drzow,

I started on one of the smaller instances, and guess what? They didn’t make it. I spent about two days setting up my account searching for all the communities I wanted, and had a great feed. Then about a week later, they were gone. I can’t fault the admin- they were doing a lot of work and running up a server bill largely for gratis, but I lost all that setup time. So when I had to start a new account I chose to go to one of the moderately large instances because I didn’t want it to go poof overnight again.

What I’m saying is there is safety in the medium to large instances.

That said, I do have some problems with some of the largest instances throwing their weight around in performing global bans on users from other instances whose world views differ from theirs.

interdimensionalmeme,

Wouldn’t be much of a problem if you could export account to a file

Fissionami,
@Fissionami@lemmy.ml avatar
interdimensionalmeme,

Can you get the file into another server ?

Fissionami,
@Fissionami@lemmy.ml avatar

Yes

Draconic_NEO,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

That only exports settings and subscriptions, I think what they’re talking about is a solution that allows you to migrate everything including your ownership of the posts and comments that you made.

It’s definitely better than nothing but it’s probably not what they are looking for, hopefully we’ll get a true account migration system soon.

Fissionami,
@Fissionami@lemmy.ml avatar

(if) till such feature comes, you can always link to your old account from the bio. Can’t think of any other solutions.

rmuk,

Mastodon allows you to transfer accounts between instances and IIRC there a feature in the Lemmy roadmap that will allow you to do the same for accounts and communities. Can’t happen soon enough.

interdimensionalmeme,

Judging from this issue

github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/12423

It is not fixed. I think you lose your history and relationships in the current barebone migration functionality.

If this were fixed, the sign up process could be streamlined and users could be stuffed in any random open instance without fear they’ll be caught there and lose their identity when the instance owner turns out to be a dick

KDE,

github.com/maltfield/awesome-lemmy-instancesfrom this i used monyet.cc since they didn’t need email discuss.online is good as well

treefingers,

I’m beginning to see that in order for lemmy to be truly federated, users must also become federated

wewbull,

User data needs to be exportable and importable somewhere else.

query,

If anything, I would say user data should be a lot more perishable than it is. Original content, answers to questions that don’t need to be answered again with a good search system, those are nice to preserve, but every word from every conversation ever?

wewbull,

I was meaning things like subscriptions and preferences. Not posts and votes.

query,

Sure, like a config file to export and import.

cokane_88,
@cokane_88@lemmy.world avatar

This loosing my first account sucked

knobbysideup,

I assume op runs an instance, then?

aranym,

Fortunately, they don’t need to! There are dozens of small open instances, and joining any of them helps the current centralization situation.

wheeldawg, (edited )

If people would share the idea of the fediverse instead of saying “yeah reddit suck, go to this website instead”, this would put a dent in it.

But since the concept is so alien and hard to describe, people find it easier to just share the site, and since that game keeps being recommended, and since even if they know about multiple sites working together, even those people are going to go to one that has a friendly name, so this is what happens.

I’m only not on it because I like picking less popular things in general, so I actively avoided picking what seemed to be the default at the time.

Also I believe it would help if the sites/instances had a way of distinguishing themselves more and communicating their differences. Even most of the instances’ intro or about pages are mostly saying something like “hey I’m a general use instance, with mostly this language, pick me!”

Which in and of itself is fine, but it seems most of them are general use, so people have no basis for picking one. They may figure out different reasons to like one or the other along the way, but once they pick one initially, I don’t think most people make another account.

I haven’t done much of that either, except for making one my dedicated NSFW account and this one, but I plan on making at least one or two more just in case of downtime, or even to separate genres of content.

ImmortanStalin,

I think I might also make a hexbear account.

interdimensionalmeme,

The problem is that Lemmy is not federated. You can’t click this link /c/books and get the whole fediverse book community. Federation dies right there.

See this issue

Sigmatank,

Join a local instance, and then don’t forget to donate to it

Misconduct,

I’m doing my part!

mifilmi,
@mifilmi@lemmy.my.id avatar

done that…

chalupapocalypse,

Is there a list somewhere

mayo,

off the top of my head, there’s this

domain/instances

eg.

lemmy.today/instances

There are other better ways to browse them probably

wewbull,

That’s only a list of federated instances to your instance.

mayo,

There’s more! It looked comprehensive to me but just because it was a massive list.

Mountaineer,
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  • wewbull,

    If they choose not to federate with anybody, that community is basically dead.

