Even_Adder

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Even_Adder,

Does Nurse Joy treat people?

Even_Adder,

The day you end up being treated in a Pokémon center is a day for self reflection.

Even_Adder,

You should read this article by Kit Walsh, a senior staff attorney at the EFF if you haven’t already. The EFF is a digital rights group that recently won a historic case: border guards now need a warrant to search your phone.

Even_Adder,

The article does a very good job at show how it isn’t stealing. Particularlly this part:

Fair use protects reverse engineering, indexing for search engines, and other forms of analysis that create new knowledge about works or bodies of works. Here, the fact that the model is used to create new works weighs in favor of fair use as does the fact that the model consists of original analysis of the training images in comparison with one another.

This isn’t a new way of “stealing” it’s just a way to analyze and reverse engineer images so you can make your own original works. In the US, the first major case that established reverse engineering as fair use was Sega Enterprises Ltd. v. Accolade, Inc in 1992, and then affirmed in Sony Computer Entertainment, Inc. v. Connectix Corporation in 2000. So this is not new at all.

I understand that you are passionate about this topic, and that you have strong opinions on the legal and ethical issues involved. However, using profanity, insults, and exaggerations isn’t helping this discussion. It only creates hostility and resentment, and undermines your credibility. If you’re interested, we can have a discussion in good faith, but if your next comment is like this one, I won’t be replying.

Even_Adder,

You should read this article by Kit Walsh, a senior staff attorney at the EFF. The EFF is a digital rights group that recently won a historic case: border guards now need a warrant to search your phone.

Even_Adder,

Yeah, but now we get to be robbed of a feature, like we were when Namco patented playing mini-games on loading screens. We needn’t have suffered as much during the worst years of loading.

Even_Adder,

This is a scam.

Even_Adder,

This lacks something. I’ve seen AI generated horrors beyond comprehension.

Even_Adder, (edited )

It’s implied you find a secure place to camp since you’re not in the same room you initiated long rest in.

Even_Adder,

You should cite this article instead. It’s more up-to-date.

Even_Adder,

It’ls less like a bear and more like a camera that that can navigate the multidimensional latent space filled with concepts that can give rise to novel art. In the real world you can up, down, left, right, in or out, but in a latent space not only can you go those places, you can go to where Muppets meets impasto.

There’s also a spectrum depending on what tool you’re using and your level of involvement, but most people tend to assume and lump everything together into the same category. I know with web based interfaces wit can be slow and cumbersome to iterate, but with open source models based on Stable Diffusion you get a lot of freedom. That’s mostly what I base my knowledge off.

https://i.imgur.com/uAMbOUv.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/yjF1p0j.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/4uQfgR4.png

Here are some videos of what I mean:

youtu.be/-JQDtzSaAuA?t=97

youtu.be/1d_jns4W1cM

www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtbEuERXSqk

As long as there’s a human to set parameters, iterate, correct, generate, and evaluate, I don’t think there’s any question as to who made it. Just like an image from nature doesn’t need to be a creator, only someone there to capture it.

Even_Adder,

I don’t think we can let the current big AI players regulate themselves, but the ESRB hasn’t been too bad at doing its job.

Even_Adder,

They were spawned to stop the government from regulating video game content thanks to games like Mortal Kombat and Night Trap.

Even_Adder,

I get you.

Even_Adder,

Why do those waveforms look so loud?

Even_Adder,

This is a pretty good video about restoration options.

youtu.be/NiMC5VInbp8

Even_Adder,

I recommend reading this article by Kit Walsh, a senior staff attorney at the EFF if you haven’t already. The EFF is a digital rights group who most recently won a historic case: border guards now need a warrant to search your phone.

Also remember that AI training isn’t only for mega-corporations. We can already train open source models, we shouldn’t put up barriers that only benefit the ultra-wealthy. If we weaken fair use, we hand corporations a monopoly of a public technology by making it prohibitively expensive to for regular people to keep up. Mega corporations already own datasets, and have the money to buy more. And that’s before they make users sign predatory ToS allowing them exclusive access to user data, effectively selling our own data back to us. Regular people, who could have had access to a competitive, corporate-independent tool for creativity, education, entertainment, and social mobility, would instead be left worse off and with fewer rights than where they started.

Even_Adder,

I disagree with that article 100%. They’re missing the spirit of copyright law which is to protect artists that create original work. They already try to protect musicians and do this in music with sampling. But instead of one artist stealing parts of your song or the spirit of the song, they’re coming after visual art from every angle because it’s a computer and like 10,000 people doing that. We should be able to copyright our work and have to agree for it to be used, the end. It’s ridiculous and greedy of these huge companies to do anything else.

To quote the article:

First, copyright law doesn’t prevent you from making factual observations about a work or copying the facts embodied in a work (this is called the “idea/expression distinction”). Rather, copyright forbids you from copying the work’s creative expression in a way that could substitute for the original, and from making “derivative works” when those works copy too much creative expression from the original.

