As I watch The Internet look like it’s starting to adopt a new phase (let’s call it federation writ large), I’m watching for signs of both success and struggle. I have some strong opinions of features and functionality lacking in the current suite of UIs that might help adoption, but thing I’ve been thinking about more...
Ha, this is me. I did exactly that (with a community for the TV show Andor) and am guilty of the behaviour you describe.
I’ve probably been thinking along the same lines as you and OP though, 'cos I deleted the community a couple of days ago. I realized that if I had something more to say about that show, it doesn’t belong in it’s own niche community, or ‘Star Wars TV’, or ‘Star Wars’, or even ‘Television’. Perhaps a ‘Movies&TV’ comm, although - at this rate - maybe even ‘entertainment’ would be best.
I’m starting to think that instances that limit community creation to admins have the right idea (e.g. Beehaw, or - to use a non-federated example - tildes).
Some instances have started ‘Community Teams’, but I sense that anytime they discover a dead community, their instinct is to find ways to promote it, get new mods, drive engagement etc, whereas I’m more of the opinion that they should be nuked and consolidated (along the lines of what the ‘cooking’ communities have tried to do, I suppose).
You’re not the first person I’ve heard who said that so there must be something there. That’s not my experience however, I find that Reddit makes me angry these days, getting annoyed at all the low-effort, inconsiderate posting. Having a debate on Reddit is impossible I find because saying something that goes slightly against the hive-mind you’ll you’ll be passive-aggressively downvoted, which has a chilling effect on what people say. I like that Beehaw doesn’t have downvotes, especially on local communities. On Beehaw/Lemmy someone might argue with you but that’s at least better I think than the knee-jerk downvote-to-oblivion you get on Reddit.
It’s true that a lot of people are more similar here than on Reddit. I’d argue that’s not necessarily a bad thing. The one-size-fits-all social network for everybody approach I think doesn’t work, it’s more natural to choose a group you fit in to and feel comfortable with (which is how things were on old style forums and message boards). What ever happens to Lemmy/Beehaw in the future, the main thing I hope for is to have plenty of choice of smaller forums which is what’s been lacking in the last decade or so.
Totally expect to see a sea of “Nazi Sympathizer” comments, but look. I don’t think we should be Doxxing anyone so that we don’t invite folks to Doxx us....
“Apparently it is okay to Dox those we don’t like here.”
just so we’re clear here: not only is this obviously me speaking personally (which the screenshot illustrates)–and not only is this a position i’ll stand by absolutely–but i think this is also a circumstance where “objecting to doxing” is really silly. many of these people aren’t 4chan edgelords, they’re just aspiring terrorists. Midgard is widely believed to be associated with the Nordic Resistance Movement, which has a long history of criminality, violence, ethnic hatred, killing, and attempted terrorism. NRM in its own right has a wide array of connections with other violent, neo-Nazi organizations like Atomwaffen and the Azov Battalion. the supposedly objectionable article says as much.
In its write-up, AFA Stolkholm says the men who run Midgård are connected to the Nordic Resistance Movement. Founded in 1999, the Nordic Resistance has long been one of Scandinavia’s longest-lasting and most dangerous neo-Nazi organizations. Members have been arrested for a myriad of violent crimes, including assault and murder.
i think it’s pretty understandable to want to publicize the names and addresses of people in the vicinity of or party to an organization like this for a wide variety of reasons, especially if you’re a group they might target! but, and this is another thing that makes this a rather bizarre hill to die on: the article being objected to also didn’t do that. it did not provide a link to any of the information in question, it just reported on it being posted and its significance. this is not “doxing”, this is just journalism about a doxing event. add to this not being posted on Beehaw (i.e., something we’re not even directly responsible for from a moderation perspective), and this seems like a wildly overblown reaction to a pretty banal article reporting on an action that i think is extremely morally and socially defensible.
I think it’s perfectly valid to feel a personal conviction against doxing as tactic to fight neo nazism, without also conflating someone’s ideas on the subject with “what is okay here” and “getting the popcorn”. It feels kinda weird to me and less like an attempt to raise a concern, and more like something else that may not be entirely in good faith. I think reasonable people can disagree on this one without it being a blanket statement about beehaw, or what you are expected to think or feel comfortable/uncomfortable with as a user. It’s perfectly okay to not like what you read or agree with it. But I’m uncomfortable with your implication that this one screenshot means things it doesn’t actually say, in a broad way about beehaw. Unless I’m missing some information, no one has doxxed anyone here. Please don’t try to start popcorn-getting-level conflicts here. I don’t think anybody wants that.
