dantheclamman,
@dantheclamman@lemmy.world avatar

I wish they’d add a tablet UI. Doesn’t seem to be prioritized whatsoever. Pre-Fenix they had it and have been patiently waiting for tabs to return on large screens ever since, but have lost hope.

MagneticFusion,

Yet people will still use Chrome/Chromium based browsers

MapTheft,

I’m trying to make the switch over to FF, but Vivaldi just has so many features I find useful.

MagneticFusion,

Are they more helpful than extensions though? I love Vivaldi but their adblocker is so weak that it can’t block youtube ads, I may be wrong on that but thats how it was last time I checked. There are also redirect extensions on Firefox to take you to privacy friendly frontends for popular websites. Dark reader extension also makes the browsing experience better.

Edit, I forgot the best of them all. Firefox Multiaccount Containers

MapTheft,

The web panel is the feature I’m missing the most currently. I’ve tried, without success, to replicate the tab bar to the bottom of the window too.

ch1cken,

I mean.. it already does support desktop addons so I'm not exactly sure what's new here. It looks like this just fixes android killing background processes due to battery saving, but you can always just disable battery optimisation for firefox, or put it in "never sleeping apps", though granted even without doing this i've never experienced problems.

Steuls,

It supported them in the Nightly release. This is for the main release

eeltech, (edited )

And yet they’ve turned their back on *Android tablet users and refuse to support the tab bar.

github.com/mozilla-mobile/fenix/issues/2344

Ridiculous. Only reason I switched to Vivaldi

CifrareVerba,
@CifrareVerba@lemmy.world avatar

Which is odd considering it’s been a “first class citizen” on iPadOS by supporting features: lowyat.net/…/the-new-firefox-for-ipad-now-support…

Vivaldi is great though, I hope you’ve enjoyed it thus far!

Goodtoknow,
@Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca avatar

iOS/iPad OS is relatively much easier to develop and it’s a completely different branch from Android as it’s a skin on top of Safari Web View. All other platform use their own Quantum/Gecko Engine.

CifrareVerba,
@CifrareVerba@lemmy.world avatar

Right, however, a basic tablet UI which Firefox previously had and many browsers have shouldn’t be hard for Mozilla to implement on Android.

Android has scaling so a tablet UI should look normal on most devices.

sir_reginald,
@sir_reginald@lemmy.world avatar

if you want to get things done, use a real OS and not an artificially limited mobile OS.

Siliconic,

About time. I’m tempted to switch back to Mull from Bromite, but I’m worried about the security of Firefox compared to Chromium (that’s why I switched in the first place), I’ve heard that particularly Mobile Firefox has awful sandboxing and bad security, I’m pretty sure it was the GrapheneOS team saying this? I’m no security expert though…

randint,

Yes it was the GrapheneOS team who said that. See the paragraph just above https://grapheneos.org/usage#camera. I literally just skimmed their guides and saw this yesterday while considering getting a Pixel.

z3rOR0ne, (edited )
@z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml avatar

I use Mull and Vanadium on Graphene OS, and the experience on Vanadium is just okay by comparison. It is true that not having extensions does decrease the attack surface, and Vanadium does have a built in ad blocker, but it simply isn’t as all encompassing as ublock’s list.

I use Mull mainly but don’t log into anything with it, and have noscript extension on by default.

I also turn off JS by default in Vanadium. Both browsers have ways of making exceptions for certain sites in this case, but NoScript has more granular control.

I remember reading on reddit a convo that basically the GrapheneOS team was much more concerned with security than privacy. This isn’t to say they don’t care about privacy at all, just that they will always prioritize security first.

This makes sense considering their decision to only officially support the Pixel line of devices. You still are supporting Google by giving them your money (and a bit of your data in the process of purchase). Additionally, the decision to default to using the Google Play Store and sandbox the apps, rather than use the Aurora Store, also points to these underlying values.

randint,

Yeah, I can tell this just from skimming their FAQ and Usage Guides. When they talk about the applications they offer, they always sell it as the most secure thing ever. I still personally care more about privacy than security though.

JuvenoiaAgent,
@JuvenoiaAgent@lemmy.ca avatar

Posted this above, but it might interest you as an alternative to Vanadium:

Bromite hasn’t been updated in a while, so you should at least switch to Cromite if you’re not switching to Mull. It’s a fork by a previous Bromite contributor and includes some improvements, like a bottom toolbar and adblock plus (so normal block lists, not Bromite’s less customizable ad blocker.

z3rOR0ne,
@z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml avatar

Is Vanadium just Bromite under the hood? I thought they were separate projects…

JuvenoiaAgent,
@JuvenoiaAgent@lemmy.ca avatar

They’re different, but according to its readme, Cromite includes “security enhancement patches from GrapheneOS project”, so I assume it contains Vanadium’s changes as well as other improvements.

z3rOR0ne,
@z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml avatar

Thanks for the clarification! I’ll investigate.

