backhdlp,
@backhdlp@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

That sounds like some kind of fetish thing.

bmsok,

C.S. Lewis trilemma

Fosheze,

To be fair, per chrystian mythos, god didn’t create humans with original sin. Eve caused original sin by eating the forbidden fruit. Before that humans were completely sinless like other animals. Now why god created a temptation sin tree is a better question.

DarkGamer,
@DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

There are references to other humans outside the garden of Eden, implying that humans descended from them are immune to original sin.

Fosheze,

Original sin is passed on by birth so I’m pretty sure if they bred into the line of adam and eve then their offspring become infected with original sin. So those that are immune are only those who are entirely seperate from the line of adam and eve. It’s basically just an incurable STD.

DarkGamer,
@DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

I'd rather have unpleasant itching than possibility of eternal torture.

I read an amazing story about some pagan dude who invited the missionaries at his door in and calmly explained to them that he was descended from those people exclusively so none of their rules applies to him and what they considered sins were fine. They didn't know what to say and just left. Sadly, it seems to have disappeared from the internet.

Spiralvortexisalie,

A breakdown that covers above theory: www.thinkersbiblestudies.com/people-before-adam

detectivesniffles,

we could make a religion out of this!

KreekyBonez,

no, don’t do that

IndiBrony,
@IndiBrony@lemmy.world avatar

I am literally here just to point out the fact I recognise that they used the old Championship Manager font 👌 what a wave of nostalgia!

negativenull,
NegativeLookBehind,
@NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social avatar

Ha! Checkmate, science!

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

And this is why you can’t reason with extremists. This is their default mode. Other Abrahamic Religions have the same shit built in.

DarkGamer,
@DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

I think of it as a purity test. If one is willing to accept obviously absurd and contradictory material without evidence, (they call this faith,) it means they are just the sort of uncritical person that's likely to go with the program without pushing back. It's like how the Nigerian prince e-mail scammers intentionally include grammatical and spelling errors, because the people who overlook that and reply anyway are far more likely to be successfully scammed.

Each religion has a slightly different flavor of absurdity. They all rely on indoctrination and a lack of critical thought to persist. They all have the capacity to become extremist and frequently do. It's only a matter of time until the men who claim to speak for god(s) say their god(s) want violence.

While extremism isn't limited to Abrahamic religions, the story of Abraham, the one they all have in common, is a pretty fucked up story. The moral is: if you hear voices that tell you to kill your son, you should do it without question because that's definitely God testing you. That's a dangerous lesson to teach children, some of whom will grow up to be schizophrenic.

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Is there a way to calculate the velocity of the vicious cycles we have encapsulated ourselves in?

DarkGamer,
@DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

Interesting question. Out of curiosity I tried googling to see if anyone has done an analysis of historical cycles of religious extremism and didn't find any hits; if you find anything I'd be interested.

Do we need a standardized unit of religious extremism to calculate this? If so, I propose the Khomeini.

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

We probably do if there is no precedent. What does one standardized Khomeini unit represent? The number of extremists generated in a given amount of time compared to the non-extremist population? I don’t know if I have the knowledge to begin that conversation.

DarkGamer,
@DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

1 Khomeini = creation of 40 million religious extremists? (The approximate population of Iran just after the Islamic revolution there.)
Although, it can be a difficult problem for people quantizing such things to even classify what counts as extremism.

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

We’d probably have to offer how we interpret extremism. For the purpose of this excersize I would define extremism as an Individual’s willingness to commit to a doctrine without compromise. Since, most of the fighting we see across the globe today is due to some fully binding ideology that specific populations will not compromise on. With that definition set, we need to look at some average population numbers to make a value of 1 Khomeini meaningful at a glance.

IrateAnteater,

I’d imagine that you would have a hard time isolating cases of rising religious extremism from the rising social/political/economic upheavals that occur at the same time. These things tend to all go hand in hand, and which one is cause vs which one is symptom is not always obvious.

swab148,
@swab148@startrek.website avatar

God said to Abraham, “Hey, kill me a son.” Abe said, “Man, you must be puttin’ me on.” God said, “No.” Abe said, “What?” God said, “Abe, you can do what you like, but the next time you see me coming, you better run.” Abe said, “Alright, where you want this killing done?” “Out on Highway 61.”

Spiralvortexisalie,

Well last minute before plunging the knife into the son the Abraham stopped. Although it is worth noting that the disagreement over who is his rightful heir has caused so much bloodshed since antiquity til currently. Source: www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis 22%3…

swab148,
@swab148@startrek.website avatar

I didn’t even need your link to know the story. What kinda all-powerful being needs faith? For that reason, why would they need to procreate? These are just the surface-level plot holes in that book.

swab148,
@swab148@startrek.website avatar

I didn’t even need your link to know the story. What kinda all-powerful being needs faith? For that reason, why would they need to procreate? These are just the surface-level plot holes in that book.

swab148,
@swab148@startrek.website avatar

I didn’t even need your link to know the story. What kinda all-powerful being needs faith? For that reason, why would they need to procreate? These are just the surface-level plot holes in that book.

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