Fair use protects reverse engineering, indexing for search engines, and other forms of analysis that create new knowledge about works or bodies of works. Here, the fact that the model is used to create new works weighs in favor of fair use as does the fact that the model consists of original analysis of the training images in comparison with one another.

Just to be clear, I don’t give a shit about corporations, but what you want will hurt all artists and give corporations the unprecedented legal tools to take down anything they don’t feel like having around.

What part are you referencing here:

Also, how fucked up is it that they liken it to the little guy competing with big companies, that’s not a thing. If they used public domain art, I don’t think any of this would be an issue. Do we own our own voice, imagination, likeness? I say yeah, we do. The corporations shouldn’t have the rights to those.

I’m not really sure what this is about.

Even_Adder,

I don’t think there is some loophole that is against the spirit of the law, it works like this on purpose. In the US, fair use balances the interests of copyright holders with the public’s right to access and use information. There are rights people can maintain over their work, and the rights they do not maintain have always been to the benefit of self-expression and discussion. We shouldn’t be trying to make that any worse.

Even_Adder,

I guess I want free art, you should too. There is nothing wrong with wanting a tool to help people better communicate, inspire, create, and connect with each other in ways they may not have been able to before.

We’re all standing on the shoulders of giants. We learn from each other, and humanity is at its best when we can all share in our advancements. Calling this stealing is self-serving, manipulative rhetoric that unjustly vilifies people and misrepresents the reality of how these models work.

It took us 100,000 years to get from cave drawings to Leonard Da Vinci. This is just another step, like artists who used Camera Obscura in the past. It’s important to remember that early man was as smart as we are, they just lacked the interconnectivity that we have.

Even_Adder,

You’re beginning to understand.

Even_Adder,

That’s not by design, That’s a failure state known as overfitting. This happens when you have the same thing repeated in your training set too many times, and it effectively gets “burned in”. The whole point of generative AI is to create new things, why would you ruin a perfectly good system to accomplish the same thing as clicking “save as”?

It was Midjourney that had the Afghan Girl problem, BTW, not GPTs.

Even_Adder,

Here you go.

https://i.imgur.com/LhJPWFG.png

Even_Adder,

Reminder that this is made by Ben Zhao, the University of Chicago professor who stole open source code for his last data poisoning scheme.

Even_Adder, (edited )

Luckily, AI is a public technology. That’s why they’re already trying their hand at regulatory capture. And they might just get it. Just like they’re trying to destroy encryption. Support open source development, It’s our only chance. Their AI will never work for us. John Carmack put it best.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/114846470686900232/1163524791114932294/image.png?ex=653fe3e7&is=652d6ee7&hm=a671e192d0b070b6a5ac36cf51ffd50ef27cca9b68ff120140f6f0fcfd31b446&

Even_Adder,

This is a fighting game?

Even_Adder,

Didn’t Digital Foundry do a video on this a bit ago? They pretty much said it would only be about as good as the PS4.

Even_Adder,

Nintendo’s cheaping out on their customers again. Imagine having modern looking Nintendo games again?

Even_Adder,

It’s going to be PS4 at varying lower resolutions. It could have looked a lot better.

Is it just me, or has the BS with OpenAI shown that nobody in the AI space actually cares about "safeguarding AGI?"

Money wins, every time. They’re not concerned with accidentally destroying humanity with an out-of-control and dangerous AI who has decided “humans are the problem.” (I mean, that’s a little sci-fi anyway, an AGI couldn’t “infect” the entire internet as it currently exists.)...

Even_Adder,

Like someone else said “Open AI has been a farce ever since they disabled access to GPT3 for the sake of security”.

Even_Adder,

Here’s to hoping for an actually open OpenAI in the future.

Even_Adder,

Why?

Even_Adder,

Current open models are closing in on GPT-4. The real magic is in models fine-tuned in a specific field, not generalist models.

Even_Adder,

If you’re hiding read posts, they won’t show up, even on your profile.

Even_Adder,

Check your lemmy profile too. There’s a setting there as well.

Even_Adder,

I think I read that the Japanese government was going to force companies to raise salaries this year. A bunch of companies announced their raises earlier this year, the fact that Atlus is doing it so late into the year seems kind of shitty.

Even_Adder,

Reminder that this is made by Ben Zhao, the University of Chicago professor who illegally stole open source code for his last data poisoning scheme.

Even_Adder,

This is just plain 'ol photoshop. The same slab of meat is duplicated in both hands at different sizes.

Even_Adder,

Their ratings board treats console games like only kids can play them. Get one of those wretched PCs if you want vaginas.

Even_Adder,

No it wouldn’t. Tetris was going to get played by millions whether someone licensed it or not. That’s why there was such a mad scramble to land a deal.

Even_Adder,

You don’t need licensing to copy that floppy. That’s what your mind can’t grasp.

Even_Adder,

Computers and floppies existed outside of the USSR, as did Tetris.

Even_Adder,

I think you have me confused for someone else.

Even_Adder,

The comments on that article are getting pretty heated.

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