It sounds like the post in question was not on beehaw, and it was later removed. I can understand feeling strongly about that, but no one was actually doxxed on beehaw and regardless of anyone’s opinions on whether or not it’s ok to dox neo nazis, it was made clear that doxxing would still be against beehaw’s rules. It sounds like the moderators were following their policy of not messing with non-beehaw posts, but then did actually go ahead and remove it. So their own philosophy about it didn’t impede moderation decisions. No one said that it was ok to “dox people we don’t like here”, they said that while they personally believed that doxxing people who specifically engage in the violent ideology of neonazism was ok, the post in question was outside beehaw’s usual moderation scope. Later it was clarified that doxxing is against beehaw’s rules, and the federated post was removed anyway. I do think all that nuance is really important, and I do think that, intentionally or not, your post initially made the situation sound like something pretty different than what was actually said or what happened.
I’m so confused. You’re responding to a post that I’m confused about assumptions OP was making about my position and you come in and state something general about the beehaw philosophy (of which I read - and agree).
Are you just trying to call me a bootlicker or something? Looking at this thread I don’t see how I’m being “politely horrible”.
Disclaimer: I like the Fediverse, Lemmy, and the concept of federation, I’ve been here for two years, and I feel grateful towards people working on this platform - devs and admins and mods and everyone else. As such, I hope that what I’m voicing is interpreted as constructive criticism and food for discussion....
I’m just saying that Lemmy is a software not a website or service, it’s a bit unfair to assume that everyone running the Lemmy software will host all of the content from different sites, you don’t see this issue with Reddit because no one else is hosting the Reddit software
It’s something we could improve, but I also think that it’s not right to suggest all content hosted on any Lemmy should be visible on every other Lemmy. I mean the users who enjoy the Beehaw community probably aren’t interested in seeing Hexbear content anyways, so this is actually a good feature for them. Each instance admin should have a target market/demographic that they want to appeal to, so they curate their content to match that for the optimum experience for their users.
Similarly Reddit users probably wouldn’t like it if all 4chan content was mirrored to Reddit.
I feel like this style of leaving closed or abandoned threads like this up is… not great.
The front page is slow enough when it’s just Beehaw that one post like this really kinda sticks out. I feel like as a smaller community it might be better when something like this happens to like, delete the thread after a certain length of time so it doesn’t show up at all.
WINNER BY DECISION: FLAMMULATED OWL 55-55 (I saw that one downvote!) For Flammy to hold out for 24 hours against GHO I feel is the greater challenge, and the last 4 votes had 3 go to Flammy....
Open submissions is definitely doable. That could be used for the seeding as well. I just picked them all to get a good variety of everything out there, so we can use a combo of both next time.
I’m glad you’re having fun here. I feel this place’s purpose is important. I’m a little meh about Lemmy lately, not sure if it’s my feed, but I check in at ALL a lot and most stuff feels like it’s drifted back to all the negative and anger inspiring stuff of politics and tech companies being evil. Most of the time lately I come post and then bail after seeing what is in Top. I used to hang more in Beehaw for that reason, but there’s hardly any local posts there anymore, so I rarely log in over there either. I just want to be upset if something positive, so as long as you guys are having fun and being cool with each other, I’ll keep posting for you!
Not exactly. If no one on your instance has subscribed to the community, Lemmy fails to forward you to the community and returns 404. So the Lemmy way of making sure others can get to the community is to provide the URL. Lemmy has a lot of poor design in this way. It will be replaced with something better next year. Also, as a beehaw user you should be familiar broken ! links to communities that are not federated.
An easily accessible list of communities with links and inputted descriptions from the op poster. edit: changed gaming community from beehaw to Lemmy.ml hopefully it’ll be more easilly accessible...
I’ve just set up a new personal instance (this account is on it) but I’m apparently not able to subscribe to beehaw communities. When I click the subscribe button all I get is “Subscription Pending” no matter how much I refresh the page....
Beehaw is not forking Lemmy. It's just leaving Lemmy for their own webpage, a forum or something like that. I really appreciate the idea of forking Lemmy, but nobody seems to think about that.
So this is a bit of a meta-question. I was going to post a question about tech (for context I am looking for a tablet/iPad to read journal papers) so I headed to the technology community. But all the posts are news articles and the description is along the lines of ‘post happenings and innovations in tech…’ so I chickened...