JuvenoiaAgent,
@JuvenoiaAgent@lemmy.ca avatar

Bromite hasn’t been updated in a while, so you should at least switch to Cromite if you’re not switching to Mull. It’s a fork by a previous Bromite contributor and includes some improvements, like a bottom toolbar and adblock plus (so normal block lists, not Bromite’s less customizable ad blocker.

Siliconic,

Thanks, I hadn’t noticed it wasn’t updating

pornhubfan,

There’s a good comparison here.

CifrareVerba,
@CifrareVerba@lemmy.world avatar

I wish Mozilla listened to its users like it used to.

Vivaldi has been great on Android, desktop and iOS/iPadOS and even keeps the customization built in that Firefox used to have.

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime,

Vivaldi would be kind of cool if not for the chromium thing being a huge downer… but I gotta say, their featureset is slightly weird.

Firefox on android though? Is great.

CifrareVerba,
@CifrareVerba@lemmy.world avatar

I know it’s a big issue for many given the bad news and crap Google does, but Mozilla is actively taking away features from Gecko whereas Vivaldi, Microsoft, Google and Samsung are improving chromium. I find it hard to make Firefox behave how I want it to when browsers like Vivaldi or even Edge make it easy.

I know a common sentiment I hear (at least on Reddit) is “Why didn’t so and so’s browser use Gecko?” but when a company or person does, a lot of /r/Firefox and /r/Linux users will get upset that they are forking Firefox instead of adding to Firefox/Gecko.

danielton,
@danielton@lemmy.world avatar

Remember when different browsers used to have different rendering engines?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

CifrareVerba,
@CifrareVerba@lemmy.world avatar

For sure. Chromium, Gecko, WebKit, Trident, Presto… I also remember people then telling users to ditch other browsers… and the same people who said it 10-15 years ago are now the same people who are worried about the duopoly (WebKit and Blink) and lack of Gecko and browser/rendering engine innovation(s).

xantiv,

Any reason to switch from Fennec?

thecam,
@thecam@lemmy.world avatar

Wont Feddec support mobile extensions in the future?

viking,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

Fennec supports add-ons since forever ago. I’ve been using it for 3+ years with a full set of my desktop add-ons installed.

viking,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

Don’t think so. Fennec has been doing a great job all through, I’ll stick to it unless there’s any breaking issue in the future.

rob_t_firefly,
@rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world avatar

That’s nice, maybe they can finally re-enable about:config in the damn thing too. They removed it from mobile Firefox years ago and the lack of it aggravates the hell out of me.

SneakyThunder,

It’s available in nightly (and I think dev) builds

notasandwich1948,

probably in normal Firefox too, it’s just hidden in all of them

ChaoticNeutralCzech,

If you don’t want to use the potentially unstable Nightly, Dev or Beta, you can use Fennec (stable builds with dev features).

viking,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

Fennec still supports it, just as it supports add-ons from the official Mozilla store. Don’t see any reason why I should go back to the official app.

balance_sheet,

Fennec is awesome. I’m never going back to anything else.

viking,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

Yup. Unless they break anything, which I can’t really imagine at this point.

kubj31196,

Is there an easy way to migrate from the official app to Fennec? Keeping accounts, extensions and settings?

viking,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

If you have enabled the sync feature in Firefox, it seamlessly works with Fennec; as does the integration between Fennec and Firefox Desktop. Simply log on with your Firefox account in Fennec, and you won’t even feel the difference.

kenbw2,

How do I make use of this? I can’t see a way to install them on my Fennec from F Droid

limerod,

You have to add a custom addons collection. That’s how.

lord_ryvan,

I haven’t gotten around making them and using them, and it seems every guide online is vastly out of date

thecam,
@thecam@lemmy.world avatar

Now Brave needs to do the same and also create its own extension store

Ubermeisters,

Brave is a ticking clock counting down. They can continue putting off some of the chromium updates that Google is pushing but eventually they are going to go the way of the rest of the chromium forks.

flop_leash_973, (edited )

I’ll be impressed when they actually allow for the installation of extensions from places other than their addon store like I can on the desktop version. Maybe in another 5 years, if Mozilla lasts that long.

cpressland,
@cpressland@celeb.pizza avatar

I would kill for this on iOS. Don’t get me wrong, I’m pretty happy with my Safari Extensions, but I’d rather have uBlock Origin, Stylish etc.

SpezCanLigmaBalls,
@SpezCanLigmaBalls@lemmy.world avatar

I use Firefox and on my android tablet but I dont on my iphone since apple doesn’t allow extensions on third party browsers. Its so annoying

brlemworld,

This is awesome!

Colorcodedresistor,

Holy Fuck. Call me Ramsay, Finally some delicious fucking tech. the separation gap between mobile and pc has been going on for far too long. anything to help merge the pair. yes. all the yes.

Slopz,

Lol what? I remember using Kiwi browser like 7 years ago and it had extension support…

Clusterfck,

So did Dolphin…

NatoBoram,

So did Firefox, oddly enough

MakeItCount,

Wow I haven’t seen this name for a long time

ilmagico,

I use kiwi browser now. It’s still there and getting updates.

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