    RespectMyAuthoriteh,
    @RespectMyAuthoriteh@lemmy.world avatar

    Let’s put things in perspective. Lemmy.world currently has a “whopping” 127k users. That’s fewer users than the moderately successful niche subreddit I created on Reddit has, which is just one of several thousand subreddits over 127k in size. Not to mention the tens of thousands of Instagram, youtube, facebook, tiktok, etc., pages with more than 127k subscribers. Saying lemmy.world has “a lot of power” at this point seems like a real stretch to me.

    WorkIsSlow,

    The amount of power they have over the direction of Lemmy comes from the percentage of Lemmy users they have not the total user count.

    treefingers,

    That’s all well and good, but a user can be subscribed to many subs

    Nurgle,

    You can be on multiple instances?

    treefingers,

    It’s much more normal for a person to have many more subs attached to a single account than it is to have many accounts

    E.g. you might have say 3 accounts, but one of those accounts might have 100 subs, relatively speaking the numbers aren’t comparable

    bappity,
    @bappity@lemmy.world avatar

    think about it relatively

    XEAL,

    A lot of power within Lemmy.

    DrQuint,

    fewer than a successful niche reddit

    Maybe by subscriber count (the bad count, never use sub count).

    Truly niche reddits have 5k readers at most. And even then, readers includes lurkers, while lemmy users ONLY includes people making comments.

    interdimensionalmeme,

    It’s obvious that like mastodon when twitter imploded, not 1% of 1% of 1% of fleeing users actually made it past the registration screen. Maybe Lemmy will get another chance , in 5/10 years

    wewbull,

    A platform switch takes time, and normally it’s a particular community that takes hold. Right now, on Lemmy, it seems to be mostly memes and shit posting that’s on the front page. Getting more interesting conversations visible to new users will make the biggest difference.

    prole,

    Their “power” would be relative to other lemmy instances, not absolute.

    The comparison to reddit isn’t really fair, as by the time they were getting thousands of subs with more than 127k subscribers, they had been bought by Conde Nast, and were also making money through ads.

    These servers don’t just magically run for free, someone is paying for it. And I don’t know about you, but I don’t want lemmy to change in order to appear more appealing to advertisers.

    M0oP0o,
    @M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

    I do still see value in a general landing page for new lemmy users, but this whole thing has really shown me that it should not be anything like this. .ml and .world have done a lot of work becoming the “big” instances and now they have a taste for censorship (and have most the users) I doubt it will get better.

    wewbull,

    I don’t know how federation works in detail, but I really hope it’s like torrenting where peers introduce each other. That way if one person decides to defederate with an instance it’s a decision that only applies to him. If anybody else is federated then the connection information is available to all. i.e. the network heals around damage.

    I have no problem with someone constructing a bubble for themselves, but they don’t get to say what’s in my bubble.

    M0oP0o,
    @M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

    well they just told 100k people what will be in their bubble…

    MonsieurHedge,
    @MonsieurHedge@kbin.social avatar

    This has its negatives. If someone makes twenty-seven different hate speech communities spread out over twenty-seven instances, it becomes harder to exterminate them like the vermin they are. If they all congregate on one overly-permissive instance, you can defederate them and call it a day. Much easier.

    WtfEvenIsExistence, (edited )

    There’s also partial defederation. lemmy.world has just blocked piracy communities while still federated with the rest of the instance, while that decision might not be liked by pirates, we now know this option exists therefore it’s also possible to block hate communities without blocking the entire instance.

    MonsieurHedge,
    @MonsieurHedge@kbin.social avatar

    Has to be done manually, though. Better tools will make this a more appealing option in the future, but for now I unironically think more centralization is the better option just to make the moderation job a little easier. Lord knows it's difficult enough.

    anolemmi,
    @anolemmi@lemmi.social avatar

    Yes please! Lemmy.world and lemmy.ml shouldn’t make up the majority of my feed.

    I think best case scenario, you have themed instances based around art, tech, politics, news, gaming, food, etc, and the largest communities are hosted there. Then you have “catch all” instances like lemm.ee which federate with everything, there can be as many of these instances as needed as the user base grows. These types of instances should be where the bulk of the new user accounts go, assuming just an average user looking for a /all replacement. Curated instances like beehaw allow for a more fine-tuned experience, but should still function basically as a catch all and not as “hosting the content” instance.

    However I understand that building up to that is damn near impossible with the current infrastructure. We would basically need a means to migrate an entire community to a new instance, while simultaneously updating everybody’s subscriptions to reflect the new home of the community.