I still use reddit when I need to ask some obscure question about some topic that isn’t well represented on Lemmy yet. I don’t browse or lurk anymore though. (Kind of like how some people just use Facebook for communication and not for the newsfeed.)
Check out beehaw if you’re worried about missing news. That lemmy instance has way less shitposting and seems to have healthy discussion.
Between the mixed feeds on Lemmy.world, lemmy.ml, and beehaw I haven’t missed any big things that I’m aware of. I have other friends on discord and irl and if they talk about a big news story it’s never something I missed.
I don’t really want a definition of what the fediverse should be or was initially envisioned to be. I just want to understand how people actually use it. I started wondering because I felt the talks about its current state and growth stumble in invisible misunderstandings about the basic nature of what we are using or how we...
In this post I am speaking as a Beehaw fanatic and not as an admin. That is why it is placed in the chat community. To be clear, I am not speaking on behalf of the Beehaw admin team nor the community as a whole....
Just a few days ago, I posted that I’d leave Lemmy, if Beehaw leaves. Since then, I got temp-banned on lemmy.ml for calling fascists fascists, decided that it was the proverbial straw, deleted my instance after 4 months, my backup account, and created a new account on Beehaw that is not subscribing to anything federated, but only local communities. I used Lemmy not because I thought it was amazing, but because I simply hated spez more. But the quality of discourse was low.
A lot of words to say, I’ll follow Beehaw to whatever software is used, as I treat it like just another small discussion site like tildes or HN anyway.
I know of someone making a replacement for the core of Lemmy with a focus on good architecture for administration and moderation tools. It’ll have a compatible API so the apps and front-end doesn’t have to change to use the new core. He says he’s more that 1/3 through to something that can be released in alpha. I’ll keep you and the Beehaw crowd in the loop for when the alpha release is ready.
I know these aren’t the best photos, I’m no photographer, I’m just using my phone, and they didn’t bring any of the animals out, so they’re all being either 2 or 4 layers of protection. I hope you still enjoy them....
Glad you liked our bald headed bird friends! Yeah, they look a little different, but they are designed for a very important job! Everything about them is made for sanitation.
I’m glad you like my goofy titles. I’m trying to learn what gets the clicks without coming off too dorky or dumb.
I used to be more active on Beehaw and it was my favorite instance, but I feel their local post count has really fallen off, and what is that is angry politics stuff I can get anywhere. I did crosspost a the thing about Canada only having 1 spotted owl left since I felt that was something everyone should know, and I search some other instances that aren’t federated with World to see if anyone mentions they miss r/Superbowl and I stear them here and I politely spam threads when I can make it part of the conversation without being annoying. Maybe I’ll toss the vultures up on some other subs this weekend to get them some love when the most eyes will be on them and do a little cross promoting while I’m at it 😉
Thank you for the support, and I really appreciate hearing from all of you. I’m a person, not some owl spam bot, so I like hearing I’m helping you have a better day than if I wasn’t posting.
I ‘upvote’ more or less all posts I interact with (sometimes I forget to vote). I feel like we should bring back open dialogues and heavily dissuade people from simply disregarding someone’s entire belief system or ideals based on 200 characters of text (an example)....
Having experienced platforms with just upvotes, and platforms with up/downvotes, I really think downvotes are bad - for me at least.
I think it encourages laziness - much easier to just downvote someone than actually critique them. It also makes me hesitate to post something mildly controversial or against the grain through fear of being penalised. I’m speaking for myself here - I’m guilty of both of those things.
That’s one of the reasons I’m on Beehaw, because Beehaw doesn’t federate downvotes I can neither see them nor give them - and it just feels like a much nicer Lemmy experience - and I feel like it makes me automatically nicer to people as well.
(n.b. You can hide downvotes in settings on any instance, but you can still see them by hovering over the score and it still affects comment ranking - unless you’re on Beehaw or something else that does similar)
Basically the title. I’ve been thinking of checking out Mastodon, and I’d like to get opinions on which instances are great. I’m mostly just looking for something like Beehaw. That is to say, a chill and friendly place that’s at least decently active....
As I said in the OG thread, I will stick with beehaw, but I’d also keep an eye on the fediverse with an alt. I would also support an eventual return to federation when/if some of the issues have been sorted.
