Did we kill Linux's killer feature?

A few years ago we were able to upgrade everything (OS and Apps) using a single command. I remember this was something we boasted about when talking to Windows and Mac fans. It was such an amazing feature. Something that users of proprietary systems hadn’t even heard about. We had this on desktops before things like Apple’s App Store and Play Store were a thing.

We can no longer do that thanks to Flatpaks and Snaps as well as AppImages.

Recently i upgraded my Fedora system. I few days later i found out i was runnig some older apps since they were Flatpaks (i had completely forgotten how I installed bitwarden for instance.)

Do you miss the old system too?

Is it possible to bring back that experience? A unified, reliable CLI solution to make sure EVERYTHING is up to date?

fishr,

IMHO the killer feature of linux is that you aren’t getting shit straight into your mouth every day by some corporation that decices to squeeze more cash money out of you.

And as others have pointed out most gui applications update all sources automatically.

Tak,
@Tak@lemmy.ml avatar

IBM salivating in the corner

Presi300,
@Presi300@lemmy.world avatar

Nah, I don’t miss them really, flatpaks are much more convenient and for me fedora kinda just updates itself automatically.

Also, pretty much all graphical app stores on linux support flatpaks and the distro’s default package manager, so you can update everything from there…

trollercoaster, (edited )

Your mileage may vary, but it’s still possible to install some distros without those nonsensical containerised “package managers”, or to at least remove them after installation. It unfortunately takes an increasing amount of effort, especially in distros that are actively trying to push their flavour of containerised package manager. (Totally not looking at Ubuntu and Snap)

What is working in our favour here is the fragmentation, which will prevent, or at least slow down a too widespread adoption of those systems.

jyte,

Snap forces updates, and you cannot disable them. So if you use snaps, I guess you can stop worrying and keep going with your usual apt routine.

peter,

I actually like Flatpaks… I use dpkg/apt-get for system packages that cannot be installed in userspace, and flatpaks for desktop apps / games. Many distro’s have unified ways to update them anyway (at least VanillaOS has)

KSPAtlas,
@KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz avatar

GUI interfaces like discover or gnome software will update all

outadoc,

Thank god we have these graphical GUI interfaces

bionicjoey,

Graphical GUI User Interfaces*

BaumGeist,

GUI stands for GUI User Interface

bionicjoey,

GNUI

bingbong,

Ugh aktually it’s Graphical plus UI or as I like to call it G/UI 🤓

chris,

You’re using Linux. It took me about an hour to create a script that will upgrade all packages, Snaps, and flatpaks, complete with flavor text. The fact that I could do that, with total control over how and when to run those updates, is still a killer feature to me.

jherazob,
@jherazob@beehaw.org avatar

“Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no”. This is no exception.

flashgnash,

I get 99% of my packages via nix and the other 1% through appimages which I can put anywhere I like on my disk

Frederic,

I’m using MX Linux and don’t use any flatpak or snaps, only good old debs

SaltyIceteaMaker,

This is one of the reasons i don’t use flatpaks, snaps etc. I get everything either from the official repos or from the aur. Except balena etcher as it is the only thing i was unable to install via my aur helper and i couldn’t be bothered to look into why as balena is not that important to me.

It is the ONLY package that isn’t updated with my update command as i installed it via appimage

BaumGeist,

I’ve only found one use case for balena: absolutely needing a gui to run a simple dd command. The other potential case, automagically handling bootability, never worked for me.

SaltyIceteaMaker,

I will never use dd unless absolutely necessary. People call it disk destroyer for a reason

itsralC,

I use fedora as well and I just update through the GUI. It’s more stable that way and waiting until I turn off my computer for them to apply is not a big deal.

archy,

I use one command to upgrade the whole system: paru one one system and yay on the other laptop.

Grant_M,
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

On Mint everything updates automatically for me, Flatpaks and all.

gamer, 

<span style="color:#323232;">#! /bin/sh
</span><span style="color:#323232;">#update_everything_in_one_command.sh
</span><span style="color:#323232;">set -e
</span><span style="color:#323232;">apt update
</span><span style="color:#323232;">apt upgrade -y
</span><span style="color:#323232;">flatpak update -y
</span>

$ sudo update_everything_in_one_command

Tada!

sane,
@sane@feddit.de avatar 

<span style="color:#323232;">echo -e "nalias upgrade='sudo update_everything_in_one_command.sh'" >> ~/.bashrc
</span>
ReginaPhalange,

This dude, this dude procreate.

slacktoid,
@slacktoid@lemmy.ml avatar

This dude… this dude fucks

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