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Novman, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

In Europe ( i mean Paris, France and Italy ) public authority had pushed hard on micromobility, but now they are, in reality banning it cause safety problems.

orrk,

you spelled “Karen complaining” wrong, the bans of e-scooters were basically just aimed at appeasing the 50+ demographic

Novman,

Mostly, but not only.

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Probably you misspelled “most of them, but not everyone”

InternetTubes,

Not really, they are just regulating it. And a lot of those countries already had really well-developed metro systems, and micromobility and rental transport options have still taken off. Driverless cars haven’t because of the GDPR barrier that even brings up the legality of dashcam video usage in some of its countries, so basically only those with the hefty Euro parliament lobbyists like Tesla are allowed to some degree.

triplenadir,
@triplenadir@lemmygrad.ml avatar

the main reason driverless cars haven’t taken off in Europe is that European road safety regulators require strong evidence that a technology is safe before it is used on roads, as opposed to the US, where new technology is largely allowed on roads by default until it kills enough people.

InternetTubes,

Things that aren’t a hazard, like automated delivery robots that go too slow to injure anyone, haven’t been allowed because of GDPR concerns, except within private property as waiter bots. In contrast, electric mobility solutions have spread all throughout the streets of Europe regardless of whether people leave them tossed in the street. But you make a good point, “safety regulators” requires another good set of lobbyists to push through.

Novman,

Regulating in a manner to ban them. Driverless cars are not technologically ready right now. GDPR, is the bare minimum privacy protection, as a lot o citizens required.

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

of the GDPR barrier

Well, not spying on people is also an option

InternetTubes,

Because companies don’t ever lie about not preserving and selling their data they have recorded in public, specially that being used for research purposes meaning it is beneficial to keep it a long time even without an interest in spying? It’s going to require a lot of lobbyists to get the “official seals of approval” that prove automated vehicles aren’t spying, and that’s all that matters in that regard. Well, that, and not being embarrassed by immediate leaks of it.

schroedingershat,

GDPR doesn’t prevent you making a recording as a private citizen of a public space on a local device in the car with a 1 week rolling buffer.

ytg, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation
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It’s funny because trains are both the past and the future.

bill_1992, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

Also, trains and light rail have already been automated. The tech is already here.

thantik, (edited ) in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

Yeah, never going to happen. Most of us don’t like to live like sardines in a tin can, sharing 4 walls with other inconsiderate assholes.

Fuck city living. Fuck the city. Fuck densely packed consumer culture bullshit. Fuck public transportation. Put up as many roads as you can, give me 4 wheels and a place to visit.

City living just exacerbates the problem with corporations owning everybodies housing, and the expectation of everyone coming into the office every day. Move education, work, etc online and be done with the need to travel into a city at all.

All it would take is a couple thousand city-dwellers to move out into rural America and America’s republicans would be eradicated, moving us towards actually electing politicians that believe in sound scientific policy, etc.

But instead, all the uneducated slack jawed yokels are out living in nature, meanwhile people who don’t even SEE trees or wildlife are on the internet proclaiming how much they love the earth and how we need to save it. Fucking come out here you cowards!

alphabetsheep,

I live in the middle of nowhere and drive race cars on the weekend, I think we agree on a lot of things. I love having plenty of space, not a fan of close neighbors, apartment living or any of that shit.

I still want cheap trains and micromobility though. Every once in awhile I need to go into the city and taking my ebike in on the train is so much better than driving. Also even if you still drive like normal, it would go so much smoother if all the city folks stuck to the train and got off the roads.

Not saying cars should be more expensive, and definitely not saying city living is the way, but having better options for city folks only helps the situation for the rest of us.

TheDoctorDonna,

No one is forcing you to live in the city, but at our current population plus the current growth, it makesmore sense to have to majority of people live in cities and use public transportation. We cannot all live rurally, it’s just not doable. And isolating ourselves to everything online is not good for most people’s mental health- through we should all have a choice in that.

And if you want to continue having a “place to visit” everyone needs to take a more environmentally friendly approach to travel. Fewer roads and smaller private vehicles alongside increased public transit to wherever isn’t too remote to service.

Also the bank owns the farms too.

wintermute_oregon, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

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  • Aux,

    Said a person who has never been on a train in London during peak.

    wintermute_oregon,

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  • Aux,

    Yeah, that’s definitely an issue in the US.

    wintermute_oregon,

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  • Aux,

    You know what’s interesting? I’ve never paid more than £150 for a ticket to fly anywhere in Europe. Paying thousands sounds completely bonkers to me. I bet I can fly from London to the US cheaper than $1000.

    wintermute_oregon,

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  • Aux,

    There are several Portlands in the US, so I’m not sure which one you’re talking about, but I guess if it’s the one on the West Coast, then it’s about the same distance as from London to Tenerife. That would cost me £68 one way booked two weeks in advance. I remember flying from Frankfurt to Tenerife for free. Yes, free. But that was a long time ago, hard to find deals like that these days… But man, $800, what the fuck?

