we stop posting articles from The Independent. Its literally owned my a Russian media mogul with ties to Boris Johnson and whose father worked in the KGB
What a great idea. City going to hell with crime and the best idea from people is to start miss treating police. Also, forcing them to leave their guns* “outside”, which in this case would be in the car wouldn’t just mean some criminal could break into the car and steal their weaponry?
The Russians did indeed managed to destroy american society, hats off to them lol
Oh I don’t know, mainstream media, politicians constantly trashing the entire police force because of some officers actions, leading to the complete disrespect for the police and the law?
Also economic crisis due to Covid leading to poverty?
Why should the citizenry respect the cops, when they show utter contempt for the law? None of them willingly or unwillingly abide by section 1983 of the Federal Code.
Also, forcing them to leave their guns* “outside”, which in this case would be in the car wouldn’t just mean some criminal could break into the car and steal their weaponry?
I'm sure what the shop owner wants it to mean is that they go eat their donuts elsewhere. Safety of their firearms is the responsibility of the cops, not the bakery owner in any case.
“Many members of our community have been impacted by gun violence, whether that be experience on the streets of San Francisco, having come from war or occupation, or having increased fears due to a growing climate of political extremism,” the bakery continued. “All too often, Black and brown people, and poor people are the victims of this violence. At Reem’s, we aim to provide a space where people can eat delicious Arab food and work together to strengthen our community, without fear of violence or harassment.”
They don’t want their customers to have to worry about guns. Their policy makes perfect sense to me.
Makes total sense, this policy will prevent criminals from bring firearms into the bakery too. They’ll see the sign and find somewhere else to rob at gunpoint
Man, it must be so awful to be so terrified of everything that you think the entire world is a constant threat you have to be armed and guarded against.
Also, forcing them to leave their guns* “outside”, which in this case would be in the car, wouldn’t just mean some criminal could break into the car and steal their weaponry?
They carry more weapons than the ones on their person anyway. If their vehicle isn’t secure enough for their sidearm while they are on break then they aren’t secure enough for the rest of their arsenal.
You might be interested to know that cops, judges, politicians, and all other government officials don’t actually have Qualified Immunity according to the full text of section 1983 of the federal code. The SCOTUS wasn’t handed the full text in 1982 when they heard Harlow V Fitzgerald. The text was changed illegally in 1874 by one guy when he copied the 1871 Congressional Record into the Federal Register.
Look up “16 crucial words that went missing from a landmark civil rights law” for more info.
(Not OP) Thanks but that particular article is AI generated garbage (or just thesaurus generated plagiarism) - you can tell when they replace technical terms like ‘judgement’ or ‘decision’ with synonyms like ‘choice’
While the Cato Institute are some sort of libertarian think-tank, at least this is a real human-written article, and it links back to some better sources:
For some more context this place, reems, really isn’t a bakery so much as a middle eastern take out place. The main store is currently closed down though so the only place they have open is a counter serve food court style place in the ferry building, so the cops didn’t get kicked out of the place, they either went to the counter and the cashier refused to serve, or more likely, they saw the new policy online and threw a hissy fit without actually going.
The founder is a Palestinian leftist, so this probably was targeted towards cops/military.
I’d highly recommend going here if your on a tourist trip and end up in the ferry building, not just for the cop hate, but there wraps are great as well.
It’s not like they check for concealed carry though. I did security checks for a MLB team for a bit and I definitely waved through guns after they flashed a badge.
odds on there being an 'incident' at that location in the near future, and the cops responding stop at dunkin' for coffee and a donut while on the way there....?
Shit coffee, too. And I say this as someone from the northeast and currently living somewhere are nine Dunks within a one mile radius of my current location.
The coffee is better than Starbucks, but that’s not saying much. Starbucks is only considered good because they add so much sugar and shit you can’t taste the coffee.
Really? I’ve had a Starbucks Americano and it was fine. Although that’s espresso, not drip coffee. Drip coffee in general is just swill. Especially when it’s some “breakfast blend” bullshit. I’ve never had a blend that’s good, but most single-origin coffees are fine.
The beans at Starbucks are over-roasted to maintain a consistent flavor across all locations. It doesn’t really matter what you get. Espresso might be slightly better, but it’ll always be over-roasted.
We have had a surprising high number of bakery related controversies. I think I will continue to shop at my local supermarket bakery. I want a cake not to have to make a statement.
Read the Madness of crowds. He has a whole chapter on the number of people who were fined, imprisoned, murdered over how pointy shows can be and how much or how little facial hair a man can have.
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