Who went "full fedi" yet?

Bit of a simple question: Some people on lemmy are still posting stuff from youtube, xitter and the like.

Have you gone full fediverse yet or how far are you?

  1. traded reddit for lemmy/kbin
  2. xitter for mastodon
  3. discord for matrix
  4. youtube for peertube

Obviously I also mean other alternatives. Which ones do you use and why?

Disclaimer: this question is me asking genuinely but also trying to make it fun by arbitrary ranking/escalating it. Not trying to say one is better than the others.

kpw,
  1. Yes
  2. Yes
  3. Should say XMPP, the IETF internet standard for IM. Matrix is a venture capital sham not compatible with existing standards.
  4. No, there is a huge content gap.
haui_lemmy,
@haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com avatar

Please elaborate! I‘ve heard people say matrix is problematic and xmpp is better but thats it. Please help me (and others understand).

kpw, (edited )

The whole point of XMPP or Matrix is to provide interoperability between IM services. For interoperability to exist, we must agree on standards. Matrix is not a standard, but essentially a product controlled entirely by NewVector, a venture capital funded start-up.

They are not profitable and increasingly desperate to make money. Recently they forked Element and Synapse and make contributors sign a CLA which enables them to change their software to a non-free license in the future for monetization: https://drewdevault.com/2018/10/05/Dont-sign-a-CLA.html

You might say "But they made a non-profit foundation for Matrix" which is kind of true, but not really. The "core spec team" is all people working for NewVector except a single guy. Go checkout their linked GitHub profiles.

The whole Matrix thing should build on the existing XMPP internet standard. Instead we got yet another incompatible IM protocol, effectively controlled by a single corporation and more fragmentation. Bridges don't help as they break almost all features, most regrettably end-to-end encryption. We really need proper internet standards for interoperability.

XMPP is also more lightweight and has proper native clients for all platforms instead of Electron apps. On the server side the difference is even more severe.

haui_lemmy,
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This indeed reads pretty brutal. Thank you for pointing this out. I might look for alternatives in the future.

AceFuzzLord,
  1. I jumped ship after the 3rd party app fiasco.
  2. I never used it, so I had no reason to make a switch. I also did make a mastodon account once, but I don’t know what happened to it and I can’t find it.
  3. I only ever use it for updates for a few games. Also, I can’t ditch it because the club I’m in at my community college, the club discord server is how we communicate and there’s probably no way I could convince the club to switch since the next year, various members might have gotten their degree or left the club for various reasons.
  4. If my favorite channels switched over to something like Peertube or even some place like Odysee, then I’d definitely switch. Most of the people I watch would never leave and I just don’t feel like putting in the effort to find new people to watch since I’ve been watching some of my favorites for over a decade.
haui_lemmy,
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The youtube thing is unfortunately the hard truth imo as well.

But I have good news on discord: matrix has bridges for all messaging apps that you can use to puppeteer your accounts. You only use matrix and talk to all your friends no matter the platform. I‘m only getting into it but its awesome. Some instances like tchncs.de already have bridges for you to use.

Good luck with your journey. :) feel free to hit me up on matrix if you visit. @haui:matrix.giftedmc.com

lazycouchpotato,
@lazycouchpotato@lemmy.world avatar

1-2 yes

3-4 no (or at least, not yet)

Has it been a perfect migration? No.

There are a ton of quirks that need to be worked out, but I’m still betting on the Fediverse because of its openness and philosophy.

haui_lemmy,
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I can relate. The constant amount of bugs is what makes using unpolished stuff a challenge. But it’s kind of the same thing if you‘re living in a democracy. Being in an authoritarian regime allows for more streamlined visuals (dubai) but also leads to ethnic cleansing and other transgressions.

LillyPip,

1 - 3.

I’m still on YouTube.

haui_lemmy,
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Relatable. I also visit youtube often. Peertube still needs work but I‘m optimistic.

God_Is_Love,

Most of them! I’m struggling to understand peertube but maybe I’ll get it eventually. In the meantime I’m still on YouTube but I’ve fediversed all the others 🎉

haui_lemmy,
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Thats awesome! Peertube is an odd one but has character. The biggest issue imo is that you cant sort on sepiasearch.org with likes, views and comments.

God_Is_Love,

Yeah I don’t even know what that means 🤣 I’m really slow to understand something new technologically speaking, but once I’ve got it I feel confident. I’m totally comfortable with Lemmy and Bookwyrm now for example!

haui_lemmy,
@haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com avatar

I have a hard time explaining things simple.

Sepiasearch.org is the search engine for all federated peertube instances. Use it to find content.

But please try different filters and sorting schemes (buttons) since there is no algorithm so it doesnt know what you like. It shows videos that have your search term in the title or description.

corsicanguppy,

Haven’t used discord in forever. No thanks.

I like the double-entendre in peertube though.

haui_lemmy,
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Relatable. What is a double entendre?

Agent641,

I dont think ill ever stop youtube. It has an extremely toxic side, the side where content creators are doing it for a job. I don’t go there. I watch, and post videos that are purely out of a love of sharing. That is the blessed side of youtube. And Ill berelentless in blocking ads and paying for adblockers if nessecary.

I never used extwitter.

I only use instagram to share my photography with my family, and to chat with my younger cousins.

Never really got into discord.

And Reddit I still sometimes lurk, but only on PC, and rarely comment anymore.

Now lemmy via Jerboa is my best friend.

