Putin still enjoys widespread public support, and the vast majority of the Russian public supports both the explicit goals of the war as well as the implicit ones. This is a problem bigger than Putin, bigger than the oligarchs, and bigger than the current regime.
Putin still enjoys widespread public support, and the vast majority of the Russian public supports both the explicit goals of the war as well as the implicit ones
Sources?
Every Russian I’ve interacted with has expressed their distate for Putin.
This is a problem bigger than Putin, bigger than the oligarchs, and bigger than the current regime.
So could you explicitly point to what the problem is? Bc it seems to me that the oligarchs and Putin have been doing their best to brainwash and ensure that they remain in power, to the detriment of the Russian people.
Every Russian I’ve interacted with has expressed their distate for Putin.
The ones you have interacted with online or in other countries are going to be less likely to support due to their age, education, and socio-economic status. Classic confirmation bias.
So could you explicitly point to what the problem is?
Explicitly? There is no simple answer. There has been brainwashing, no doubt. But look at Russian history. This isn't an anomaly. Culturally they appear to favor authoritarianism, nationalism, and strong man mentality in their politics.
The simple solution is education and multiculturalism. But that answer isn't really simple.
Culturally they appear to favor authoritarianism, nationalism, and strong man mentality in their politics.
Yeah, while I understand that there is an element of that that’s uniquely Russian, I mean that was also much of the world for much of history.
But like you said, no easy answer.
And yeah obviously the people I interact with outside of Russia will give a different perspective. I just always got the vibe from them that a large portion of the population resented Putin, but apparently that’s less of a vibe than I thought.
This is all heresay but there were a few reporters over in Russia just asking random people in the street what they thought about the “Special Operation”; most of them answered that it was good that the Nazis were killed and that Ukraine should be brought back into the Motherland. Propaganda is one HELL of a drug.
Most of the Russians I have talked too over the past year also dislike the War and what Russians are doing there. But mind you these are people that no longer live IN Russia or people who left BECAUSE of the war. So there is that
Lavrov brought up the accusations of mass executions in the Ukrainian city Bucha, largely considered to have been the result of war crimes by Russian forces, and said Russia had asked to receive a list of the last names of those shown in pictures throughout the world in an attempt to discredit the accusations.
He called it “something quite simple” to be provided with, adding that there has been no proof provided that Russia has been involved.
“All the children that ended up in Russia unaccompanied by guardians, that list is openly available, unlike the names of the bodies in Bucha,” Lavrov said, adding, “If those families are found, we will assist in reunification.”
Lavrov claimed that “the vast majority” of children taken to Russia were living in orphanages, failing to address how that makes a difference in their being taken.
“When the special military operation began, of course we took them to safety. But we never tried to conceal the names of these children, which we took out of the country,” Lavrov claimed.
“We continue to invite these parents, if they are out there, to come and collect their children. You can come and travel to these children yourselves.”
Dronies wanting children to die in a warzone rather than be moved to safety.
Dronies cry about Bucha which has been debunked, yet are silent on the bombardment of the Donbass that is proven.
Maybe if Ukraine didn’t use human wave tactics or accepted the peace deal after Bucha (Russia withdrew from Bucha as part of peace negotiations before the mass executions even took place, while there is multiple first hand source video evidence of Ukranian military shooting anyone they suspected of being Russian, a collaborator, or refusing to be conscripted) there wouldn’t be so many orphans left to die by NATO
So explain to me how Russia is dumb for successfully taking and holding, Crimea and the Donbass?
Are they dumb for reacting to a line they have drawn multiple times? Are they dumb for preventing Ukranian nazis from bombarding anyone suspected of being Russian for years?
Canada is now applauding Nazis while Russia burned them alive under Mariupol, are they dumb for doing that?
Is any other country that has created a warzone for geopolitical reasons, “dumb”? I would say any country that is a warmonger is evil, thankfully the country that pays me to post is peaceful.
In addition, they have successfully decoupled their economy from the west while the European industrial complex has weakened to the point they are now serfs to the Great Satan.
So they have no shame to admit they have committed war crimes. And as a parent I would be sceptical if I am safe collecting the children.
There is also many complications when citizens of a country they are at war with enter the other country. The most reasonable thing to do would be to bring the kids near the border where they would be collected by officials or an organization which makes sure the kids find a safe way home.
And as a parent I would be sceptical if I am safe collecting the children.
Parents will do almost anything in order to be able to be with their children again, no matter how unsafe. That’s one of the reasons this is so messed up.
At what point do we start to discuss how evil the Russian regime is? I mean, this is feeling like we are approaching the lines in the sand that we drew after WWII, if we haven't already blown past them.
I have no desire to lose more lives, but this is evil. How can any country support Russia in this?
USA GOP supports them because Russia is the desired end-state MAGA retards wish to replicate: white Christofacist conservative homogenous country where minorities are subordinate and women and progressives keep their heads down and STFU.
Hey families, come on over to our um… kids camp… and while you’re here, can you help us inspect our walk-in ovens? Does is smell like a gas leak in there?
Conservatives are addicted to committing genocide. Every policy conservatives hold and every law they pass (no matter what country) is designed to inch closer to genocide. Every time.
Conservatism is a plague that is overdue for a painful cure.
That is exactly what makes this ‘invite’ from Lavrov so fucking insidious.
Because it makes it look like you don’t care about your children if you don’t. It’s a yet another weapon deployed by a side that are constantly firing all kinds of weapons.
Not so much looking like a bad parent. Maybe feeling like bad parent. I mean, I don’t know that I could pass it up, if there was even a tiny chance to get them back. The guilt of not going would probably drive me to dark places.
It’s not about you, it’s about the image. In a month they’ll be screaming “see! Ukrainians don’t want their kids back! Ukraine bad!!!”. They’ll silently lock up anyone who actually goes and try to spin it to their advantage.
But there is no chance. Lavrov has done nothing but talk complete and utter shit from day one. It’s his job as Putin’s lap dog. To create sound bites that Russian supporters can latch on to.
He knows he’s talking pure shit, everyone with an actual brain knows he is. He doesn’t care that the world laughs at him when he moves his mouth. Because that’s not who he’s speaking to.
He’s speaking to the Tucker Carlson/Fox News/GB News/other nation’s equivalent type troglodytes who think that Russia are doing the right thing and blah blah blah.
It’s all propaganda.
Imagine if Goebbels told you, as a Jew that if you wanted your kids back all you had to do was travel to Berlin. Pinky promise! Of course you wouldn’t even give it a second to consider. You would know it was complete bullshit.
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