For those who support the proposed move, this isn’t about mere technical issues. It’s about safety - it’s very easy right now for a bad actor to cause a lot of damage the way things are set up. The reasons things are as good as they are here is the tireless work of the admins and mods and they if they say enough is enough I believe them.
While I think something like the fediverse is where the internet is going, Lemmy on activity pub may or may not be the way. Well just have to see. I’m not gonna leave a positive community in favour of a certain tech, that’s backwards.
[Long post] Do more or fewer communities lead to increased engagement?
As I watch The Internet look like it’s starting to adopt a new phase (let’s call it federation writ large), I’m watching for signs of both success and struggle. I have some strong opinions of features and functionality lacking in the current suite of UIs that might help adoption, but thing I’ve been thinking about more...
Is Beehaw federating with Threads?
I’m out of the loop. Are we federating with Threads or not?...
I'm concerned that the continued existence of a certain post is normalizing Doxxing "people we don't like", and that's not okay.
Totally expect to see a sea of “Nazi Sympathizer” comments, but look. I don’t think we should be Doxxing anyone so that we don’t invite folks to Doxx us....
[Discussion] Reddit-like aspects of Lemmy that make no sense in a federation.
Disclaimer: I like the Fediverse, Lemmy, and the concept of federation, I’ve been here for two years, and I feel grateful towards people working on this platform - devs and admins and mods and everyone else. As such, I hope that what I’m voicing is interpreted as constructive criticism and food for discussion....
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Owl of the Year Match 15 - Flammulated Owl vs Great Horned Owl
WINNER BY DECISION: FLAMMULATED OWL 55-55 (I saw that one downvote!) For Flammy to hold out for 24 hours against GHO I feel is the greater challenge, and the last 4 votes had 3 go to Flammy....
Discord community recommendations?
Anyone recommend any good discord servers for chat/gaming?...
Google removes app that helps people boycott pro-Israel companies (www.newsweek.com)
I was contacted by a recruiter, but I can't find anything on the company.
Preamble: I’m sure there’s a better community to ask this question, comment below if you’re aware of it....
My list of communities any user might consider, sorted in categories
An easily accessible list of communities with links and inputted descriptions from the op poster. edit: changed gaming community from beehaw to Lemmy.ml hopefully it’ll be more easilly accessible...
New instance: issues subscribing to beehaw communities
I’ve just set up a new personal instance (this account is on it) but I’m apparently not able to subscribe to beehaw communities. When I click the subscribe button all I get is “Subscription Pending” no matter how much I refresh the page....
Lead Lemmy Developer, Dessalines, denying the Tiananmen Square Massacre and praising the Uyghur Genocide (sh.itjust.works)
Q and A on Beehaw - what's the vibe?
So this is a bit of a meta-question. I was going to post a question about tech (for context I am looking for a tablet/iPad to read journal papers) so I headed to the technology community. But all the posts are news articles and the description is along the lines of ‘post happenings and innovations in tech…’ so I chickened...
Question to the ones that fully left Reddit
How has it been for you? Do you get FOMO feeling sometimes?...
How do you understand federation?
I don’t really want a definition of what the fediverse should be or was initially envisioned to be. I just want to understand how people actually use it. I started wondering because I felt the talks about its current state and growth stumble in invisible misunderstandings about the basic nature of what we are using or how we...
Where will we all be(e) next year?
In this post I am speaking as a Beehaw fanatic and not as an admin. That is why it is placed in the chat community. To be clear, I am not speaking on behalf of the Beehaw admin team nor the community as a whole....
Photos from Schuylkill Valley Park (extra long post, the info should make up for the meh pics, so don't skip!) (lemmy.world)
I know these aren’t the best photos, I’m no photographer, I’m just using my phone, and they didn’t bring any of the animals out, so they’re all being either 2 or 4 layers of protection. I hope you still enjoy them....
Do you think the Internet and websites with 'voting' systems encourage hivemind thinking and discourage any debate or discourse? Solutions?
I ‘upvote’ more or less all posts I interact with (sometimes I forget to vote). I feel like we should bring back open dialogues and heavily dissuade people from simply disregarding someone’s entire belief system or ideals based on 200 characters of text (an example)....
Mastodon Users: What Instance(s) Do You Like Best?
Basically the title. I’ve been thinking of checking out Mastodon, and I’d like to get opinions on which instances are great. I’m mostly just looking for something like Beehaw. That is to say, a chill and friendly place that’s at least decently active....
What is the current thinking about what platform Beehaw should be on? Stick with Lemmy or try something else?