    M0oP0o,
    @M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

    I thought lemmy.world was a “catch all” and it was, for a bit. We really do need better migration tools, then you could just leave any fools.

    mayo,

    Couple tools in case anyone is interested:

    python github.com/wescode/lemmy_migrate

    rust github.com/CMahaff/lasim/tree/main

    M0oP0o,
    @M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

    User or community move?

    mayo,

    Oh just community. User would be ideal, I hope that is widely advertised when it’s available

    Blaze,

    However I understand that building up to that is damn near impossible with the current infrastructure.

    Lemmy is still in its infancy. Any community wanting to move somewhere (like lemdro.id did) can still do it as long as they clearly indicate the new home.

    interdimensionalmeme,

    That’s as easy as moving any Reddit community to Lemmy. In other words, basically impossible.

    Bongles,

    We would basically need a means to migrate an entire community to a new instance, while simultaneously updating everybody’s subscriptions to reflect the new home of the community.

    That would be nice. As a regular user, when lemmy.world does something you dislike, like block piracy communities or something, you can simply create a new account and, until something official exists, use LASIM to migrate stuff over. I didn’t think about communities though, if you run the biggest community for some topic what do you do. Create another one, link to it from the first one and hope for the best?

    CorrodedCranium,
    @CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

    I think once adding communities from outside your instance becomes a little easier we’ll see that. A lot of newcomers had some trouble figuring out how federation works and went where a lot of the activity was

    Mic_Check_One_Two,

    There’s also the fact that a bunch of instances immediately closed registration as soon as the Reddit refugees started arriving. They couldn’t handle the sudden extra load, so they all closed their registrations. Which is their right as owners, but it also meant that virtually all the new users were funneled to the instances that were willing to expand, with Lemmy.World being one of the only ones.

    Hell, I still haven’t received registration emails for most of the “we’re filtering our registrations. Click the link in your email to verify you aren’t a bot” instances I tried to register with.

    SaintWacko,

    Gmail address?

    Mic_Check_One_Two,

    Nope, self-hosted. So I know it didn’t get bounced off of a spam filter, because I control the spam filters.

    Xanvial,

    maybe your email host is filtered as spam from their side

    Loulou,

    Urgh, yeah.

    I use the ‘official’ Jerboa app and the web interface and duuude is it a Hassle to add a sole unknown community!

    I’m doing them all for what I know ; pasting different link types into jerboa search, pasting the instance, !first, /c/ … Going to web UI, doing the same, doing the lemmy.mysite.com/c/[email protected] or what the correct thing is (I have it somewhere) and obviously it still doesn’t work.

    For like 30 minutes.

    Then it “just works” 😅

    It would be great if admins at least (I can see the possible abuse if anyone can force-feed communities to the instance, but well they can today so… ) can add communities to their instances by some “add-list” the server grabs quickly (I know we can by subbing to them but see above, it sure is not easy). Could be cool to be able to grab a bunch of fun communities, or art communities, or sport communities or whatever someone shares, and just force feed them to your instance.

    I thought whitelisting was something along those lines, I sure was surprised 🙂.

    Great job though Lemmy Developers, I’m quite sure Lemmy will roam the internet for ever!

    CorrodedCranium,
    @CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

    It would be great if admins at least (I can see the possible abuse if anyone can force-feed communities to the instance, but well they can today so…) can add communities to their instances (I know we can, by subbing to them but see above, it sure is not easy).

    Isn’t that how Lemmy’s all feed works? If someone else subscribes to an outside community it shows up under everyone’s all tab?

    Loulou,

    Yep, but it’s a big hassle to actually sub to a community not yet known to your instance. That’s like the problem.

    Blaze,

    You might want to ask your instance admin to run this tool to help you: github.com/Fmstrat/lcs

    Loulou,

    It “just” grabs all communities with >50 user’s & upvotes and subs you to them?

    Kind of brutal lol, but maybe it can be reworked to accept specific communities…

    DrQuint,

    Let’s be honest, this is partially on Jerboa for being the oldest and most convoluted active Lemmy app.

    interdimensionalmeme,

    Here is the problem, and they already refused to fix it

    github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3033

    Carighan,
    @Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

    On the other hand, the way we socialise with strangers inherently benefits from centralisation. There’s a good reason everyone will intuitively go to the largest instance: it’s where everyone else is.

    To alleviate that, you’d need to blur the lines enough for it to no longer be visible even. All communities behave as if they’re local and so on.

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