Ive also had so much more social interaction offline in the last 12 months its been a complete turnaround for me.

saigot, (edited )

If YouTube finally takes away subscriptions then I’m gone from YouTube. I am one of the few people I guess that just logs in every day watches almost all my subs vids and then leaves. None of the algoithmic shenanigans directly effect me and I don’t think YouTube stands a chance of winning the adblockers stuff. Other than that it’s hard to imagine leaving, even if everyone jumped ship the archive of YouTube alone is so huge.

slacktoid,
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Youtube is the hardest. Rest are fine.

shrugal,

Twitch will probably be even harder.

slacktoid,
@slacktoid@lemmy.ml avatar

Wasn’t on the list but yes video is gonna be the hardest.

haui_lemmy,
@haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com avatar

I agree.

snoopfrog,

I’m in Lemmy and Mastodon. I left Twitter for good about a week after the Tesla guy acquired it and made his first flex on the app. I don’t even remember what it was, but I didn’t want to be a part of his toy, and all he has done is prove me right over and over. I left Reddit within a couple days of the announcement that mobile app developers were getting screwed, and I’d essentially have to switch to the native app to use a full-featured Reddit. It seemed like a crappy thing to do since developers like LJ Dawson (Sync), the Relay person, etc are who really built Reddit since Reddit was slow to get into apps.

I use Discord but only because it’s what’s required for a gaming guild, and my dynasty fantasy baseball league uses it too. I have no interest in using it outside of that.

I’ve never really used Youtube, so I haven’t checked out Peertube. Likewise, I never really used Insta, so I haven’t looked that closely at Pixelfed. I’m considering Pixelfed since I’m a hobby photographer, but I share my pics on my personal website (I don’t care who sees them tbh, it’s fun for me) and on my FB. I can’t seem to shed FB with so many people I know using that to stay in touch and schedule events, and the Marketplace is leagues better than Craigslist.

haui_lemmy,
@haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com avatar

Can relate. Thats quite the story.

But facebook, of all things? Its like not eating chocolate because its bad for your health but getting your occasional heroin fix. No offense.

Still, its your decision and i wont judge since I don’t know your friends and peers and dont know if you‘d be able to convince them to move away from corpo claws.

victorz,

Uninstalled X, Facebook, Instagram, Reddit apps; installed Boost for Lemmy, Mastodon. Would be cool to try Matrix instead of Discord if the experience is the same. But my friends wouldn’t switch based on ideology. 😑

haui_lemmy,
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Two things: the experience wont be the exact same because matrix is not a discord clone. It will be a mix of whatsapp, discord, fb messenger and imessage because its a drop in replacement for all of those.

Your friends dont need to switch. You can bridge all these services to matrix and have it all in one app. Thats the fun.

FlavoredButtHair,
@FlavoredButtHair@lemmy.world avatar

I’m slowly migrating to Lemmy/Kbin.

The mods of Reddit are just power abusing shitheads. The same communities will eventually come to the fediverse.

haui_lemmy,
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Some definitely are. Good that you’re here.

FlavoredButtHair,
@FlavoredButtHair@lemmy.world avatar

Yea I’m looking forward to being on Lemmy. MySpace went down due to Facebook growing. I think we accomplish the same thing and the fediverse thing too.

haui_lemmy,
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Sounds like something I can live with. :)

cosmicrose,
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  1. I moved to Lemmy during the Reddit API debacle, and it’s been great. I’ve even started interacting with posts which I almost never did on Reddit.
  2. I moved from xitter to Mastodon, but I don’t really use either anymore; it’s just not a form of social media that brings me joy.
  3. I asked several of my friends to try out Matrix, and they tolerate it and message me there instead of Discord. I do a lot of video calls with my girlfriend through Matrix (via Element) and that’s been perfectly reliable. Matrix has actually worked better than Discord for me, since I use Linux (Arch btw) and my webcam frequently has green flashes in Discord but not on Matrix. I had that issue on Fedora as well so I think it’s a Discord for Linux problem.
  4. YouTube is the last great hurdle….
haui_lemmy,
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Can very much relate. I also moved due to the api debacle. But I kept on reddit a bit longer since I am head mod in a subreddit which I‘m not abandoning. Slowly easing off. Otherwise reddit is dead to me.

You can bridge nearly all other services to matrix. That way youre not dependent on others switching for you.

I suggest you try out peertube. Its a little rough but its gonna get there.

mihnt,
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I got rid of reddit.

Switched to Linux.

Stopped streaming music and started buying it.

Went with Freetube on PC and Grayjay on mobile.

Can’t leave discord because friends.

Still use youtube algorithm to find new content sometimes. Same with Spotify’s discover weekly.

I never used twitter.

haui_lemmy,
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Sounds pretty awesome to me.

But you can absolutely „leave“ discord as you can bridge it through matrix.

AdaShovelace,
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xitter for mastodon

This was step 1 for me, and it happened at the first rumbling of Musk taking over, though I don’t use Mastodon.

traded reddit for lemmy/kbin

This was step 2. I was using reddit and lemmy side by side, though mostly ignoring reddit, until the API change came through. I deleted my reddit account then and haven’t looked back.

discord for matrix

I did this a few months ago.

youtube for peertube

I don’t really use either…

FlavoredButtHair,
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Did you do the data export from your reddit account? So you’d have all your comments and saved stuff on your PC?

sbv,

I was solely Reddit before the API debacle, now I’m solely Lemmy. There’s not a lot of content here, but here I am.

I tried Mastodon after the Twitter buyout. It has all the downsides of Twitter (short posts, people constantly axe grinding, reply guys) without the upsides (content creators that I want to interact with, humour accounts). I dropped Mastodon after a couple of months.

victorz,

That’s also my problem with Mastodon. Want to use it over Twitter, it’s a good form of broadcasting for updates to my interests/followed organizations/products/etc. But nobody’s there… 🤷‍♂️

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