    SwingingTheLamp,

    Riding train at peak is still more relaxing than driving at peak.

    Aux,

    I would disagree. But then again, I prefer cycling or WFH so… Fuck both trains and cars at peak!

    huginn, in Breaking News! Suburbs bad for kids!

    Lived experience growing up in the burbs in the 90s. Sucked shit.

    lemann, in 482 foot acceleration lane for a road with a… 25mph speed limit

    R.I.P. any bike commuter who dares to use that lane during rush hour

    nei7jc,
    @nei7jc@lemmy.world avatar

    Is it legal to use the main road lane when a bike lane is available?

    frostbiker,

    In most jurisdictions, yes. Bikes can typically ride anywhere except motorways.

    M0oP0o, in Compact car
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    *Picture taken by driver

    Hawk,

    Probably proud that he “owned the libs” and their woke compact parking spaces

    M0oP0o,
    @M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

    It looks like something sent to their buddies right after parking.

    Nerd02, in Welcome!
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    Hooded pepe is being very dangerous to other pedestrians by using his skateboard on the sidewalk instead of the wide bike path.

    superkret, in Welcome!
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  • Swedneck,
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    There’s a bunch of islands like that in sweden, mostly gothenburg/stockholm, and it’s amazing to go there by the public transport ferries :)

    and of course they’re ungodly expensive to live in because everyone wants to live there.

    TrainsAreCool, in What are the benefits of not owning a car?

    Having a few more drinks than you planned to when out because you took transit to get there.

    MammyWhammy,

    In general it’s just a lot more possible to just go with the flow. You don’t have to coordinate getting to/from places, and when you get to where you’re going you can just leave whenever you want, no need to coordinate pick ups/drop offs. Figure out who can drive, who can’t drive etc. Just kinda go wherever the mood takes you.

    Ataraxia, in We almost have a consensus
    @Ataraxia@lemmy.world avatar

    I hate being in a car. If we had reliable and safe public transportation I’d actually go places. Trains would be nice too.

    feck_it, in What are the benefits of not owning a car?

    “Not having to feed and shelter a cow for her milk” If i use expressionism. Car taxes , fuel prices and traffic is a huge problem where i live and i can use buses, metros and my own legs to go anywhere reliably.

    johnlawrenceaspden, in We almost have a consensus

    A bit like the consensus that most gods don’t exist.

    name_NULL111653,

    I believe in Gods, but my Gods have no problem with you or anyone else doing whatever the heck you want, and we’ll probably end up in the same afterlife…

    Kolanaki,
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    My gods are old and come to me in dreams to show me an ancient city, deep beneath the ocean. I think they’re trying to tell me about Atlantis.

    johnlawrenceaspden,

    I do hope that city isn’t called R’lyeh…

    AngryCommieKender,

    Not if I get my way. I’ll have access to a holodeck that can make me food, and you’ll never see me again!

    johnlawrenceaspden,

    They sound like great Gods, and I’ll believe in them even though they don’t exist. Where do we meet up to sing?

    name_NULL111653,

    Around the fire, we can sing to praise Óðinn. It calms the mind and inspires. And I agree with your sentiment exactly - I’m Nietzschean in my philosophy, but I use belief as a tool, at least while I’m personally figuring out where to go in light of the death of god.

    HardlightCereal,

    I believe in all gods cause I’m a rebel

    johnlawrenceaspden,

    That’s the spirit! What fun you must have imagining them all fighting about who’s real…

    HardlightCereal,

    Actually I find it deeply depressing. Everyone used to think like me, but then Abrahamic monotheism came along and introduced this stupid pointless fight over what’s real and ended up leading to hundreds of pointless genocides of indigenous cultures during the age of colonisation. In my book anyone who carries on this pointless tradition of claiming everyone else’s gods aren’t real is a dick.

    Lettuceeatlettuce, in [image] Both cars fit the same amount of people

    But you forgot that the truck can be used to haul 4 pieces of lumber twice a year!

    Pyr_Pressure,

    And only costs 1000x more than it would to rent a trailer for a day twice a year.

    Lettuceeatlettuce,

    Exactly!

    cloudy1999,

    Or, carry the same 4 pieces of lumber all year long and cause me anxiety everytime I’m driving behind.

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